Modern Day House Negro, and the true Devil. (Let's make this clear)

[Chike]

So what? He was reaching more people than Pac. And what impact was Pac's message having anyway? I never hear anyone talk about Pac's influence on black people (or any people) and religion. That Carlin video I posted is quite possibly the most famous and acclaimed anti-religion speech in pop culture history. Carlin emboldened Catholics to overcome the fear that the Priests and Nuns indoctrinated them with.

Tupac said this....

[video=youtube;7ShilXQb-Zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ShilXQb-Zc[/video]
And, possibly because the vast majority of his fans never heard/saw it, his words had much less impact.

Now that aside, I'm really starting to question your line of thinking here. The "people in power" don't care if one of the most famous comedians ever goes on national television and blasts all religious establishments, thoroughly ripping organized religion in general a new one. But then if Tupac says that churches in the hood should be giving more money to the poor, they say "HOLY SHIT, KILL THAT MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
Unless you somehow think that black clergy secretly run the country, I don't understand how we've arrived here.

sigh.... The one line pac said about the church was an example of the things he was saying. I didn't say they killed pac just cuz he said that one thing.

Also, Carlin reaching most people is like say reaching most Americans, which is saying most of the people he was reaching were "white people". The same people that in my king analogy are reaping the benefits of, for example, a church making millions of dollars and then keeping those millions of dollars flowing through the white community 20 times before any other community ever sees same said money. You think they're going to give that up because Carlin exposed the bullshit of religion to them? No, you'll see them in church that same sunday thanking god for their BLESSINGS. The black community on the other... if they aren't chasing the bling bling, busting caps for bricks or worrying about how much ice they got in their teeth... they can't exactly ignore the reality of the condition their community is in..... Tupac would have been able to draw thsese peoples attentions away from all the distractions because of his fan base within the black community. Calrin is not reaching the projects on that kind of scale, I'm sorry but he's no threat to White supremacy whatsoever.

 

[shootemwon]

sigh.... The one line pac said about the church was an example of the things he was saying. I didn't say they killed pac just cuz he said that one thing.

Also, Carlin reaching most people is like say reaching most Americans, which is saying most of the people he was reaching were "white people". The same people that in my king analogy are reaping the benefits of, for example, a church making millions of dollars and then keeping those millions of dollars flowing through the white community 20 times before any other community ever sees same said money. You think they're going to give that up because Carlin exposed the bullshit of religion to them? No, you'll see them in church that same sunday thanking god for their BLESSINGS. The black community on the other... if they aren't chasing the bling bling, busting caps for bricks or worrying about how much ice they got in their teeth... they can't exactly ignore the reality of the condition their community is in..... Tupac would have been able to draw thsese peoples attentions away from all the distractions because of his fan base within the black community. Calrin is not reaching the projects on that kind of scale, I'm sorry but he's no threat to White supremacy whatsoever.

Let me clear up a couple things.

1. Churches don't keep money flowing through the white community. Churches facilitate the transfer of money from gullible people to the church and those who run it.

2. As Pac's criticism suggests, the previous point holds true in black churches as well. Tupac's comments were not a threat to white supremacy. They were a threat to black clergy.

3. I don't know what alternate universe you're looking at here, but Tupac was NOT, in any way, a threat to any power structure in America. You can keep imagining that he was if you want. Tupac's legacy is surrounded with delusion, from those who think he's still alive to those who think he's Jesus. At any rate, the truth is that the feds were spying on Malcolm X and MLK like crazy, gathering everything they could get on those dudes. IF they even knew who Tupac Shakur was, they never took him seriously like they did MLK and Malcolm. You know why? Cause MLK and Malcolm X were leaders of serious movements that demanded change to the status quo. Tupac occasionally took a break from rhyming "enemy" with "hennessy" to briefly give some minor social commentary. Then he immediately went back to screaming thug life and fuck biggie. Face the facts, there was no movement and no threat building around this guy.

 

[Chike]

Let me clear up a couple things.

1. Churches don't keep money flowing through the white community. Churches facilitate the transfer of money from gullible people to the church and those who run it.

2. As Pac's criticism suggests, the previous point holds true in black churches as well. Tupac's comments were not a threat to white supremacy. They were a threat to black clergy.

3. I don't know what alternate universe you're looking at here, but Tupac was NOT, in any way, a threat to any power structure in America. You can keep imagining that he was if you want. Tupac's legacy is surrounded with delusion, from those who think he's still alive to those who think he's Jesus. At any rate, the truth is that the feds were spying on Malcolm X and MLK like crazy, gathering everything they could get on those dudes. IF they even knew who Tupac Shakur was, they never took him seriously like they did MLK and Malcolm. You know why? Cause MLK and Malcolm X were leaders of serious movements that demanded change to the status quo. Tupac occasionally took a break from rhyming "enemy" with "hennessy" to briefly give some minor social commentary. Then he immediately went back to screaming thug life and fuck biggie. Face the facts, there was no movement and no threat building around this guy.

I'm done..... smh

 

[shootemwon]

I accept your surrender and admission of defeat

 

[Chike]

I accept your surrender and admission of defeat

Ego much? This is why you truly lost, bruh.

 

[shootemwon]

Ego much? This is why you truly lost, bruh.

Keep your head up

 

[And Step]

1. Churches don't keep money flowing through the white community. Churches facilitate the transfer of money from gullible people to the church and those who run it.

You need to go to church, heathen. The Black community in general does this. The Black Church is no different. We don't recycle well.

2. As Pac's criticism suggests, the previous point holds true in black churches as well. Tupac's comments were not a threat to white supremacy. They were a threat to black clergy.

Some would argue that the Black clergy were the No.1 facilitators of white supremacy. Malcom did. The White God and White Jesus thing. The love your enemy schtick. The we are all brothers, while I am shitting on you card. The spooky you will get your reward after you die, while your oppressor works you like a slave to get his on this Earth.

3. I don't know what alternate universe you're looking at here, but Tupac was NOT, in any way, a threat to any power structure in America. You can keep imagining that he was if you want. Tupac's legacy is surrounded with delusion, from those who think he's still alive to those who think he's Jesus. At any rate, the truth is that the feds were spying on Malcolm X and MLK like crazy, gathering everything they could get on those dudes. IF they even knew who Tupac Shakur was, they never took him seriously like they did MLK and Malcolm. You know why? Cause MLK and Malcolm X were leaders of serious movements that demanded change to the status quo. Tupac occasionally took a break from rhyming "enemy" with "hennessy" to briefly give some minor social commentary. Then he immediately went back to screaming thug life and fuck biggie. Face the facts, there was no movement and no threat building around this guy.

The Feds took him very seriously. As they took every young black male with influence, serious. The FBI maintained files on Tupac. All prominent rappers and entertainers are spied on. Why you think dumb ass TI was caught with all those guns? Tupac was potentially very dangerous to them. Any man that had the ear of 18-25 demographic both black and white is definitely a threat. I have never seen a rapper touch young black males in his time the way Pac did. Dude was definitely a force if he could have harnessed and focused his message. With that said, he was no where on the level of Chuck D or mid career Ice Cube in terms of a socio- political awareness. He was obviously a well read, intelligent brother. He was like most of us. Half this-half that.

 

[And Step]

PS: If nothing else, is it not fair to say the name-change to "Makaveli" is suspect because his behavior from that point onward does not display even a minimal understanding of The Prince, which Pac supposedly read.

Makaveli "Prince" was published after his death, and since 2pac is still alive, maybe.......... To be honest, I don't think Makavelli understood the Prince when he wrote it.

Most so-called Intellectuals debate over the Prince and it's meaning, so 2pac is in good company. Personally, I think 2pac named his album that because at that time, rappers liked Italian non de plummes.

Everybody was running around naming themselves after some Italian despot or Mafiosio or any outlaw white figure for that matter. I was MC Tony Danza................

 

[shootemwon]

You need to go to church, heathen. The Black community in general does this. The Black Church is no different. We don't recycle well.

Some would argue that the Black clergy were the No.1 facilitators of white supremacy. Malcom did. The White God and White Jesus thing. The love your enemy schtick. The we are all brothers, while I am shitting on you card. The spooky you will get your reward after you die, while your oppressor works you like a slave to get his on this Earth.

All organized religion is snake oil. Doesn't matter which faith or which race.

The Feds took him very seriously. As they took every young black male with influence, serious. The FBI maintained files on Tupac. All prominent rappers and entertainers are spied on. Why you think dumb ass TI was caught with all those guns? Tupac was potentially very dangerous to them. Any man that had the ear of 18-25 demographic both black and white is definitely a threat. I have never seen a rapper touch young black males in his time the way Pac did. Dude was definitely a force if he could have harnessed and focused his message. With that said, he was no where on the level of Chuck D or mid career Ice Cube in terms of a socio- political awareness. He was obviously a well read, intelligent brother. He was like most of us. Half this-half that.

If you say the feds were focusing a lot of resources on him, I guess I'll take your word for it. Either way, the truth of the matter is he simply wasn't a real threat to any institutional power. He may have been an icon for the unrest widely felt by young black males, but that's it.

 

[shootemwon]

Makaveli "Prince" was published after his death, and since 2pac is still alive, maybe.......... To be honest, I don't think Makavelli understood the Prince when he wrote it.

Most so-called Intellectuals debate over the Prince and it's meaning, so 2pac is in good company. Personally, I think 2pac named his album that because at that time, rappers liked Italian non de plummes.

Everybody was running around naming themselves after some Italian despot or Mafiosio or any outlaw white figure for that matter. I was MC Tony Danza................

lol @ MC Tony Danza.

But publicly announcing that you're going to kill everyone from NYC, inviting anyone to "bring it", and then getting shot to death does not fit any understanding of "The Prince" that I'm aware of. If you have an analysis that supports it, please share.

 

[xtraill]

Typical topic as usual.................

A lot of time spent arguing about who's to blame, but not one solution!

 

[shootemwon]

Typical topic as usual.................

A lot of time spent arguing about who's to blame, but not one solution!

Actually, we've mostly been arguing completely off-topic about whether or not Tupac posed a realistic threat to any institutional power.

You didn't actually read the thread? Typical.

 

[And Step]

All organized religion is snake oil. Doesn't matter which faith or which race.

If you say the feds were focusing a lot of resources on him, I guess I'll take your word for it. Either way, the truth of the matter is he simply wasn't a real threat to any institutional power. He may have been an icon for the unrest widely felt by young black males, but that's it.

Dont take my word on it. It is available through the freedom of information act. Pac's family members were political prisoners with ties to the Black Liberation army and the Black Panthers. Shakur is red flag name most def. The FBI was afraid of Stokely Carmichael for the same thing. His ability to galvanize the "unrest" among young black males. These agencies are not reactionary. They are proactive.

 

[xtraill]

Actually, we've mostly been arguing completely off-topic about whether or not Tupac posed a realistic threat to any institutional power.

You didn't actually read the thread? Typical.

No, I did read the ENTIRE thread!!

I was waiting for it to get back on topic, but since no one is offering any solutions you might as well continue with the "PAC = Enemy of the State?" debate.

 

[Chike]

No, I did read the ENTIRE thread!!

I was waiting for it to get back on topic, but since no one is offering any solutions you might as well continue with the "PAC = Enemy of the State?" debate.

Bringing the problems to attention is the first fuckin solution. Got any input for solutions? No? Then gtfoh. If people don't know the problem how can they work towards a solution in the first place?

When the house negro is told, Let's run away, they ask Where we gonna go?!

When the field negro is ask, let's run away, they say Hell yea, anywhere is better than here!

-Malcolm

 

[And Step]

lol @ MC Tony Danza.

But publicly announcing that you're going to kill everyone from NYC, inviting anyone to "bring it", and then getting shot to death does not fit any understanding of "The Prince" that I'm aware of. If you have an analysis that supports it, please share.

Well, Makaveli was a master of deception...Tupac lives.

Some people die so others can live, not saying PAC was that aware, but we are talking about Illimunati now basically because of him. Sometimes people know they are not able to do things so they facilitate the way for others. I.E Joe Kennedy, Mob Bosses who send their sons into the political, legal, and business worlds to facilitate the family business.

Makavelli, when I read it doesn't mean necessary personal political gain as much as it means achieving a goal.

The Don and Michael Corleone

 

[And Step]

Im a get racial for a minute.

The white power structure has always feared the potential of the Black male youth. They know they have the plder negros.

The young ones usually in every generation have a I don't give a shit attitude. This attitude refocused and redirected away from self destructive behavior can be very troublesome to the status quo. All mass movements usually are realized through the youth. Black people are no different.

 

[xtraill]

Bringing the problems to attention is the first fuckin solution. Got any input for solutions? No? Then gtfoh. If people don't know the problem how can they work towards a solution in the first place?

We've already known about these problems; don't act like you found out some new shit!

The fact of the matter is you militant niggas don't have no real solutions, and never will have any!!!!!

Because if you did...... that would make all of you irrelevant and ya'll don't want that, you wanna stay mad about something.

 

[shootemwon]

You should keep your head up and maybe, just maybe, you'll find some of that Tupac reality which you egregiously disregarded in this thread.

Such as his final interviews he gave, over the last few months of his Life. Such as public statements he made, during certain challenges.

These things are just as, if not more, paramount and impacting although he didn't say them on wax. He still uses his platform to speak to the world, for exposing the veracious effect of White-racism.

Here is one, for starters, and make sure you hear each part of this interview. Then we can go on/find other interviews find other words, to show that his impact rivals Malcolm, in terms of his imprint on this generation:

A series of back and forth posts with you and supplemental video content of your choosing?

Pass.

 

[shootemwon]

You can pass, I actually expect nothing less
But that azz can NOT hide, from the truth's best!
truth's rest on the minefield, where you de-cleat
Readers still get to see: I toast ya deceit
Coast thru deceit, that you use to catapult
Ghost: true-to-beast, so i dash a lot of hope

Actually, it's just that I already discussed this matter at length with And Step, who is smarter and more coherent than you, so I don't see what there is to gain by re-litigating the matter with you.