Modern Day House Negro, and the true Devil. (Let's make this clear)

[Chike]

although, I am certain there are more efficient examples, than Gucc;

there are far far more influential and impacting House Negro's assisting racists w/ annihilating or stagnating The Black Community, at a horrid pace...i.e...Obama, Jay-Z, pdiddy, Michael Steele, Clarence Thomas, Oprah, Bill Cosby, Chris Rock, and other bootlicking Blacks.

It's all in there, bro. I didn't name too many names because there's way too many.... I mean you really can't go wrong in anyone you choose who isn't dead or deemed insane by the media or in prison.

 

[shootemwon]

[video=youtube;8zUIjP4KWok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zUIjP4KWok[/video]

Malcolm X was a great American. I think, however, it's a bit ironic that at the time of this speech, the Nation basically treating him like a puppet with good stage presence.
"Malcolm X once compared himself to a ventriloquist's dummy who could only say what Elijah Muhammad told him."
Malcolm inspired his community, but in reality, he was just doing as he was told, not expressing himself.

And we all know what happened when he stopped letting Elijah Muhammad tell him what to say. I wish Malcolm had been given more time on earth to speak from his own heart, and not just relay the words of another man.

I mean no disrespect to Malcolm X, either. I'm mainly noting this because it's just another example of how religious leaders will manipulate you and have you dedicating your life to doing their bidding, but the second you aren't doing their work for them anymore, you ain't worth shit in their eyes.

 

[Chike]

Malcolm X was a great American. I think, however, it's a bit ironic that at the time of this speech, the Nation basically treating him like a puppet with good stage presence.
"Malcolm X once compared himself to a ventriloquist's dummy who could only say what Elijah Muhammad told him."
Malcolm inspired his community, but in reality, he was just doing as he was told, not expressing himself.

And we all know what happened when he stopped letting Elijah Muhammad tell him what to say. I wish Malcolm had been given more time on earth to speak from his own heart, and not just relay the words of another man.

I mean no disrespect to Malcolm X, either. I'm mainly noting this because it's just another example of how religious leaders will manipulate you and have you dedicating your life to doing their bidding, but the second you aren't doing their work for them anymore, you ain't worth shit in their eyes.

I think Malcolm was only told what topics to speak upon. The only time he was really speaking for Elija was when he would specifically say, "The honorable Elijah Mohammad teaches us that..." Then he would implement his own explanation and understanding of it. This is why the NOI was starting to get annoyed and then tried to silence Malcolm after a while. Eventually Malcolm left because of it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I think Malcolm was only told what topics to speak upon. The only time he was really speaking for Elija was when he would specifically say, "The honorable Elijah Mohammad teaches us that..." Then he would implement his own explanation and understanding of it. This is why the NOI was starting to get annoyed and then tried to silence Malcolm after a while. Eventually Malcolm left because of it.

No, E.M. told him what to say, when to say it, and how to say it.

You can tell the differences in interviews and speeches.

 

[Chike]

No, E.M. told him what to say, when to say it, and how to say it.

You can tell the differences in interviews and speeches.

Meh... either way, I'm not concerned about who says what, I am only concerned about what is being said.

 

[shootemwon]

I think Malcolm was only told what topics to speak upon. The only time he was really speaking for Elija was when he would specifically say, "The honorable Elijah Mohammad teaches us that..." Then he would implement his own explanation and understanding of it. This is why the NOI was starting to get annoyed and then tried to silence Malcolm after a while. Eventually Malcolm left because of it.

Then the point stands. He was out there spreading the word for Elijah Muhammad and then Elijah is trying to silence Malcolm for trying to lift the spirits of his people. Elijah wasn't about the cause. He was about himself.

Point being, Malcolm talks about the "house negro" but would it be unfair if someone called him a "Nation negro" in return?

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

how is gucci a house nigga when he stays making whites (well and blacks) jealous with his material wealth and fame?

 

[Chike]

Then the point stands. He was out there spreading the word for Elijah Muhammad and then Elijah is trying to silence Malcolm for trying to lift the spirits of his people. Elijah wasn't about the cause. He was about himself.

Point being, Malcolm talks about the "house negro" but would it be unfair if someone called him a "Nation negro" in return?

Ok well, I don't want to make this thread about Malcolm X, but I don't get what being a Nation Negro and House Negro has in common.... What is a nation Negro?

how is gucci a house nigga when he stays making whites (well and blacks) jealous with his material wealth and fame?

I guess I gotta expect one post like this from you.

 

[shootemwon]

Ok well, I don't want to make this thread about Malcolm X, but I don't get what being a Nation Negro and House Negro has in common.... What is a nation Negro?

I was just using the term to make this point; Malcolm talked about the "House Negro" who would always behave in whatever man pleased the white man, but Malcolm was basically doing the same thing for Elijah Muhammad and The Nation. He admired Elijah Muhammad so he went around saying whatever Elijah wanted him to say. That's sort of similar to the "House Negro" who admires the white man and says whatever the white man wants to hear.

 

[Chike]

I was just using the term to make this point; Malcolm talked about the "House Negro" who would always behave in whatever man pleased the white man, but Malcolm was basically doing the same thing for Elijah Muhammad and The Nation. He admired Elijah Muhammad so he went around saying whatever Elijah wanted him to say. That's sort of similar to the "House Negro" who admires the white man and says whatever the white man wants to hear.

The thing is, A house negro may not always be aware that he's a house negro. Malcolms intentions was to help and wake up his people, and he truly thought what he was doing was the answer. When he found out that like you said, Elijah might not have been the most honest person, Malcolm realized he needed to get out and help his people on his own terms.

A House negro is tricked into believing that what his master has, is the best thing for him, and therefore he acts however he needs to in order to be in that position. However, in morst cases, if a house negro becomes aware of what he's doing, he wont stop but continue to act a fool just in order to get by better than his alternative, which is going back to being a field negro.

In the case of an ignorant house negor becoming aware of what he's doing and then changing his ways no matter the consequence, then I guess you could compare that to what happened to Malcolm to an extent. I think that's exactly what happened to Tupac. Tupac realized what was going on, he woke up to it and decided to oppose it, and it got him killed just like Malcolm.

 

[shootemwon]

How is that possible, when he was one of few people who lived his Life speaking-truth-to-White Establishment and White's Racism? Do you not understand nor grasp, the price a Black man pays in society? When he chooses to use his Life, to expose those real and tangible forces, working against Black people?

Have you not seen the places where Civil-Rights advocates get treated like shyt? Did you not count how many whimsical, surreptitious, irs audits that the racist-Bush Administration hit the NAACP, Rev. Sharpton, and Rev. Jackson with...from 2000-'08? For no viable reasons, whatsoever?

I think you need to go back, consider quite a bit more reality than you do, when gauging Malcolm's mission statement/productivity.

If you bothered to read the entirety of my statements, you would see the part where I applaud Malcolm and call him a great American, as well as state that he should have had more time on this earth to spread the truth he spoke.
But that doesn't change the fact that Malcolm was being used by Elijah Muhammad as a mere puppet, and that Malcolm was saying whatever Elijah wanted him to say. And to make it clear enough for you, Malcolm himself eventually realized that Elijah and the Nation only saw him as a commodity, so he left and started speaking for himself. Then they killed him.

 

[shootemwon]

In the case of an ignorant house negor becoming aware of what he's doing and then changing his ways no matter the consequence, then I guess you could compare that to what happened to Malcolm to an extent. I think that's exactly what happened to Tupac. Tupac realized what was going on, he woke up to it and decided to oppose it, and it got him killed just like Malcolm.

I know this will stir up a bunch of shit that doesn't need to be hashed out in this thread, but I gotta say it anyway. Can we be real about Tupac? He wasn't no fucking Malcolm X. I would give Tupac credit for using his work to articulate the frustration and anger of poor minorities, but he wasn't dropping knowledge or making any relevant statements about "what was going on". And even if we don't agree with each other about what exactly WAS going on, this much is obvious. Let's take a look...

After getting out of jail, Tupac began referring to himself as "Makaveli", a stylized spelling of "Machiavelli", the author mostly known for writing "The Prince", a famous 16th century guide to savvy and shrewdness while wielding power and taking on adversaries. Tupac says he read this book, and I take him at his word, but considering that he renamed himself "Makaveli" afterward, I have a lot of doubts as to whether or not he understood it at all. Rather than displaying savvy or shrewdness, Pac basically told every New York rapper and their crew "fuck you" and claimed he would kill them all. I don't believe this was what Machiavelli had in mind.
But enough of that. Shortly before being murdered, Tupac finished recording the new "Makaveli" album, Don Killuminati: The Seven Day Theory. Whether or not Tupac was properly applied Machiavellian principle properly by public announcing his intentions of murdering everyone in New York would no longer be relevant. So, let's get to it......and.....the first track is a diss at some guys from New York. Great. Next track is called "Hail Mary", and it sounds quite eerie. Perhaps he's going to reveal the- oh, it's about murdering enemies. Then the next track is about getting laid, and also includes an implication that Dr. Dre. is a homosexual. Ok, I could go on, but let me just say that in the middle of all this nonsense is a song called "White Man'z World". Here it comes with that truth!!! Ah....ok he says that being in jail is unpleasant. Well that sounds pretty true. And now he's talking about his friend getting murdered, and he's going to murder the culprits back. Um, oh hey! He just shouted out the names of some political prisoners! Yeah! Take that, system!
Well fuck it, this is going nowhere. Why don't we just get to what Makaveli himself said was "the realest shit I ever wrote". Here it is, "Against all Odds". Realest shit ever, I can't wait! Now Pac will finally expose the truth that...........Nas rapped about getting shot but it didn't actually happen. Oh. And Puffy is a bitch. Shhh, not so loud Pac! The New World Order will have your head for this startling revelation!

Ooops, some nobody beat them to it though. RIP Pac.

 

[Chike]

I know this will stir up a bunch of shit that doesn't need to be hashed out in this thread, but I gotta say it anyway. Can we be real about Tupac? He wasn't no fucking Malcolm X. I would give Tupac credit for using his work to articulate the frustration and anger of poor minorities, but he wasn't dropping knowledge or making any relevant statements about "what was going on". And even if we don't agree with each other about what exactly WAS going on, this much is obvious. Let's take a look...

After getting out of jail, Tupac began referring to himself as "Makaveli", a stylized spelling of "Machiavelli", the author mostly known for writing "The Prince", a famous 16th century guide to savvy and shrewdness while wielding power and taking on adversaries. Tupac says he read this book, and I take him at his word, but considering that he renamed himself "Makaveli" afterward, I have a lot of doubts as to whether or not he understood it at all. Rather than displaying savvy or shrewdness, Pac basically told every New York rapper and their crew "fuck you" and claimed he would kill them all. I don't believe this was what Machiavelli had in mind.
But enough of that. Shortly before being murdered, Tupac finished recording the new "Makaveli" album, Don Killuminati: The Seven Day Theory. Whether or not Tupac was properly applied Machiavellian principle properly by public announcing his intentions of murdering everyone in New York would no longer be relevant. So, let's get to it......and.....the first track is a diss at some guys from New York. Great. Next track is called "Hail Mary", and it sounds quite eerie. Perhaps he's going to reveal the- oh, it's about murdering enemies. Then the next track is about getting laid, and also includes an implication that Dr. Dre. is a homosexual. Ok, I could go on, but let me just say that in the middle of all this nonsense is a song called "White Man'z World". Here it comes with that truth!!! Ah....ok he says that being in jail is unpleasant. Well that sounds pretty true. And now he's talking about his friend getting murdered, and he's going to murder the culprits back. Um, oh hey! He just shouted out the names of some political prisoners! Yeah! Take that, system!
Well fuck it, this is going nowhere. Why don't we just get to what Makaveli himself said was "the realest shit I ever wrote". Here it is, "Against all Odds". Realest shit ever, I can't wait! Now Pac will finally expose the truth that...........Nas rapped about getting shot but it didn't actually happen. Oh. And Puffy is a bitch. Shhh, not so loud Pac! The New World Order will have your head for this startling revelation!

Ooops, some nobody beat them to it though. RIP Pac.

Pac was not Malcolm, but he had potential to become the next Maloclm. They took his ass out before he got that far. That song about murdering NEw York Rappers was purely instigated by Suge Knight. Suge owned Pac at that time and Pac had no choice but to make that song. Pac was pissed off and vented in a way he shouldn't have. Pac was not perfect... we're not saying that. But he definitely had some very good interviews and off the mic things too say, which showed his potential and the fact he had so many fans is what scared the people in power and they killed him before he could have any type of true impact.

 

[shootemwon]

Pac was not Malcolm, but he had potential to become the next Maloclm. They took his ass out before he got that far. That song about murdering NEw York Rappers was purely instigated by Suge Knight. Suge owned Pac at that time and Pac had no choice but to make that song. Pac was pissed off and vented in a way he shouldn't have. Pac was not perfect... we're not saying that. But he definitely had some very good interviews and off the mic things too say, which showed his potential and the fact he had so many fans is what scared the people in power and they killed him before he could have any type of true impact.

I completely disagree. I saw Pac as an "everyman" character for the hood. He didn't really have much insight to what was happening in the world, but he was good at expressing the desperate need for a better existence that so many people from the inner-city felt.But bottom line, the last album Pac recorded before his death was "Don Killuminati". The name itself played into the idea that the newly re-branded "Makaveli" would reveal some wild shit. Then he basically spends most of the album talking about murder, pussy, money, and how soft people from NYC are. Honestly, I don't think he was gonna get "that far", I think he was talking big but had no substance to back it up.

I'm not even saying this as a diss to Pac (though I think he screwed up his legacy severely with all the "Makaveli" era shit I already mentioned), but a good Pac line about how things really are is this: "They got money for war/ But can't feed the poor". And honestly, I respect that. It's not groundbreaking shit and "they' won't kill anyone for saying it, but the lower class and working class (which most of the inner city falls into) generally don't think about politics or public policy much at all. This is a good start, because if you go with the advanced shit for someone who hasn't ever spent much time thinking about these things, you'll lose them. Pac gave a good first nudge, but he was hardly the type of revolutionary that people in power would feel threatened by.

PS: If nothing else, is it not fair to say the name-change to "Makaveli" is suspect because his behavior from that point onward does not display even a minimal understanding of The Prince, which Pac supposedly read.

 

[Chike]

I completely disagree. I saw Pac as an "everyman" character for the hood. He didn't really have much insight to what was happening in the world, but he was good at expressing the desperate need for a better existence that so many people from the inner-city felt.But bottom line, the last album Pac recorded before his death was "Don Killuminati". The name itself played into the idea that the newly re-branded "Makaveli" would reveal some wild shit. Then he basically spends most of the album talking about murder, pussy, money, and how soft people from NYC are. Honestly, I don't think he was gonna get "that far", I think he was talking big but had no substance to back it up.

I'm not even saying this as a diss to Pac (though I think he screwed up his legacy severely with all the "Makaveli" era shit I already mentioned), but a good Pac line about how things really are is this: "They got money for war/ But can't feed the poor". And honestly, I respect that. It's not groundbreaking shit and "they' won't kill anyone for saying it, but the lower class and working class (which most of the inner city falls into) generally don't think about politics or public policy much at all. This is a good start, because if you go with the advanced shit for someone who hasn't ever spent much time thinking about these things, you'll lose them. Pac gave a good first nudge, but he was hardly the type of revolutionary that people in power would feel threatened by.

PS: If nothing else, is it not fair to say the name-change to "Makaveli" is suspect because his behavior from that point onward does not display even a minimal understanding of The Prince, which Pac supposedly read.

I'm not talking about his music albums. The music industry, especially the mainstream will not publish something they opposes their agenda. It's not like Makaveli was released on his own private owned label or something. To be honest, I havent heard too much of that album so I can't comment on what was said. You have to have seen some of the things he was saying in his interviews though. He was saying things that no other Mainstream Top artist in the industry was saying. It might not be ground breaking to someone like you or me, or anyone that is not with their eyes glued the fuck shut, but these people want the hood batshit stupid. I mean they want us zombies..... For pac to even be saying something like How the churches in the hood making all this money, and building bigger buildings for their religion but their's still homeless people living in the stree on the same block... That is definitely the type of shit they don't want a number one record selling artist to be talking about. Period. Pac was a rebel, and he did not like to be controlled, and that was exactly what they were trying to do but they couldn't shut him up unless they shot him dead. Eventually, he would have kept speaking his mind, and in time he would have free'd himself from DEATHROW records... which he was trying to do at the time of his death, and At that point, who knows what he would have ended up doing.

Pac had to rap about murder and beefing with NY because he signed a deal with Suge to get out of prison, and legally, Suge pretty much owned his ass and told Pac what to put on his albums. And I am definitely convinced Suge was in on PAcs death. Suge is just... you can see the evil Aura coming off that dude.. lol for real. There's nothing benevolent about him imo...

Music aside, Pac's insight on the world and his views on reality were not really in the same boat as his latest albums.

 

[VulcanRaven]

The TERM house Nigga is not relevant today and there is no TRUE Devil.As long as the black men in question are not out on the streets polluting black communities with drugs and crime,how can you idiots call them out? When you do business in this Country you will have to work with whites rather you like it or not.A smart man uses them to get ahead while a dumb man stands to the side and hates on the smart man.Gucci is a walking stereotype and bafoon,but a HOUSE nigga he isn't.You so could militant black posters are a fucking JOKE.Go do something with your life and stop hating on people who are successful.

And SMH@ comparing Pac to Malcolm.Fuck out of here.pac did not have the influence that X had with black people in general and X was only a leader because of the civil rights age.There will never be another MX or MLK because one is not needed.

 

[shootemwon]

I'm not talking about his music albums. The music industry, especially the mainstream will not publish something they opposes their agenda. It's not like Makaveli was released on his own private owned label or something. To be honest, I havent heard too much of that album so I can't comment on what was said. You have to have seen some of the things he was saying in his interviews though. He was saying things that no other Mainstream Top artist in the industry was saying. It might not be ground breaking to someone like you or me, or anyone that is not with their eyes glued the fuck shut, but these people want the hood batshit stupid. I mean they want us zombies..... For pac to even be saying something like How the churches in the hood making all this money, and building bigger buildings for their religion but their's still homeless people living in the stree on the same block... That is definitely the type of shit they don't want a number one record selling artist to be talking about. Period. Pac was a rebel, and he did not like to be controlled, and that was exactly what they were trying to do but they couldn't shut him up unless they shot him dead. Eventually, he would have kept speaking his mind, and in time he would have free'd himself from DEATHROW records... which he was trying to do at the time of his death, and At that point, who knows what he would have ended up doing.

Pac had to rap about murder and beefing with NY because he signed a deal with Suge to get out of prison, and legally, Suge pretty much owned his ass and told Pac what to put on his albums. And I am definitely convinced Suge was in on PAcs death. Suge is just... you can see the evil Aura coming off that dude.. lol for real. There's nothing benevolent about him imo...

Music aside, Pac's insight on the world and his views on reality were not really in the same boat as his latest albums.

Ok, I understand what you're saying about the album content being out of his control, but I still think you're making too much of Pac. You cited him saying "How the churches in the hood making all this money, and building bigger buildings for their religion but their's still homeless people living in the street on the same block". Ok, the attitude is a bit subversive there, but to suggest that saying shit like got him merked is kind of silly. Have you heard George Carlin talk about religion? Carlin goes way harder at churches, and steps on way more toes than what Pac said. And in Carlin's 40+ year career, I'm pretty sure he built up a bigger fanbase than Pac had. One of the most iconic names in showbiz can trash religion (check out the video below) on a 10 minute rant during an HBO special, but a popular rapper gets killed for raising one question about the church?

[video=youtube;6RT6rL2UroE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE[/video]

 

[janklow]

Tupac realized what was going on, he woke up to it and decided to oppose it, and it got him killed just like Malcolm.

why must we continually overstate Tupac like this

Pac was not Malcolm, but he had potential to become the next Maloclm.

WHY WHY WHY

I know this will stir up a bunch of shit that doesn't need to be hashed out in this thread, but I gotta say it anyway. Can we be real about Tupac? He wasn't no fucking Malcolm X.

yes, more of this please

 

[Chike]

Ok, I understand what you're saying about the album content being out of his control, but I still think you're making too much of Pac. You cited him saying "How the churches in the hood making all this money, and building bigger buildings for their religion but their's still homeless people living in the street on the same block". Ok, the attitude is a bit subversive there, but to suggest that saying shit like got him merked is kind of silly. Have you heard George Carlin talk about religion? Carlin goes way harder at churches, and steps on way more toes than what Pac said. And in Carlin's 40+ year career, I'm pretty sure he built up a bigger fanbase than Pac had. One of the most iconic names in showbiz can trash religion (check out the video below) on a 10 minute rant during an HBO special, but a popular rapper gets killed for raising one question about the church?

[video=youtube;6RT6rL2UroE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RT6rL2UroE[/video]

George Carlin is not exactly reaching the black community on a scale that Pac was... sorry, two different boats.

The TERM house Nigga is not relevant today and there is no TRUE Devil.As long as the black men in question are not out on the streets polluting black communities with drugs and crime,how can you idiots call them out? When you do business in this Country you will have to work with whites rather you like it or not.A smart man uses them to get ahead while a dumb man stands to the side and hates on the smart man.Gucci is a walking stereotype and bafoon,but a HOUSE nigga he isn't.You so could militant black posters are a fucking JOKE.Go do something with your life and stop hating on people who are successful.

And SMH@ comparing Pac to Malcolm.Fuck out of here.pac did not have the influence that X had with black people in general and X was only a leader because of the civil rights age.There will never be another MX or MLK because one is not needed.

You're either a house negro or white supremacist. gtfoh with that same nonsesne. This over consuming destructive life style is not for humanity.

why must we continually overstate Tupac like this

WHY WHY WHY

yes, more of this please

Ok this thread is not about Pac.... let's drop this.

 

[shootemwon]

George Carlin is not exactly reaching the black community on a scale that Pac was... sorry, two different boats.

So what? He was reaching more people than Pac. And what impact was Pac's message having anyway? I never hear anyone talk about Pac's influence on black people (or any people) and religion. That Carlin video I posted is quite possibly the most famous and acclaimed anti-religion speech in pop culture history. Carlin emboldened Catholics to overcome the fear that the Priests and Nuns indoctrinated them with.

Tupac said this....

[video=youtube;7ShilXQb-Zc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ShilXQb-Zc[/video]
And, possibly because the vast majority of his fans never heard/saw it, his words had much less impact.

Now that aside, I'm really starting to question your line of thinking here. The "people in power" don't care if one of the most famous comedians ever goes on national television and blasts all religious establishments, thoroughly ripping organized religion in general a new one. But then if Tupac says that churches in the hood should be giving more money to the poor, they say "HOLY SHIT, KILL THAT MOTHERFUCKER!!!"
Unless you somehow think that black clergy secretly run the country, I don't understand how we've arrived here.