Black Boy King
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jono;6109392 said:
Where is the nation of the AfricanAmericans/Blacks?
Where is the nation of the AfricanAmericans/Blacks?
Black Boy King
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jono;6111584 said:
??? Our land is being occupied by a government de facto. If you are in the US, you are actually standing on alMorroco
The US as we know it today is the corporation, not the land. This isnt their land, you already knoe that. They are Europeans
Black Boy King
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This link to the Treaty should be enlightening.
Treaty with Morocco June 28 and July 15, 1786
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp
Treaty with Morocco June 28 and July 15, 1786
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp
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Black Boy King
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Black Boy King
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http://books.google.com/books?id=r9lBAAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
We're the ancient Berbers...
We're the ancient Berbers...
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Black Boy King
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janklow;6112626 said:
I'm sorry that you think the mission of Drew Ali's Moorish Divine and National Movement is a "sovereign citizen scam". Nationality does not cost any money. It's yours. It's YOU. All it requires is that you know thy self (just as they wrote on the walls in the Egyptian Mystery Schools) and continue to study and learn about civics and economics so that we ("Blacks") can once again be major players in international politics (much less, legitimate players in AMERICAN politics). Your Negro leaders are not and cannot do anything for you except fight the emotional endless argument of "prejudice"/"racism". NAACP, CP meaning Colored People, Color under in BLACK"S LAW DICTIONARY means something ARTIFICIAL, FRAUD, MAKE-BELIEVE.
Law Dictionary: definition of COLOR (Black's Law Dictionary Online (THOUGH ONLINE SOURCES NEVER GIVE ALL THE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT A 3RD OR 4TH EDITION OF BLACK'S LAW DICTIONARY. START READING, NIGGERS)http://thelawdictionary.org/color/#ixzz2aoZl7Z7i
If you have any facts to refute any of the evidence I've presented regarding us being considered Moors (
What facts?
1) there is nothing that ties you to an 18th century Moroccan king
2) there is nothin that proves any claim you are suggesting
3) Moor is an ethnic group not a nationality and as such there is no Moor "nation" and if there were you can't tie yourself to it
4) Noble Drew Ali has you cats brainwashed. Those documents don't mean a damn thing lol. You think a treaty with the king of Morocco from the 1700s mean you are a "sovereign citizen"? So your a citizen of what country then?
5) your are more likely less Moorish than I am Japanese. You can't and I mean can not join an ethnic group! Do you speak the language? Know the culture? Know the customs? Can you trace your family there?
Most likely the answer to all those questions is NO.
6) it's illogical to even claim to be a Moor. That's like me saying I'm Yoruba just because someone can't prove I'm not.
7) unless you are actually African or the direct descendant of an African you don't know where in Africa you are from and when you got here. So that means you don't know when you crossed the ocean. May have been before your "documents" may have been after.
8) The moors conquering west Africa is the only tie to a possible link between Moors/Berbers (of North Africa) and those people's on the west coast where we are most likely from
9) if I wanted to claim to be a Native American I would have to prove it, not just sign up. This ain't the Mickey Mouse club or the AV club in high school, you can't just sign up and claim benefits.
10) you just another Afrocentric huckster claiming any ethnic group you can. Time and time again people like you pop up with ideas of being part or parcel to any African kingdom. Yours is just Moor, there are those claiming Egypt, Ethiopia etc and just about none of you cats have any damn proof.
That's the sad thing to me. As I actually feel the same as you do, we have heritage, languages, and all that but it's been lost. All we can do is learn about them and hope science can start tying us to particular countries and groups.
Africa is a continent of 54 nations and has existed for thousands of years. Hundreds of kings and kingdoms, incredible structures and beautiful people. Who wouldn't want to identify with that? But that doesn't mean we can just hijack other people's ethnicity as our own for some selfish purpose.
We could be Ahsante, Moorish, Yoruba or any other group from any part of the continent but proof of who YOU are is necessary. Someone else can't tell you to just sign up because you are this.
1) there is nothing that ties you to an 18th century Moroccan king
2) there is nothin that proves any claim you are suggesting
3) Moor is an ethnic group not a nationality and as such there is no Moor "nation" and if there were you can't tie yourself to it
4) Noble Drew Ali has you cats brainwashed. Those documents don't mean a damn thing lol. You think a treaty with the king of Morocco from the 1700s mean you are a "sovereign citizen"? So your a citizen of what country then?
5) your are more likely less Moorish than I am Japanese. You can't and I mean can not join an ethnic group! Do you speak the language? Know the culture? Know the customs? Can you trace your family there?
Most likely the answer to all those questions is NO.
6) it's illogical to even claim to be a Moor. That's like me saying I'm Yoruba just because someone can't prove I'm not.
7) unless you are actually African or the direct descendant of an African you don't know where in Africa you are from and when you got here. So that means you don't know when you crossed the ocean. May have been before your "documents" may have been after.
8) The moors conquering west Africa is the only tie to a possible link between Moors/Berbers (of North Africa) and those people's on the west coast where we are most likely from
9) if I wanted to claim to be a Native American I would have to prove it, not just sign up. This ain't the Mickey Mouse club or the AV club in high school, you can't just sign up and claim benefits.
10) you just another Afrocentric huckster claiming any ethnic group you can. Time and time again people like you pop up with ideas of being part or parcel to any African kingdom. Yours is just Moor, there are those claiming Egypt, Ethiopia etc and just about none of you cats have any damn proof.
That's the sad thing to me. As I actually feel the same as you do, we have heritage, languages, and all that but it's been lost. All we can do is learn about them and hope science can start tying us to particular countries and groups.
Africa is a continent of 54 nations and has existed for thousands of years. Hundreds of kings and kingdoms, incredible structures and beautiful people. Who wouldn't want to identify with that? But that doesn't mean we can just hijack other people's ethnicity as our own for some selfish purpose.
We could be Ahsante, Moorish, Yoruba or any other group from any part of the continent but proof of who YOU are is necessary. Someone else can't tell you to just sign up because you are this.
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Cookies and Cream makes for good ice cream.
http://moroccoonthemove.wordpress.c...ding-treaty-of-peace-friendship-with-morocco/
Morocco-US ‘Treaty of Peace & Friendship’│Congress ratifies 1787
Moroccan American Cultural Center/MACC (Washington, DC, July 18, 2012) — Today marks the 225th anniversary of the US Senate’s 1787 vote to ratify what is now the longest standing treaty in America’s history — the US-Morocco “Treaty of Peace and Friendship.” More than two centuries later, the treaty continues to define the special and strategic relationship between two of the oldest and closest allies across the Atlantic.
Formal relations between Morocco and the US began in 1777, when Morocco became the first country to recognize the American colonies as a nation. As George Washington and his troops took the field to make good on the Continental Congress’ Declaration of Independence, the Sultan of Morocco, Mohammed III, granted American ships recognition and safe passage through the Straits of Gibraltar and in Moroccan ports.
Morocco-US ‘Treaty of Peace & Friendship’│Congress ratifies 1787
Moroccan American Cultural Center/MACC (Washington, DC, July 18, 2012) — Today marks the 225th anniversary of the US Senate’s 1787 vote to ratify what is now the longest standing treaty in America’s history — the US-Morocco “Treaty of Peace and Friendship.” More than two centuries later, the treaty continues to define the special and strategic relationship between two of the oldest and closest allies across the Atlantic.
Formal relations between Morocco and the US began in 1777, when Morocco became the first country to recognize the American colonies as a nation. As George Washington and his troops took the field to make good on the Continental Congress’ Declaration of Independence, the Sultan of Morocco, Mohammed III, granted American ships recognition and safe passage through the Straits of Gibraltar and in Moroccan ports.
Black Boy King
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1 by 1... Thanks for the love, famo. Peace.
Yes, there is. The Europeans view "blacks" as Moors. If you look up the word "blackamoor" in the dictionary, they still do.
Europeans run this country currently. The Treaty of Morroco has direct ties to the US Constitution, and the US knew that. That is why George Washington (the appointed chief commander) notified the Sultan of Morroco in the letter I posted above. The Moors helped write the Constitution! Some of the Presidents had Moorish blood! Thomas Jefferson was a Moor (considered "tawny Moor")! Abe Lincoln had Moorish blood!
I have made various claims and have provided various pieces of evidence, please be more specific so that I can respond and (re)post the evidence you need.
I apologize, let me clear that up. Moorish is a nationality. You can tie yourself to it by looking at your family's history. If you know your ancestors are from America (North, Central or South) or Africa, then you are considered a Moor. They know this. Proof of them knowing this can be found in many places. One example I have posted is the Negro Law of South Carolina.
This is misleading if you chose to skip through the information I posted. Here is the definition of "Moor" in the dictionary. It includes MOORS as free inhabitants (as well as Egyptains, etc), because that is their PROPER name. Forget nationality for a minute, PROPER name. They only saw the world from their perspective so to them Africa was:
Moor [moor] Show IPA
noun
1. a Muslim of the mixed Berber and Arab people inhabiting NW Africa.
That is in today's society. The ancient Berbers/Moabites were black. South Carolina law clearly says that. It is the Negroes fault for not realizing that he is the father of these present-day North Africans aka mixed Berber and Arab people aka MOORS.
How can the son be something the father is not? The son would not exist without the father.
And America has you thinking you're Black/African American/Negro, or whatever you call yourself. What's worse? A legitimate name recognized in the English language as proper, or a name that was used (and is used) to signify chattel property?
I did not state the bolded. I said if you claim your Moorish nationality then you are sovereign. The Treaty is to allow the US to operate on their land for fifty years. Proof? *sigh* I'll repost the link to the Treaty:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp
Then, look at George Washington's letter to the Sultan of Morocco IN RESPONSE to the Treaty I posted in the last page. I will only repost pertinent excerpts here:
Moors were present when the Constitution was written, this is why it was important for them to notify the Sultan of Morocco of the government change and ensure that it went along with the Constitution (the Supreme Law):
"The United States of America have thought proper to change their government and institute a new one, agreeable to the Constitution, of which I have the honor, herewith, to enclose a copy."
Again, the full letter is on the previous page. Please stop questioning my ability to provide sources for my claims.
We're talking about nationality here. If one is to join the Moorish Divine and National Movement, it is expected that they abide by Moorish law and code of conduct which is, by way of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, Islamic law. This can be found in the Circle 7 Koran (posted by @bambu in this forum) and various other documents that SHOULD be located in a LEGITIMATE temple run by TRUE MOORS and not COINTELPRO operators getting paid off.
jono;6113176 said:
Yes, there is. The Europeans view "blacks" as Moors. If you look up the word "blackamoor" in the dictionary, they still do.
Europeans run this country currently. The Treaty of Morroco has direct ties to the US Constitution, and the US knew that. That is why George Washington (the appointed chief commander) notified the Sultan of Morroco in the letter I posted above. The Moors helped write the Constitution! Some of the Presidents had Moorish blood! Thomas Jefferson was a Moor (considered "tawny Moor")! Abe Lincoln had Moorish blood!
I have made various claims and have provided various pieces of evidence, please be more specific so that I can respond and (re)post the evidence you need.
I apologize, let me clear that up. Moorish is a nationality. You can tie yourself to it by looking at your family's history. If you know your ancestors are from America (North, Central or South) or Africa, then you are considered a Moor. They know this. Proof of them knowing this can be found in many places. One example I have posted is the Negro Law of South Carolina.
This is misleading if you chose to skip through the information I posted. Here is the definition of "Moor" in the dictionary. It includes MOORS as free inhabitants (as well as Egyptains, etc), because that is their PROPER name. Forget nationality for a minute, PROPER name. They only saw the world from their perspective so to them Africa was:
Moor [moor] Show IPA
noun
1. a Muslim of the mixed Berber and Arab people inhabiting NW Africa.
That is in today's society. The ancient Berbers/Moabites were black. South Carolina law clearly says that. It is the Negroes fault for not realizing that he is the father of these present-day North Africans aka mixed Berber and Arab people aka MOORS.
How can the son be something the father is not? The son would not exist without the father.
And America has you thinking you're Black/African American/Negro, or whatever you call yourself. What's worse? A legitimate name recognized in the English language as proper, or a name that was used (and is used) to signify chattel property?
I did not state the bolded. I said if you claim your Moorish nationality then you are sovereign. The Treaty is to allow the US to operate on their land for fifty years. Proof? *sigh* I'll repost the link to the Treaty:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1786t.asp
Then, look at George Washington's letter to the Sultan of Morocco IN RESPONSE to the Treaty I posted in the last page. I will only repost pertinent excerpts here:
Moors were present when the Constitution was written, this is why it was important for them to notify the Sultan of Morocco of the government change and ensure that it went along with the Constitution (the Supreme Law):
"The United States of America have thought proper to change their government and institute a new one, agreeable to the Constitution, of which I have the honor, herewith, to enclose a copy."
Again, the full letter is on the previous page. Please stop questioning my ability to provide sources for my claims.
We're talking about nationality here. If one is to join the Moorish Divine and National Movement, it is expected that they abide by Moorish law and code of conduct which is, by way of Prophet Noble Drew Ali, Islamic law. This can be found in the Circle 7 Koran (posted by @bambu in this forum) and various other documents that SHOULD be located in a LEGITIMATE temple run by TRUE MOORS and not COINTELPRO operators getting paid off.
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It is illogical to say you're Yoruba because someone can't prove you are not. That is correct! That is an invalid argument form called modus ponens. Yes sir, I know how to make proper arguments. I have posted several sources. I am not just making a random claim.
You can attempt to go through official US marriage/divorce/birth/death/etc documents to find your family history if your family did not keep it. Some people end up finding when one of their first ancestors came off the boat by reviewing slave registers. That immediately disproves your notion that you said so matter-of-factly "you dont know when you crossed the ocean".
I'm not sure what you mean by "before your documents". And then you quoted "documents", I'm not sure if you are saying the Treaty of Morocco is fictitious or what. Clarify and I will respond further.
*Moors, not "moors". Blame the dictionary, not me. It's a pronoun.
This is false. There is proof that Moors had already knew the geography of the Americas. Columbus wrote in his diaries that he saw Moors settled here when he came. How could the Moors bring such advanced science, mathematics, philosophy, etc. to Europe in 711 A.D. if they couldn't build a boat to cross the ocean? Columbus even said in his diaries the journey wasn't shyt. Only some grade school history books and the History Channel exaggerate it.
lol..... son... Native American is not a nationality.............native means tied to land by birth.... if you're born here, you are a native american lol...... see where the govt tries to fuck you up with this whole Race/Class system
No, you can't sign up for a tribe or nation. You be yourself and proclaim your nationality. Learn your history. Participate in cultural activities. BE that, whatever you are.
If you want proclaim your Cherokee nationality (if you discover you are in fact Cherokee) I'm sure leaders of the nation would expect you to prove it. The Moorish Divine and National Movement is for all Blacks, i.e. niggers that have no national status. Some "temples" may run things in different ways but as long as they aren't taking advantage of you, they should be teaching you the knowledge then issue nationality cards. Watch out for COINTELPRO or scam artists that are just looking to keep the people enslaved and make a quick buck.
It's OK, I'm not offended... You continue to ask for proof, and I post proof. You making indirect slights at my proof but don't call any of it out specifically. Please tell me which documents you believe are colored aka fictitious.
Do you honestly believe that the Europeans honored our nations borders? They took over our ish. Some nations are resprouting but without their original resources (Europeans are keeping them in debt). Ethiopia never folded. But that's the only original nation left.
The Moorish Divine and National Movement is meant to enlighten the lost Moors that considered themselves the fictitious Negro/Nigger/Black/Colored/AfroAmerican, aka bring them out of mental darkness, and provide them an avenue to proclaim their nationality. The world knows we're out to lunch. That's why they only talk that color argument with you. No one really believes people are divided into colors of the rainbow. The Chinese aren't going to show up to the UN and say "yeah we're the light skinned orange guys" because they know thats totally asinine.
Black Boy King
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jono;6113910 said:
I can't tell if you're doing it on purpose or not, but you aren't disproving anything by saying "the US has lots of treaties".
It sounds as if you have a guard up (ego) and are just programmed to reject information. You asked in a disrespectful way, for the Moorish National and Divine Movement to be explained to you. Why are you rejecting it? This is the question of the hour...
I'm not rejecting anything. Thousands of black scholars have spent years of their lives trying to find ties to Africa lol.
You keep saying your a Moor but there's no proof. Those documents do not prove you are a moor or have ever been a moor.
Doesn't prove you or anyone else are moors. It only says moors are not negroes to them but free people. And LOL at thinking an old S. Carolina legal book holds any weight. Even if it were law it has no jurisdiction in Georgia, Alabama etc
Moors were present when the Constitution was written, this is why it was important for them to notify the Sultan of Morocco of the government change and ensure that it went along with the Constitution (the Supreme Law)
moors being "present" (rather true or untrue ) does not mean you or any one else is one...and LOL at the King of Morocco having he ability to do anything in the Americas. When has a king ever let his subjects be ruled by someone else, oh yeah he didnt right? Lol like White folks could be trusted to let any random black person call himself a "Moor" and free himself from bondage. That's ludicrous, it's not even remotely logical.
The Moorish Divine and National Movement is for all Black
And herein is the issue. There's no proof that every black person is a moor or of moorish descent. Remember "moor" is a general term...
Moorish is a nationality. You can tie yourself to it by looking at your family's history. If you know your ancestors are from America (North, Central or South) or Africa, then you are considered a Moor.
So it's both a nationality and a general term? So what's the purpose of the nationality if every one is one regardless? Again makes no sense.
Moor as a general term for blacks, all blacks in fact is just a title placed on you by some ol dead white folks just like Negro...all blacks were called negroes too at one point and that point is far more recent than any of these documents brought forth today. So even if you want to use legal terms the word "Moor" does not even apply today. Laws are written in the political language of the day. Laws for or against blacks have several synonyms. "African-American", "Black", "Negro" etc. "Moor" was most likely the term of the day.
The Treaty is to allow the US to operate on their land for fifty years.
No it doesn't. Lol it's a treaty, not one time did they ask for permission to do anything. Moors did not "own" Americas if so, once again, when has a King ever allowed his subjects to be ruled by another?
You keep saying your a Moor but there's no proof. Those documents do not prove you are a moor or have ever been a moor.
Doesn't prove you or anyone else are moors. It only says moors are not negroes to them but free people. And LOL at thinking an old S. Carolina legal book holds any weight. Even if it were law it has no jurisdiction in Georgia, Alabama etc
Moors were present when the Constitution was written, this is why it was important for them to notify the Sultan of Morocco of the government change and ensure that it went along with the Constitution (the Supreme Law)
moors being "present" (rather true or untrue ) does not mean you or any one else is one...and LOL at the King of Morocco having he ability to do anything in the Americas. When has a king ever let his subjects be ruled by someone else, oh yeah he didnt right? Lol like White folks could be trusted to let any random black person call himself a "Moor" and free himself from bondage. That's ludicrous, it's not even remotely logical.
The Moorish Divine and National Movement is for all Black
And herein is the issue. There's no proof that every black person is a moor or of moorish descent. Remember "moor" is a general term...
Moorish is a nationality. You can tie yourself to it by looking at your family's history. If you know your ancestors are from America (North, Central or South) or Africa, then you are considered a Moor.
So it's both a nationality and a general term? So what's the purpose of the nationality if every one is one regardless? Again makes no sense.
Moor as a general term for blacks, all blacks in fact is just a title placed on you by some ol dead white folks just like Negro...all blacks were called negroes too at one point and that point is far more recent than any of these documents brought forth today. So even if you want to use legal terms the word "Moor" does not even apply today. Laws are written in the political language of the day. Laws for or against blacks have several synonyms. "African-American", "Black", "Negro" etc. "Moor" was most likely the term of the day.
The Treaty is to allow the US to operate on their land for fifty years.
No it doesn't. Lol it's a treaty, not one time did they ask for permission to do anything. Moors did not "own" Americas if so, once again, when has a King ever allowed his subjects to be ruled by another?
So let me get this straight: the Moroccan king who owns vast amounts of land and is probably generating money from the inhabitants here (much like the King of England was) is going to let some Europeans come in and change his system?
Doesn't sound like much of a king to me.
"Thought proper to change" means a Government already existed and that was the Articles of Confederation. The King of Morocco retained dominion over HIS subjects but once again who are these people?
Of course this isn't true. The treaty is a commerce treaty not "permission" to operate in "his" lands, it's literally no different than any other treaty two nations would engage in.
http://morocco.usembassy.gov/mobile//early.html
Doesn't sound like much of a king to me.
"Thought proper to change" means a Government already existed and that was the Articles of Confederation. The King of Morocco retained dominion over HIS subjects but once again who are these people?
Of course this isn't true. The treaty is a commerce treaty not "permission" to operate in "his" lands, it's literally no different than any other treaty two nations would engage in.
http://morocco.usembassy.gov/mobile//early.html
