MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[sunlord]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Gabi projects WHO SHE IS AND HOW SHE THINKS. She doesnt know that the majority of women dont quite think and see things like this.

I only date women like her and its hard as hell to find them.

see I totally understand why she would think like that... because really the issues of wider society and the problems of others is not really something that females are as prone to want to address or fix. Many of them " think why bother if society going into the trashcan?? as long as I can live or be taken care of why should I care?? it's not worth the struggle fixing these greater societal issues if I cannot also benefit from it. "

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Gabi projects WHO SHE IS AND HOW SHE THINKS. She doesnt know that the majority of women dont quite think and see things like this.

I only date women like her and its hard as hell to find them.

see I totally understand why she would think like that... because really the issues of wider society and the problems of others is not really something that females are as prone to want to address or fix. Many of them " think why bother if society going into the trashcan?? as long as I can live or be taken care of why should I care?? it's not worth the struggle fixing these greater societal issues if I cannot also benefit from it. "

Women can be prone to think about the community and society PROVIDED TEHY ARE EDUCATED THAT WAY. We men, especially the sexist have contibute to the infantilization of women. And guess what: CHILDREN CANNOT BE AS ACCOUNTABLE AND MATURE AS ADULTS.

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

 

[goldenja]

GroupThinkers

 

[AZTG]

In this, or every other topic, i dont understand why people so worried about society crumbling. Society always crumbles and new values replace old ones. Power structures always change. Just look at history.

Especially now with the speed that technology is developing, there is no way to keep society to stay how we know it, and totallg impossible to go back to 50 years ago when men had all the power.

Everything is becoming automated, and in the next few decades, literally everything will be automated and the importance of money will die out. Something else will replace money as the ways of people being elite and create class divisions.

Personally I wanna see the world change. Its exciting to me. Regardless if its good or bad.

No way to stop progress. We will never have a problem free society. The progress we make as a species will solve all the problems we face today ans give rise to new ones.

There have always been people who wanted to stop progress and were afraid that society as we knew it was crumbling. They never won though. No matter what anyone does, change is inevitable. You can slow down change, but never stop it.

 

[Mister B.]

You have a couple different types of mgtow.

Your average mgtow man is a bloke who wants the stability of a relationship, the wife the family etc etc but they recognize how dubious and detrimental the set up is with women either cheating and divorcing cuckolding and divorcing or just cutting off sex period. So these men go mgtow as the only logical course of action until the legal and social landscape adjusts. These are the men who are red pill ragers because the duplicity of females keeps them from being in relationships

Another type of mgtow is the true forced lonliness. Tfls are guys that are just physically unappealing to women. They've never been in long term relationships have few or no causal encounters. Nerds dweebs fatties basement dwellers low t just unappealing. So they are mgtow by default. They recognize women want nothing to do with them so they reject women as well.

The third type of mgtow is the guy who realizes that women are liabilities. That involvement with females does nothing but curtail your fun and deplete resources. These men value their freedom over everything. Generally these men are good looking and financially well off so they naturally draw female attention. They usually have strings of causal relationships and when the girl wants to get too serious he just drops her.

The fourth type is the burn victim. This is the guy who has either been in the court system for some combination of divorce and child support. He witnessed a woman who he loved and thought returned those feelings, absolutely decimate and defame him in court. It's at this time he realizes she was only in it for the money. So this guy is distraught, alienated and financially devastated. He just learned a life lesson the hard way. Don't trust these hoes, they don't love you.

All these scenarios are applicable to women as well.

We all got stories of somebody taking advantage of us or know somebody who has, are or know ppl that just ain't that attractive and blame their lack of game on the opposite sex, or ppl that just flat out don't wana be told what to do and won't succumb to a relationship/marriage...or at least not a traditional one.

Tf is the point of putting a name to this basic ass shit. Don't wana be married and tie yourself financially forever to a spouse and kids, then don't. Who cares. This ain't no earth shattering shit. It's 2017 do what you wana do.

For whatever reason this seems like a foreign concept to most. People cant just do shit without it being a movement whether is feminism, mgtow, political affiliation etc.

In normal terms, meaning, as long as no crazy ass war breaks out or some wild environmental shit happens, or something else that is way above me that I cant control happens, no man or woman can effect my life in a positive or negative way unless I let him.

Mgtow, and feminism, and similar movements all seem like a bunch of victims crying over shit that they have control over to me.

I feel like it's necessary if these groups are tryna enact change to things that actually will make things equal between sexes and hold each other accountable. Like I personally don't believe in alimony or spousal support unless a spouse was a homemaker or made waaaaay less...and even then it should be capped a certain amount of years to allow the other person to get back on their feet. Especially if there's kids involved. And I don't believe in ridiculous amounts of child support or the threat of jail if said amount cant be paid cuz that doesn't encourage co-parenting.

But i totally agree that at the end of the day you have complete control over your social interactions and who you fuck or get in relationships with. Vet your partners. If bitch/nigga ain't pulling their weight in your eyes, drop em and move on. Do not fucking marry them.

I mean, sure. It's not like you can be sued if an engagement doesn't fully go through, and you change your mind, right?

Oops, never mind....

Yep......here, too.

But I mean, OK. It's not like if relationship doesn't even make it to an engagement, the course have no effect. After all, if no one gets engaged, no real promises have been made to anyone, so muhfuckas should be safe on that, right?

You're wrong...

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

The motto is work smart not work hard.

Each and everyone of your weak rebuttals has been fully rebuffed by plenty of people doing in-depth research and investigating.

Biggest example is the "best interests of the child" scam. Children are exponentially more likely to be abused in the homes of single mothers than single fathers. The reason the courts award custody to mothers more is because divorce lawyers often coach women to fabricate instances of abuse in order to be awarded custody.

Secondly, men often make more than the woman so child support often becomes an issue. The courts get paid from child support. Conflict of interests detected.

Women lie about everything under the sun, including rape.


Why women lie about rape

Use ur words bruh

Less than 25% of single parent households are headed by single fathers. And like u said single mothers tend to have fewer resources, i.e. less time and money to allocate to parenting, which often leads to neglect

That said, i never made a case for or against the "best interests of the child" doctrine. And I'm not arguing mothers are inherently better at raising children. A myth that has historically been used to keep women out the work place, in the house and codependent

My argument is that the tender years doctrine came about because the courts agreed that the child's interest should take precedence over the man's right to his children - SEE: women still not having a legal right to the children at the time - and maternal care (if the mother was not seen as at fault in the divorce proceedings) was considered at the time again by both men and women to be in the child's best interest

Even after the fact if the mother was proved to have committed adultery or to have left her husband to what the state considered to be "unfit" reasons, she was deemed unfit and the best interests of the child was then considered to be living with the father

General the entirety of child support payments go to the custodial parent unless he or she receives cash assistance from the state...with the exception of processing fees some states may impose which makes sense

Still many men have fallen victim to judges who side with gender over parenting skills. And still do today. That is because statutes, laws alone aren’t enough to change preconceived biases

I never made the case women dont lie about rape. Some have tried to make the case, like some like to argue women lying about rape is the norm. But like ur home girl from the vid says the evidence to suggest how often it occurs is inconclusive. She describes herself as a feminist so we arent all bad. And we're not a monolith. She also admitted that historically rape and sexual assault cases were not taken seriously and women often blamed for there attack so shes seems like a fair minded person you could learn a lot from her

But like i said its alot of bullshit going around from both sides ...

Lol @ weak

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Lol @ Selfishness being a feminine attribute...comments like this is why the convo gets contentious

And expound on how divorce laws are leading to a soceital collaspe or to more human suffering

Prior to no fault divorce laws and the likes of the tender years doctrine, women ( who make up 50-51% of the pop) could potentially get stuck in abusive and unhappy marriages because they faced poverty and the very real threat of being deprived of seeing their children. Now at least women have options

Not to say these these laws are perfect or havent had any averse effects that can be addressed...the answer is not to go back in time..nor is stigmatizing life styles...

Please can we stop romanticizing the past

 

[LEMZIMUS_RAMSEY]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Lol @ Selfishness being a feminine attribute...comments like this is why the convo gets contentious

And expound on how divorce laws are leading to a soceital collaspe or to more human suffering

Prior to no fault divorce laws and the likes of the tender years doctrine, women ( who make up 50-51% of the pop) could potentially get stuck in abusive and unhappy marriages because they faced poverty and the very real threat of being deprived of seeing their children. Now at least women have options

Not to say these these laws are perfect or havent had any averse effects that can be addressed...the answer is not to go back in time..nor is stigmatizing life styles...

Please can we stop romanticizing the past

Romanticizing the past hell no.

"Now at least they got options" ... IT APPEAR THAT YET

 

[Will Munny]

If chicks just let me do anal life I would never need to MGTOW. I don’t even wanna do anal I just wanna know they’d let if I wanted to.

 

[atribecalledgabi]

You have a couple different types of mgtow.

Your average mgtow man is a bloke who wants the stability of a relationship, the wife the family etc etc but they recognize how dubious and detrimental the set up is with women either cheating and divorcing cuckolding and divorcing or just cutting off sex period. So these men go mgtow as the only logical course of action until the legal and social landscape adjusts. These are the men who are red pill ragers because the duplicity of females keeps them from being in relationships

Another type of mgtow is the true forced lonliness. Tfls are guys that are just physically unappealing to women. They've never been in long term relationships have few or no causal encounters. Nerds dweebs fatties basement dwellers low t just unappealing. So they are mgtow by default. They recognize women want nothing to do with them so they reject women as well.

The third type of mgtow is the guy who realizes that women are liabilities. That involvement with females does nothing but curtail your fun and deplete resources. These men value their freedom over everything. Generally these men are good looking and financially well off so they naturally draw female attention. They usually have strings of causal relationships and when the girl wants to get too serious he just drops her.

The fourth type is the burn victim. This is the guy who has either been in the court system for some combination of divorce and child support. He witnessed a woman who he loved and thought returned those feelings, absolutely decimate and defame him in court. It's at this time he realizes she was only in it for the money. So this guy is distraught, alienated and financially devastated. He just learned a life lesson the hard way. Don't trust these hoes, they don't love you.

All these scenarios are applicable to women as well.

We all got stories of somebody taking advantage of us or know somebody who has, are or know ppl that just ain't that attractive and blame their lack of game on the opposite sex, or ppl that just flat out don't wana be told what to do and won't succumb to a relationship/marriage...or at least not a traditional one.

Tf is the point of putting a name to this basic ass shit. Don't wana be married and tie yourself financially forever to a spouse and kids, then don't. Who cares. This ain't no earth shattering shit. It's 2017 do what you wana do.

For whatever reason this seems like a foreign concept to most. People cant just do shit without it being a movement whether is feminism, mgtow, political affiliation etc.

In normal terms, meaning, as long as no crazy ass war breaks out or some wild environmental shit happens, or something else that is way above me that I cant control happens, no man or woman can effect my life in a positive or negative way unless I let him.

Mgtow, and feminism, and similar movements all seem like a bunch of victims crying over shit that they have control over to me.

I feel like it's necessary if these groups are tryna enact change to things that actually will make things equal between sexes and hold each other accountable. Like I personally don't believe in alimony or spousal support unless a spouse was a homemaker or made waaaaay less...and even then it should be capped a certain amount of years to allow the other person to get back on their feet. Especially if there's kids involved. And I don't believe in ridiculous amounts of child support or the threat of jail if said amount cant be paid cuz that doesn't encourage co-parenting.

But i totally agree that at the end of the day you have complete control over your social interactions and who you fuck or get in relationships with. Vet your partners. If bitch/nigga ain't pulling their weight in your eyes, drop em and move on. Do not fucking marry them.

I mean, sure. It's not like you can be sued if an engagement doesn't fully go through, and you change your mind, right?

Oops, never mind....

Yep......here, too.

But I mean, OK. It's not like if relationship doesn't even make it to an engagement, the course have no effect. After all, if no one gets engaged, no real promises have been made to anyone, so muhfuckas should be safe on that, right?

You're wrong...

Ok...and I disagree with that. You gon post something else that ima say i disagree with and wouldn't do and know other women who also wouldn't?

I mean....what are we doing here? Are you gonna completely stop interacting with women altogether for the rest of your life or are you gonna do you and do you what you want in your relationships? Like I've been saying...

 

[gorilla]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Lol @ Selfishness being a feminine attribute...comments like this is why the convo gets contentious

And expound on how divorce laws are leading to a soceital collaspe or to more human suffering

Prior to no fault divorce laws and the likes of the tender years doctrine, women ( who make up 50-51% of the pop) could potentially get stuck in abusive and unhappy marriages because they faced poverty and the very real threat of being deprived of seeing their children. Now at least women have options

Not to say these these laws are perfect or havent had any averse effects that can be addressed...the answer is not to go back in time..nor is stigmatizing life styles...

Please can we stop romanticizing the past

I literally JUST had a convo with my homie about women being more selfish than men by nature. Men have an instinct to protect and provide. That takes a certain level of selflessness. Nit to say men arent and cant be selfish, but I think women are more prone to it.

I wont titanagraph on this point so you got it champ.

 

[Mister B.]

You have a couple different types of mgtow.

Your average mgtow man is a bloke who wants the stability of a relationship, the wife the family etc etc but they recognize how dubious and detrimental the set up is with women either cheating and divorcing cuckolding and divorcing or just cutting off sex period. So these men go mgtow as the only logical course of action until the legal and social landscape adjusts. These are the men who are red pill ragers because the duplicity of females keeps them from being in relationships

Another type of mgtow is the true forced lonliness. Tfls are guys that are just physically unappealing to women. They've never been in long term relationships have few or no causal encounters. Nerds dweebs fatties basement dwellers low t just unappealing. So they are mgtow by default. They recognize women want nothing to do with them so they reject women as well.

The third type of mgtow is the guy who realizes that women are liabilities. That involvement with females does nothing but curtail your fun and deplete resources. These men value their freedom over everything. Generally these men are good looking and financially well off so they naturally draw female attention. They usually have strings of causal relationships and when the girl wants to get too serious he just drops her.

The fourth type is the burn victim. This is the guy who has either been in the court system for some combination of divorce and child support. He witnessed a woman who he loved and thought returned those feelings, absolutely decimate and defame him in court. It's at this time he realizes she was only in it for the money. So this guy is distraught, alienated and financially devastated. He just learned a life lesson the hard way. Don't trust these hoes, they don't love you.

All these scenarios are applicable to women as well.

We all got stories of somebody taking advantage of us or know somebody who has, are or know ppl that just ain't that attractive and blame their lack of game on the opposite sex, or ppl that just flat out don't wana be told what to do and won't succumb to a relationship/marriage...or at least not a traditional one.

Tf is the point of putting a name to this basic ass shit. Don't wana be married and tie yourself financially forever to a spouse and kids, then don't. Who cares. This ain't no earth shattering shit. It's 2017 do what you wana do.

For whatever reason this seems like a foreign concept to most. People cant just do shit without it being a movement whether is feminism, mgtow, political affiliation etc.

In normal terms, meaning, as long as no crazy ass war breaks out or some wild environmental shit happens, or something else that is way above me that I cant control happens, no man or woman can effect my life in a positive or negative way unless I let him.

Mgtow, and feminism, and similar movements all seem like a bunch of victims crying over shit that they have control over to me.

I feel like it's necessary if these groups are tryna enact change to things that actually will make things equal between sexes and hold each other accountable. Like I personally don't believe in alimony or spousal support unless a spouse was a homemaker or made waaaaay less...and even then it should be capped a certain amount of years to allow the other person to get back on their feet. Especially if there's kids involved. And I don't believe in ridiculous amounts of child support or the threat of jail if said amount cant be paid cuz that doesn't encourage co-parenting.

But i totally agree that at the end of the day you have complete control over your social interactions and who you fuck or get in relationships with. Vet your partners. If bitch/nigga ain't pulling their weight in your eyes, drop em and move on. Do not fucking marry them.

I mean, sure. It's not like you can be sued if an engagement doesn't fully go through, and you change your mind, right?

Oops, never mind....

Yep......here, too.

But I mean, OK. It's not like if relationship doesn't even make it to an engagement, the course have no effect. After all, if no one gets engaged, no real promises have been made to anyone, so muhfuckas should be safe on that, right?

You're wrong...

Ok...and I disagree with that. You gon post something else that ima say i disagree with and wouldn't do and know other women who also wouldn't?

I mean....what are we doing here? Are you gonna completely stop interacting with women altogether for the rest of your life or are you gonna do you and do you what you want in your relationships? Like I've been saying...

Nah. I'm just pointing out and putting the hypocrisy on front street, where it needs to be.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Psmag says,

New Evidence That Women Are Less Selfish Than Men
https://psmag.com/news/new-evidence-women-are-less-selfish-than-men

 

[LordZuko]

The motto is work smart not work hard.

Each and everyone of your weak rebuttals has been fully rebuffed by plenty of people doing in-depth research and investigating.

Biggest example is the "best interests of the child" scam. Children are exponentially more likely to be abused in the homes of single mothers than single fathers. The reason the courts award custody to mothers more is because divorce lawyers often coach women to fabricate instances of abuse in order to be awarded custody.

Secondly, men often make more than the woman so child support often becomes an issue. The courts get paid from child support. Conflict of interests detected.

Women lie about everything under the sun, including rape.


Why women lie about rape

Use ur words bruh

Less than 25% of single parent households are headed by single fathers. And like u said single mothers tend to have fewer resources, i.e. less time and money to allocate to parenting, which often leads to neglect

That said, i never made a case for or against the "best interests of the child" doctrine. And I'm not arguing mothers are inherently better at raising children. A myth that has historically been used to keep women out the work place, in the house and codependent

My argument is that the tender years doctrine came about because the courts agreed that the child's interest should take precedence over the man's right to his children - SEE: women still not having a legal right to the children at the time - and maternal care (if the mother was not seen as at fault in the divorce proceedings) was considered at the time again by both men and women to be in the child's best interest

Even after the fact if the mother was proved to have committed adultery or to have left her husband to what the state considered to be "unfit" reasons, she was deemed unfit and the best interests of the child was then considered to be living with the father

General the entirety of child support payments go to the custodial parent unless he or she receives cash assistance from the state...with the exception of processing fees some states may impose which makes sense

Still many men have fallen victim to judges who side with gender over parenting skills. And still do today. That is because statutes, laws alone aren’t enough to change preconceived biases

I never made the case women dont lie about rape. Some have tried to make the case, like some like to argue women lying about rape is the norm. But like ur home girl from the vid says the evidence to suggest how often it occurs is inconclusive. She describes herself as a feminist so we arent all bad. And we're not a monolith. She also admitted that historically rape and sexual assault cases were not taken seriously and women often blamed for there attack so shes seems like a fair minded person you could learn a lot from her

But like i said its alot of bullshit going around from both sides ...

Lol @ weak

I said abuse. Not just neglect. Physical, emotional. You seem to be interested in making excuses for women. It's easy to not have kids if you can't financially support them.

The results for false rape accusations are inconclusive because females who do such things are rarely charged. If they are it's for filing false police reports or some other crime associated with wasting time. False accusers aren't charged with felonies they Damn sure aren't threatened with sentences or ostracism that the accused face.

Christina Hoff Somers is a feminist in name only. She struggles with the cognitive dissonance that comes with having done more to dismantle feminism than any mra or mgtow.

The bullshit that feminists have orchestrated over the past 40+ years is nothing short of state sponsored dissolution of the state's biggest threat, which is men. The state stepped in as a husband and father figure to which the woman would have no obligation or duty to. In return women only engaged in concerted efforts to remove men from the family, criminalize and demonize them socially. Silence and censor any and all narratives that contradict the feminist propaganda

Mgtow may not be 100% spot on but they've peeped game. The extent of their bullshit results in men just not fuckin with women. Not tryna send them to jail, not trying to remove them from families or strip their money away from them, or use the state for various levels of proxy violence.

So the whole "there's bullshit on both sides" is false equivalence like a motherfucker.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

lol this whole attitude that I am only worried about me is also a function of the slow collapse of society and is very feminine as selfishness is not really a male virtue.

One of the benefits of laws is that they serve to mitigate the results of bad human decisions, the family/divorce laws in the western world only increase the suffering of people therefore they are bad laws and should be changed.

the argument that they these laws fuck over both sexes therefore we should both just suck it up is a ridiculous argument because if goes against the very social utility of the law

Lol @ Selfishness being a feminine attribute...comments like this is why the convo gets contentious

And expound on how divorce laws are leading to a soceital collaspe or to more human suffering

Prior to no fault divorce laws and the likes of the tender years doctrine, women ( who make up 50-51% of the pop) could potentially get stuck in abusive and unhappy marriages because they faced poverty and the very real threat of being deprived of seeing their children. Now at least women have options

Not to say these these laws are perfect or havent had any averse effects that can be addressed...the answer is not to go back in time..nor is stigmatizing life styles...

Please can we stop romanticizing the past

I literally JUST had a convo with my homie about women being more selfish than men by nature. Men have an instinct to protect and provide. That takes a certain level of selflessness. Nit to say men arent and cant be selfish, but I think women are more prone to it.

I wont titanagraph on this point so you got it champ.

I counter that selflessness requires a certain amount of empathy. Empathy requires the ability to, understand the feelings of another person. And women tend to outperform men on nearly all emotional intelligence measures
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...outperform-men-in-emotional-intelligence/amp/

I'd also argue with many men I've encountered their main focus is with projecting an image of strengh and dominance and doing things to reaffirm his masculinity...opposed to doing things to best address the needs and concerns of others

And from my observations with relationships and sex, women tend to let their husbands or bfs influence their decision making and behavior by taking their opinions and feelings into account. ...whereas alot of men see compromise and accepting the influence of their girl as being emasculating

You know the men who rather his family go without because the thought of his wife or girl working or making more money than him is emasculating

The men whose biggest fear is not being needed by his wife or girl. How can he control her then?

Y'all talk about women getting jealous of a ps4. But what about these men out here jealous of their wife's or girls relationship with her or their child

That said, there is no concrete evidence that says without a doubt say one sex is more or less selfish. Ppl naturally are self involved. There is also a lot of social conditioning involved. And my granddad is prob the most altruistic person I've ever known. I believe its really situational

 

[LordZuko]

Women use empathy as a means to emotionally manipulate

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Women use empathy as a means to emotionally manipulate

I've lost count how many times a man has tried to emotionally manipulate me. As soon as you 'feel moved into action' look for manipulation. Humans in general are very good with this bad habit.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

i will be in here tomorrow with my watered down @CapitalB and @LordZuko approach.

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

The motto is work smart not work hard.

Each and everyone of your weak rebuttals has been fully rebuffed by plenty of people doing in-depth research and investigating.

Biggest example is the "best interests of the child" scam. Children are exponentially more likely to be abused in the homes of single mothers than single fathers. The reason the courts award custody to mothers more is because divorce lawyers often coach women to fabricate instances of abuse in order to be awarded custody.

Secondly, men often make more than the woman so child support often becomes an issue. The courts get paid from child support. Conflict of interests detected.

Women lie about everything under the sun, including rape.


Why women lie about rape

Use ur words bruh

Less than 25% of single parent households are headed by single fathers. And like u said single mothers tend to have fewer resources, i.e. less time and money to allocate to parenting, which often leads to neglect

That said, i never made a case for or against the "best interests of the child" doctrine. And I'm not arguing mothers are inherently better at raising children. A myth that has historically been used to keep women out the work place, in the house and codependent

My argument is that the tender years doctrine came about because the courts agreed that the child's interest should take precedence over the man's right to his children - SEE: women still not having a legal right to the children at the time - and maternal care (if the mother was not seen as at fault in the divorce proceedings) was considered at the time again by both men and women to be in the child's best interest

Even after the fact if the mother was proved to have committed adultery or to have left her husband to what the state considered to be "unfit" reasons, she was deemed unfit and the best interests of the child was then considered to be living with the father

General the entirety of child support payments go to the custodial parent unless he or she receives cash assistance from the state...with the exception of processing fees some states may impose which makes sense

Still many men have fallen victim to judges who side with gender over parenting skills. And still do today. That is because statutes, laws alone aren’t enough to change preconceived biases

I never made the case women dont lie about rape. Some have tried to make the case, like some like to argue women lying about rape is the norm. But like ur home girl from the vid says the evidence to suggest how often it occurs is inconclusive. She describes herself as a feminist so we arent all bad. And we're not a monolith. She also admitted that historically rape and sexual assault cases were not taken seriously and women often blamed for there attack so shes seems like a fair minded person you could learn a lot from her

But like i said its alot of bullshit going around from both sides ...

Lol @ weak

I said abuse. Not just neglect. Physical, emotional. You seem to be interested in making excuses for women. It's easy to not have kids if you can't financially support them.

The results for false rape accusations are inconclusive because females who do such things are rarely charged. If they are it's for filing false police reports or some other crime associated with wasting time. False accusers aren't charged with felonies they Damn sure aren't threatened with sentences or ostracism that the accused face.

Christina Hoff Somers is a feminist in name only. She struggles with the cognitive dissonance that comes with having done more to dismantle feminism than any mra or mgtow.

The bullshit that feminists have orchestrated over the past 40+ years is nothing short of state sponsored dissolution of the state's biggest threat, which is men. The state stepped in as a husband and father figure to which the woman would have no obligation or duty to. In return women only engaged in concerted efforts to remove men from the family, criminalize and demonize them socially. Silence and censor any and all narratives that contradict the feminist propaganda

Mgtow may not be 100% spot on but they've peeped game. The extent of their bullshit results in men just not fuckin with women. Not tryna send them to jail, not trying to remove them from families or strip their money away from them, or use the state for various levels of proxy violence.

So the whole "there's bullshit on both sides" is false equivalence like a motherfucker.

Mgtow is not 100% spot on is really all that needs to be said

The evidence in concerns to how often false rape accusations occur are inconclusive because its incredibly difficult to prove the accuser did not feel as though he or she was victimized. And the case usually hinges on the words of the accused verses the accuser. Even if there are sperm and tears, the accused could argue she wanted it rough. Same reasons why its incredibly difficult to prosecute a rape or sexual assault case and get a conviction. Which is why most rape and sexual assault reports never result in charges. The lacks of charges however doesnt mean a crime did not occur. Not to mention evidence suggest rape and sexual assaults are underreported

Neglecting ur child is typically considered abuse, legally and otherwise

Not making excuses, providing context...which is important especially if u want to make these sweeping generalizations and suggest women and feminist today conspire to imprison and exploit men. Otherwise you run the risk of sounding ignorant...Like you did with the tender years doctrine

Telling half truths and absolving men and the actual culprits of any responsibility of their actions or role they've played isn't whats up

And if I'm not mistaken the state is run by a bunch of old white men who think very little of anyone that isnt white and or doesnt have a dick

But as i said before there is a lot bullshit being pushed out here

Like the idea the misognitic and sexist rhetoric perpetauted by mgtow and others does have little to no real world consequences close to the last 300 + years

I'll end with this, labeling oneself a feminist only supports the very basic premise of gender equality, anything additional is what one makes of it