Mindhunter (Netflix) (New Show From David Fincher)

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I’m so dumb I had no idea those guys were real LOL

I also looked at what became of Richard Speck in prison. Dude became a straight bitch.

When I was a Psych major in college (1st of a few majors) we watched the Ed Kemper interviews prior to talking about nature vs nurture...that sparked a long fascination with serial killers. For a few years I read damn near everything I could about them....should have applied for the FBI...

I love this show though...

just got done with the season

interesting how they all had deep seated issues with their mothers and absentee fathers

ed kemper was especially unsettling ....i was reading he was extremely intelligent. genius level

Watch the actual Ed Kemper interviews. Shit is fucked up. Not sure he was a genuis but he was def smart.

i've had enough for ed kemper for right now

but yea he is a character

they say he's narrated 700 books for the blind...and could have gotten out on bail but requested to stay locked up
https://www.avclub.com/listen-to-the-real-ed-kemper-from-mindhunter-reading-au-1819716594

 

[atribecalledgabi]

I’m so dumb I had no idea those guys were real LOL

I also looked at what became of Richard Speck in prison. Dude became a straight bitch.

When I was a Psych major in college (1st of a few majors) we watched the Ed Kemper interviews prior to talking about nature vs nurture...that sparked a long fascination with serial killers. For a few years I read damn near everything I could about them....should have applied for the FBI...

I love this show though...

just got done with the season

interesting how they all had deep seated issues with their mothers and absentee fathers

ed kemper was especially unsettling ....i was reading he was extremely intelligent. genius level

That shit was crazy to me. It made me think how ppl with daddy issues don't do shit like this. It's always an issue with the mother that ruined those dude's images of women.

right

you have ur exceptions like aileen wuornos the serial killer the movie monster is based on. she killed like 6 men. her father was a pedo. not sure about her mother

then the number suggest most serial killers are men

but it is crazy when you look at how men and women deal with abuse and broken homes differently ...but i guess its not surprising considering how men and women relate to the world and our parents differently

makes you think of the limits of human agency as well

Not just men...white men. Idk what that's about (I have a few ideas lol)

I looked up female serial killers to see if any of em ever did the precision killing like male serial killers do and there weren't any...damn near all of em killed kids or elderly ppl. Aileen wuornos was the only one I found that specifically targeted men.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

I’m so dumb I had no idea those guys were real LOL

I also looked at what became of Richard Speck in prison. Dude became a straight bitch.

When I was a Psych major in college (1st of a few majors) we watched the Ed Kemper interviews prior to talking about nature vs nurture...that sparked a long fascination with serial killers. For a few years I read damn near everything I could about them....should have applied for the FBI...

I love this show though...

just got done with the season

interesting how they all had deep seated issues with their mothers and absentee fathers

ed kemper was especially unsettling ....i was reading he was extremely intelligent. genius level

That shit was crazy to me. It made me think how ppl with daddy issues don't do shit like this. It's always an issue with the mother that ruined those dude's images of women.

right

you have ur exceptions like aileen wuornos the serial killer the movie monster is based on. she killed like 6 men. her father was a pedo. not sure about her mother

then the number suggest most serial killers are men

but it is crazy when you look at how men and women deal with abuse and broken homes differently ...but i guess its not surprising considering how men and women relate to the world and our parents differently

makes you think of the limits of human agency as well

Not just men...white men. Idk what that's about (I have a few ideas lol)

I looked up female serial killers to see if any of em ever did the precision killing like male serial killers do and there weren't any...damn near all of em killed kids or elderly ppl. Aileen wuornos was the only one I found that specifically targeted men.

i have a few ideas myself ...if you like to begin lol

was just doing a little more reading and i was actually surprised though that relative to men, women represent a larger percentage of serial murders than all other homicide cases in the U.S which kind of changes things....

approximately 17 percent of all serial homicides in the U.S. are committed by women. Interestingly, only 10 percent of total murders in the U.S. are committed by women. Therefore, relative to men, women represent a larger percentage of serial murders than all other homicide cases in the U.S. This is an important and revealing fact that defies the popular understanding of serial murder.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-serial-killers-and-why-they-persist-excerpt/

 

[atribecalledgabi]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

20 mins in love the look

Just like zodiac

That's cuz Fincher directed this too

@"Max." You might like this

 

[King of GA]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

That's interesting and even plausible, however I don't believe that's it. At least not for serial killers. That's what causes white people to blow shit up, not methodically hunt individuals that share similarities with the person who caused them the greatest degree of emotional harm too torture and kill. That is much more deep seated...

If you look at the numbers for serial killers I think you'll find some interesting stuff. I remember reading several years ago that from 1900 to about 1960 there were very few serial killers like less than 20 document. In there 1960s there were just over 20. In the seventies there were around 120 or more and in the 80s there were over 200. That's not murders, that's documented serial killers.

That's quite a jump. And I believe that if you look at how the household changed just prior to that when those guys would have been kids you probably have an answer as to why the number of serial killers multiplied. It goes back to what you've already stated, a great majority of these guys grew up in homes with a domineering mother, single or not, however most were single. I believe the numbers of those types of households probably grew in the 50s and 60s.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

Right

Its this sense of entitlement in masculine culture which is so prevalent. The idea that men have to be in control that predisposes them to this type of behavior

For white men they especially think they own the world

The demographics are changing as well

From 1990 to 2010, the most recent year of data in the project, 52.1% of US serials killers were white, while 40.3% were black. The numbers don't change much internationally either. Worldwide, 56.2% are white, while 30% are black.
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-surprising-look-at-the-average-serial-killer-2015-5

I was alil shocked

Think a lot of it has to do with the color the victims. The majority of the time ppl kill ppl of the same race for various reasons. When bodies are discovered or a person goes missing if the victim is a poc we already know the story isnt going to receive the same interest opposed to white victims

To a lesser extent think how the entertainment industry likes to romanticize serial killers perpetuates the idea all serial killers are white men as well. 95% of the time the character is a white man who is this evil yet highly sophisicated killer. Unlike non white ppl + other men they have they the discipline or smarts to evade arrest for years, decades. Etc which we know is bullshit

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

That's interesting and even plausible, however I don't believe that's it. At least not for serial killers. That's what causes white people to blow shit up, not methodically hunt individuals that share similarities with the person who caused them the greatest degree of emotional harm too torture and kill. That is much more deep seated...

If you look at the numbers for serial killers I think you'll find some interesting stuff. I remember reading several years ago that from 1900 to about 1960 there were very few serial killers like less than 20 document. In there 1960s there were just over 20. In the seventies there were around 120 or more and in the 80s there were over 200. That's not murders, that's documented serial killers.

That's quite a jump. And I believe that if you look at how the household changed just prior to that when those guys would have been kids you probably have an answer as to why the number of serial killers multiplied. It goes back to what you've already stated, a great majority of these guys grew up in homes with a domineering mother, single or not, however most were single. I believe the numbers of those types of households probably grew in the 50s and 60s.

Cosign

Seems like these men not only wanted their mothers acceptance but felt emasculated. And resented/ blamed their mothers for the lack of structure in their lives they believed that only a willing father could provide

That is a big jump in the numbers

With the industrial revolution and the advent of consumerism think a lot of the shit we've seen was unavoidable

Like u were saying over the last 100 years or so, families have been getting more unstable. Think its because unlike back in the day ppl often have to leave their home town and close family ties to attend school and or find work. The cost of living now requires both parents to spend less and less time outside their homes and with their children and or to come home stressed+ overworked. The commercialization of sex and the internet has made it easier to get sex and made relationships more disposable. And it has all led to more substance abuse, child abuse, domestic violence, etc

 

[AP21]

20 mins in love the look

Just like zodiac

That's cuz Fincher directed this too

@"Max." You might like this

word gabi??

 

[atribecalledgabi]

20 mins in love the look

Just like zodiac

That's cuz Fincher directed this too

@"Max." You might like this

word gabi??

Yea....lol

 

[atribecalledgabi]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

That's interesting and even plausible, however I don't believe that's it. At least not for serial killers. That's what causes white people to blow shit up, not methodically hunt individuals that share similarities with the person who caused them the greatest degree of emotional harm too torture and kill. That is much more deep seated...

If you look at the numbers for serial killers I think you'll find some interesting stuff. I remember reading several years ago that from 1900 to about 1960 there were very few serial killers like less than 20 document. In there 1960s there were just over 20. In the seventies there were around 120 or more and in the 80s there were over 200. That's not murders, that's documented serial killers.

That's quite a jump. And I believe that if you look at how the household changed just prior to that when those guys would have been kids you probably have an answer as to why the number of serial killers multiplied. It goes back to what you've already stated, a great majority of these guys grew up in homes with a domineering mother, single or not, however most were single. I believe the numbers of those types of households probably grew in the 50s and 60s.

That's interesting af...I wonder what made the numbers drop off from the 80s to now. Do you think the rise in mass murderers (like ppl that shoot up schools and the dude that went off in vegas) overtook serial killers? Like if someone was drawn to be a serial killer they'd rather just kill a bunch of ppl at once and get famous?

 

[atribecalledgabi]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

Right

Its this sense of entitlement in masculine culture which is so prevalent. The idea that men have to be in control that predisposes them to this type of behavior

For white men they especially think they own the world

The demographics are changing as well

From 1990 to 2010, the most recent year of data in the project, 52.1% of US serials killers were white, while 40.3% were black. The numbers don't change much internationally either. Worldwide, 56.2% are white, while 30% are black.
http://www.businessinsider.com/a-surprising-look-at-the-average-serial-killer-2015-5

I was alil shocked

Think a lot of it has to do with the color the victims. The majority of the time ppl kill ppl of the same race for various reasons. When bodies are discovered or a person goes missing if the victim is a poc we already know the story isnt going to receive the same interest opposed to white victims

To a lesser extent think how the entertainment industry likes to romanticize serial killers perpetuates the idea all serial killers are white men as well. 95% of the time the character is a white man who is this evil yet highly sophisicated killer. Unlike non white ppl + other men they have they the discipline or smarts to evade arrest for years, decades. Etc which we know is bullshit

Oh shit...never woulda guessed there were that many black serial killers. 40% wtf?!?! Good drop on that article

 

[King of GA]

@Madame_CJSkywalker this is what I said on another site about it

in my uninformed opinion, I think it has something to do with society in the case of white men...like white men are the dominant group so white men in general feel entitled to things they think they should own/have dominance over - which happened to be women and women's sexuality in these cases.

To that point, we really don't have any nonwhite serial killers like that either. It's almost exclusively whites...

You see it manifesting now with all this alt-right shit of white men feeling like they are owed a bigger piece of the pie strictly off their whiteness.

That's interesting and even plausible, however I don't believe that's it. At least not for serial killers. That's what causes white people to blow shit up, not methodically hunt individuals that share similarities with the person who caused them the greatest degree of emotional harm too torture and kill. That is much more deep seated...

If you look at the numbers for serial killers I think you'll find some interesting stuff. I remember reading several years ago that from 1900 to about 1960 there were very few serial killers like less than 20 document. In there 1960s there were just over 20. In the seventies there were around 120 or more and in the 80s there were over 200. That's not murders, that's documented serial killers.

That's quite a jump. And I believe that if you look at how the household changed just prior to that when those guys would have been kids you probably have an answer as to why the number of serial killers multiplied. It goes back to what you've already stated, a great majority of these guys grew up in homes with a domineering mother, single or not, however most were single. I believe the numbers of those types of households probably grew in the 50s and 60s.

That's interesting af...I wonder what made the numbers drop off from the 80s to now. Do you think the rise in mass murderers (like ppl that shoot up schools and the dude that went off in vegas) overtook serial killers? Like if someone was drawn to be a serial killer they'd rather just kill a bunch of ppl at once and get famous?

I think that very well may be a part of it. People are just doing it differently these days.

Also, I think the advancements in police technology with DNA and better equipment probably leads to some of these guys getting caught before they really become serial killers. Now, they might be sitting in jail after kill one or two rather than after kill five, six or seven plus.

One other thing that I think factors in as well is technology in general advancing the way that it has. Now there are cameras everywhere, everybody has a cell phone, add to that that people are generally more alert based on having grown up in an area where there were a lot of Serial killings going on. It simply isn't that convenient to be a serial killer as it was.