Microsoft And Sony Targeting 2014 For New Consoles, Leaving Nintendo In The Clear

[kevmic]

I just read somewhere that Nintendo might actually make an announcement for a new console at this year's E3. So if Sony and Microsoft stick to their 2014 release, that will give Nintendo a 2 year head start on the competition. They'll need it because once the new Playstation or Xbox is finally announced, it will be insane.

 

[Bcotton5]

2014 is cool with me

 

[imm0rt4l]

Sounds good with me, plenty of life in current gen.

I just read somewhere that Nintendo might actually make an announcement for a new console at this year's E3. So if Sony and Microsoft stick to their 2014 release, that will give Nintendo a 2 year head start on the competition. They'll need it because once the new Playstation or Xbox is finally announced, it will be insane.

Ehhh, it's not that clear cut. Nintendo is essentially playing by their own rules which is fine. Their new console is purportedly on the same level as ps360(even stronger actually) but time will tell. So in essence they aren't getting a head start on anything other than whatever new technology they are introducing be it their controller or whatever. I suppose Nintendo will get some real ports now, and not the downgraded bullshit that devs are pushing alongside their ps360 'equivalents'. Nintendo at this point doesn't really adhere to the 'next gen' rule set that sony and ms are playing, if they were then 'technically' they're barely just catching up.

 

[funkdocdamc]

The only way Nintendo can really capitalize on this is buy getting third party support in their 2 yr head start. Even if their system is more powerful than 360/PS3, the first generation games won't blow anyone away in terms of graphics (no system shows a huge leap in graphics during first gen. games). If they get good third party support and keep at it with the casual games for the casual market, they could really be on beast mode.

 

[kevmic]

Sounds good with me, plenty of life in current gen.

Ehhh, it's not that clear cut. Nintendo is essentially playing by their own rules which is fine. Their new console is purportedly on the same level as ps360(even stronger actually) but time will tell. So in essence they aren't getting a head start on anything other than whatever new technology they are introducing be it their controller or whatever. I suppose Nintendo will get some real ports now, and not the downgraded bullshit that devs are pushing alongside their ps360 'equivalents'. Nintendo at this point doesn't really adhere to the 'next gen' rule set that sony and ms are playing, if they were then 'technically' they're barely just catching up.

What I meant by head start is in regards to early adopters of the new console and overall sales especially during the holiday. Nintendo would be wise to release a console earlier then Sony or Microsoft, and get that jump on today's consumers who has proven to like to buy the newest thing on the shelf. Now if Nintendo was to release a console around the same time as Sony or Microsoft, changes are, they might get swallowed up by the competition.

 

[funkdocdamc]

What I meant by head start is in regards to early adopters of the new console and overall sales especially during the holiday. Nintendo would be wise to release a console earlier then Sony or Microsoft, and get that jump on today's consumers who has proven to like to buy the newest thing on the shelf. Now if Nintendo was to release a console around the same time as Sony or Microsoft, changes are, they might get swallowed up by the competition.

I understand what you are saying, that that isn't necessarily true. Nintendo's audience isn't the same as the PS3/360's. Like someone said earlier, they move at their own speed. Wii dropped around the same time as PS3 (I think like a week after) and it ended up selling more than both ps3/360.

Nintendo has a hardcore fanbase (not the same as hardcore gamers) that will stick with them on whatever they make because let's be honest, the Gamecube and Wii's release time between great games is horrible and both of them were shoveled with a lot of bs games. They are good with the casual market, but if they can dip into the hardcore market (lol) they will be double set (They're already gonna make a shitload of money anyway)

 

[focus]

The thing is, we are reaching a point where consoles can only get so much more powerful. Nintendo could launch in 2012 with a console slightly more powerful than the PS3 (as reported) for $349.99. Still be profitable from day one, and still make it affordable to develop for. And this is what they would have to do because if they try to "double the power" or something the thing would be way too expensive all around...nor would it provide THAT much of a difference to be worth it.

Thats where we find M$ and Sony. If they try to out do Nintendo's next console by too much, they will have to launch at some ridiculous price, still take a loss, and the games would be too expensive to develop for third parties.

 

[VulcanRaven]

The next Nintendo console will not be anymore powerful than the 360 or PS3 as Nintendo does not have the resources or understanding of high tech to deliver a beast of a console.The Wii is behind both consoles this generation and it takes progression to improve and understanding of what you can actually develop for the next generation.Even if they did manage to deliver a super computer type console,they do not have the software (games) to sell it and the price will be expensive.Either way,I will still be playing my PS3 while waiting for the next Sony console and I am sure that many who have a 360 and PS3 will do the same.So it does not matter because the core gamers and masses will not be interested.A new console does not equal success.

 

[joshuaboy]

If we remember the PS2's cycle, and look at the games that came out towards the end, GOW2 and a few others and compare them to the games that came out early in its cycle we see how they advanced. GOW2 looked better than early PS360 games. Look at how more recent games look now compared to earlier titles.

What Nintendo could be aiming for in 2012 might only be where the PS360 advances to by that time.

 

[ShencotheMC]

The next Nintendo console will not be anymore powerful than the 360 or PS3 as Nintendo does not have the resources or understanding of high tech to deliver a beast of a console.The Wii is behind both consoles this generation and it takes progression to improve and understanding of what you can actually develop for the next generation.Even if they did manage to deliver a super computer type console,they do not have the software (games) to sell it and the price will be expensive.Either way,I will still be playing my PS3 while waiting for the next Sony console and I am sure that many who have a 360 and PS3 will do the same.So it does not matter because the core gamers and masses will not be interested.A new console does not equal success.

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[vagrant-718]

The next Nintendo console will not be anymore powerful than the 360 or PS3 as Nintendo does not have the resources or understanding of high tech to deliver a beast of a console.The Wii is behind both consoles this generation and it takes progression to improve and understanding of what you can actually develop for the next generation.Even if they did manage to deliver a super computer type console,they do not have the software (games) to sell it and the price will be expensive.Either way,I will still be playing my PS3 while waiting for the next Sony console and I am sure that many who have a 360 and PS3 will do the same.So it does not matter because the core gamers and masses will not be interested.A new console does not equal success.

smh at this post

Tech wise

snes>genesis

n64>ps1

gc>ps2

Nintendo coming in this gen said they didnt want to focus on power but instead focus on new way to play games (wiimote) which worked out for them since they won this gen and left 360 and ps3 in the dust. The software may not appeal to you but nintendo brands sells million. I know you a sony dickrider but damn

 

[imm0rt4l]

The thing is, we are reaching a point where consoles can only get so much more powerful. Nintendo could launch in 2012 with a console slightly more powerful than the PS3 (as reported) for $349.99. Still be profitable from day one, and still make it affordable to develop for. And this is what they would have to do because if they try to "double the power" or something the thing would be way too expensive all around...nor would it provide THAT much of a difference to be worth it.

Thats where we find M$ and Sony. If they try to out do Nintendo's next console by too much, they will have to launch at some ridiculous price, still take a loss, and the games would be too expensive to develop for third parties.

Agreed on all point except for the bold.

The next Nintendo console will not be anymore powerful than the 360 or PS3 as Nintendo does not have the resources or understanding of high tech to deliver a beast of a console.The Wii is behind both consoles this generation and it takes progression to improve and understanding of what you can actually develop for the next generation.Even if they did manage to deliver a super computer type console,they do not have the software (games) to sell it and the price will be expensive.Either way,I will still be playing my PS3 while waiting for the next Sony console and I am sure that many who have a 360 and PS3 will do the same.So it does not matter because the core gamers and masses will not be interested.A new console does not equal success.

While I agree they don't have the resources that sony or ms is, Nintendo is still really competitive from a tech standpoint. I believe if they wanted to go for an HD console instead of the wii then they could have, but fact of the matter is that Nintendo doesn't compete with sony and ms in terms of technology is because they would lose.

smh at this post

Tech wise
snes>genesis
n64>ps1
gc>ps2

Nintendo coming in this gen said they didnt want to focus on power but instead focus on new way to play games (wiimote) which worked out for them since they won this gen and left 360 and ps3 in the dust. The software may not appeal to you but nintendo brands sells million. I know you a sony dickrider but damn

Not a good comparison , the now defunct sega isn't on the same level as sony or ms. N64 came out 2 years after ps1, and it was still a cartridge base format. GC came out a year and a half after ps2 in japan, that's enough time to make a difference(negligible).

 

[kevmic]

I understand what you are saying, that that isn't necessarily true. Nintendo's audience isn't the same as the PS3/360's. Like someone said earlier, they move at their own speed. Wii dropped around the same time as PS3 (I think like a week after) and it ended up selling more than both ps3/360.

Nintendo has a hardcore fanbase (not the same as hardcore gamers) that will stick with them on whatever they make because let's be honest, the Gamecube and Wii's release time between great games is horrible and both of them were shoveled with a lot of bs games. They are good with the casual market, but if they can dip into the hardcore market (lol) they will be double set (They're already gonna make a shitload of money anyway)

True. Good points. Now that you mentioned it with the Gamecube, they really did just became a console for hardcore fans of Nintendo and not hardcore gamers.

 

[vagrant-718]

Agreed on all point except for the bold.

While I agree they don't have the resources that sony or ms is, Nintendo is still really competitive from a tech standpoint. I believe if they wanted to go for an HD console instead of the wii then they could have, but fact of the matter is that Nintendo doesn't compete with sony and ms in terms of technology is because they would lose.

Not a good comparison , the now defunct sega isn't on the same level as sony or ms. N64 came out 2 years after ps1, and it was still a cartridge base format. GC came out a year and a half after ps2 in japan, that's enough time to make a difference(negligible).

How is that not a good comparison? This the first gen nintendo wasnt up to par tech wise. Sega back then wasnt no tech slouch. The saturn was a beast of a machine and sega handhelds were technically superior to nintendo. N64 may have been cartridge base but it was still the more powerful of the 3, and may have went that route because they didnt want to pay any royalties to sony w/ the CDs. You make it sound like nintendo just up and announce shit. When sony, ms, or nintendo announce a new hardware, that's something that been in development for years. As far as graphic goes, they just call up ATI or NVidia w/ a price. They need a cpu they call up IBM. Nintendo made mad money off the wii and ds to go balls out if they wanted to

 

[DaFifthElement]

Im sick of the disc based content...I mean really the ps4 needs to be compact and efficient.

 

[focus]

Nintendo is a bigger company than Sony. They could make any kind of machine they wanted.

 

[imm0rt4l]

How is that not a good comparison? This the first gen nintendo wasnt up to par tech wise. Sega back then wasnt no tech slouch. The saturn was a beast of a machine and sega handhelds were technically superior to nintendo. N64 may have been cartridge base but it was still the more powerful of the 3, and may have went that route because they didnt want to pay any royalties to sony w/ the CDs. You make it sound like nintendo just up and announce shit. When sony, ms, or nintendo announce a new hardware, that's something that been in development for years. As far as graphic goes, they just call up ATI or NVidia w/ a price. They need a cpu they call up IBM. Nintendo made mad money off the wii and ds to go balls out if they wanted to

I typed up why it wasn't a good comparison to name those older Nintendo consoles that came out after their competition and were more powerful. Am I supposed to be impressed with the fact that xbox was more powerful than the ps2? Of course not.

And yea you're right, Nintendo has scrooge mcduck money and they could throw the money out and compete on the same playing field as Sony and MS at the risk of losing.....again. You see Nintendo had the better graphics those other generations, but they always came short. Nintendo effectively moved the goal post when it came to the wii which is why they're at the top, rolls are reversed and they had a compelling feature/gimmick to alleviate their lack of graphic fidelity.

 

[intalect]

Nintendo is a bigger company than Sony. They could make any kind of machine they wanted.

how come ps2 isn't on that chart??????? hmmmmmmmmmmm lol smh and that shit is still selling to this day and i agree nintendo is the bigger company gaming wise but definitely not overall sony has their hands in so many other markets ...........Did you know playstation was supposed to be a nintendo & sony console ??? Miyamoto didnt like disc so sony said fuck him

 

[imm0rt4l]

how come ps2 isn't on that chart??????? hmmmmmmmmmmm lol smh and that shit is still selling to this day and i agree nintendo is the bigger company gaming wise but definitely not overall sony has their hands in so many other markets ...........Did you know playstation was supposed to be a nintendo & sony console ??? Miyamoto didnt like disc so sony said fuck him

For obvious reasons haha, why would you want to undermine your own point by including the highest selling console of all time? It's propoganda. Not saying that it's filled with falsehoods, but it's intellectually dishonest at best and grossly misleading at worst.

 

[intalect]

For obvious reasons haha, why would you want to undermine your own point by including the highest selling console of all time? It's propoganda. Not saying that it's filled with falsehoods, but it's intellectually dishonest at best and grossly misleading at worst.

you could not have said it any better ! lol