MGTOWrama : A FEMINIZM CONSEQUENCE

[LPast]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

 

[2stepz_ahead]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

i dont care how much a chick makes....just dont throw it in my face. or act like that gives you some sort of power over me.

 

[gorilla]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

No, WHITE men created the game. Black men and women had the same fucked up hand in this country, then some of our black women sided with the enemy to secure a better position in society. Some black men sold out and became coons for the same reason.

You know the rest. Point is, we keep going in circles and finger pointing making it a man only or woman only issue when it's we issue.

But this thread ain't even about all that. It was simply about the title. I don't follow that MGTOW movement, in fact I laughed at the shit initially. But the fact does remain that it IS a consequence of the feminist movement and nobody in here has successfully refuted that.

Me personally, I been went my own way when I finally learned how to stop thinking with my dick. But I see the gist of what those guys are saying. As whiny as they can come across at times. Hell even in the feminist bullshit I can dig out something of substance to agree with.

And for the love of the road to 99 can yall niggas leave 2k outta this!

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

traditional values are becoming a thing of the past and the marriage rate is down

but the birthrate is at 40, 50 yr lows

single blk women, in particular, are having less children....as well as married blk women

more blk ppl are college educated then ever before

poverty within the blk community are at all time lows

violence is down

yes there is still way more work to do in terms of wealth, but our biggest concern should be education and economic policy ....and to a lesser extent stigmatizing lifestyles

its not a coincidence we see ppl across racial lines in upper income brackets are more likely to get married and stay together

struggling women and men aren't marrying at the same rate as their richer counterparts and more likely to divorce or be serial monogamist not because they are less moral and oversexed. it's mainly because both men and women now no longer have to put up with the kind of behavior that often accompanies the stress that stems from discrimination, chronic unemployment and low wages such as drug or alcohol abuse and domestic violence

not to say marriage isn't a good way to build wealth and generational wealth...but if we can't find jobs promoting marriage isn't a great long term solution

 

[2stepz_ahead]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

No, WHITE men created the game. Black men and women had the same fucked up hand in this country, then some of our black women sided with the enemy to secure a better position in society. Some black men sold out and became coons for the same reason.

You know the rest. Point is, we keep going in circles and finger pointing making it a man only or woman only issue when it's we issue.

But this thread ain't even about all that. It was simply about the title. I don't follow that MGTOW movement, in fact I laughed at the shit initially. But the fact does remain that it IS a consequence of the feminist movement and nobody in here has successfully refuted that.

Me personally, I been went my own way when I finally learned how to stop thinking with my dick. But I see the gist of what those guys are saying. As whiny as they can come across at times. Hell even in the feminist bullshit I can dig out something of substance to agree with.

And for the love of the road to 99 can yall niggas leave 2k outta this!

you calling me whiny bruh?

 

[gorilla]

i honest blame the wanna thug super alpha niggas.

so ready to show the world how much of a man they are when they nothing but overgrown kids.

chicks are tall kids and niggas are overgrown kids.

its all thru this site...no nigga ever lost a fight, everybody rich, everybody got a nice car, everybody fukks dime chicks.

no niggas take loses on here. but none of the chicks hold them accountable until afterwards.

alot of chicks fall the salesman of a nigga an not who the dude truly is.

alot of niggas dont take care of they kids.....they ok with every other weekend cause it wont interfere with they pimpin..and bitch pulling. but when they kid gets honors in high school....these niggas poppin up like ricki bobbys dad like aint shit happen.

niggas aint teaching they lil girls what men are. the father is her first example. but they rather be absentee or barely around an wonder why poppin it at the elementary school is the thing to do...niggas then look at the mom.

nigga wanna have feel good moments when niggas coming home from prison after 10 years...an thats cool.

but a nigga who has he newborn with him....he aint the one thats proven yet. but niggas ok with the jailbird.

why is fukery the rule and making something of yourself the exception?

i understand the whole police thing, bad hood thing, drug epidemic thing. i get all that. but when is it ever ok...to allow a group of niggas to run your hood on fukk nigga rules?

niggas is ass backwards and full of shit an wonder why alot of these chick are fukked up and desire fukked up shit.

everyone is responsible for their own actions.....but there are leaders that stand above them...who rather do fukk shit to lead an have people have fun vs being a real leader.

you either lead your people to the bar or to greatness.

most niggas rather go to the bar and drop $300 on a bitch that aint got no daddy cause she easier to pull with her daddy issues.

man let me stop.

you niggas aint ready for me to go in

Everything you mention stems from one thing: Lack of fathers in homes. When the women are left to solely raise the children, we get men who have always seen a woman lead and follows her, waits for her direction or you get the hyper masculinity that's plagued our community for so long. And then girls who have never seen a man lead so they reject the whole notion altogether or they fall for the hyper masculine boys.

Black men didn't walk away from the family in droves, they were killed, imprisoned, forced out etc. This was done by design and america has never addressed it nor will it ever. BUT WE haven't properly addressed it either. We have a large percentage of our community basically hurt and misguided that raised more hurt and misguided people till the point where we tear each other apart.

Men are supposed to be leaders. You look at any thriving culture and that's a common theme along with family structure. However, we can't lead women that don't want to be led. So until our women as a whole reject the white womans trick that is feminism, we capable men can only seek out and build with other capable sistas who ain't on that bullshit.

Boys who have been raised with no accountability, no since of manhood are going to become men of the same. It will be the effort of good men and the cooperation of good women that will rebuild our community. Just as we need more good men leading by example, we need the same from our sistas. Shouldn't be no amber roses and kim k's out here being allowed to spread their immoral practices to our little girls. Any good man worth his salt has done his best to make sure his daughter understands that ain't the route to go. But we also need more of our sistas to stop trying to imitate those bitches.

i see where you coming from....

but what about now.

i know a few dudes that are good dudes..and they go outta there way to get to their people and raise them with some sense. aint they kids but we are a village no matter how someone may look at it...

it still goes back to the men.

regardless of those killed and pushed out an all the things mentioned...it still can take a few to lead the masses.

a good leader can lead thousands. we need to purge not only these entitled women but purge fukk niggas as well.

niggas who question every thing like a woman....not for the purpose of learning but for the purpose of trying to prove you aint shit. niggas dont want shit outside of whats given to them and even then ..they have the nerve to act like its not enough or its corny or whatever...anything to follow the crowd an be accepted...like a woman.

man this topic .......man o man.

we need a thread......ill go in ..call niggas out....an might get banned.

i hate to see where my community is right now.

someone once asked me what i learned while living abroad...i said i learned that i dont like alot of my own people.

to see africans, latinos, jamaicans, all these people getting they grind on and making money and the few black amercans hardly interact...act too stuck up or just rather not be seen with other black Americans...then i come back to the states and see niggason tv shooting up people crib cause a man asked niggas to turn down the music... chicks fighting like animals over who goes next in line...like they fighting with alot of hate.

i hate seeing my people not be able to get it together while niggas from the DR getting places and making money. no diss...but alot of these people cant spell and are door know dumb...but they hustling to feed they family.

i got a few hours before im gone for a few days..who wanna fight?

This thread been derailed to hell.

 

[LordZuko]

I leave for a couple hours and it all goes to hell huh?

Mgtow is a philosophy. It has no leaders only practitioners.

Unlike mras mgtow have no desire to reclaim reconcile rejuvenate resurrect any situation with women

Women and children are viewed as an anchor an albatross.

To mgtow men the most important thing is freedom. Which is why the typical feminist and blue pill cuck shaming tactics don't work.

Mgtow is also impervious because it's not about winning debates or changing policy and social perception. It's the WarGame strategy. The only way to win is to not play.

The only way to limit and restrict the probability of damage a female can do to you is by carefully orchestrating your encounters with them. Especially sexually. Or any intimate isolated instance.

Mgtow is not about hating women, although many young men go through the red pill rage. Mgtow is about understanding the nature of a woman so that you are not fooled by what she says and you are better able to interpret her actions.

Men have been conditioned to believe "women are a mystery" so they just throw up their hands in frustration trying to figure her out.

Women, by nature are narcissists that don't think beyond their pussy. Every thought they have is filtered through their womb from menses to menopause.

Women are unaware of their own nature so they lie to themselves. Of course they aren't being real with you. It's impossible.

 

[LordZuko]

There is one truth you need to keep in the center of your heart.

Women do not love men. Women love what men can do for them. The person that a man loves is a performance, it is who she believes she must be in order to get you attached.

It is emotional manipulation 201.

It is why one of the biggest complaints men have post marriage is that the wife doesn't do the stuff she was doing at girlfriend level.

 

[deadeye]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

???

Whose complaining about women making too much money?

 

[sunlord]

i honest blame the wanna thug super alpha niggas.

so ready to show the world how much of a man they are when they nothing but overgrown kids.

chicks are tall kids and niggas are overgrown kids.

its all thru this site...no nigga ever lost a fight, everybody rich, everybody got a nice car, everybody fukks dime chicks.

no niggas take loses on here. but none of the chicks hold them accountable until afterwards.

alot of chicks fall the salesman of a nigga an not who the dude truly is.

alot of niggas dont take care of they kids.....they ok with every other weekend cause it wont interfere with they pimpin..and bitch pulling. but when they kid gets honors in high school....these niggas poppin up like ricki bobbys dad like aint shit happen.

niggas aint teaching they lil girls what men are. the father is her first example. but they rather be absentee or barely around an wonder why poppin it at the elementary school is the thing to do...niggas then look at the mom.

nigga wanna have feel good moments when niggas coming home from prison after 10 years...an thats cool.

but a nigga who has he newborn with him....he aint the one thats proven yet. but niggas ok with the jailbird.

why is fukery the rule and making something of yourself the exception?

i understand the whole police thing, bad hood thing, drug epidemic thing. i get all that. but when is it ever ok...to allow a group of niggas to run your hood on fukk nigga rules?

niggas is ass backwards and full of shit an wonder why alot of these chick are fukked up and desire fukked up shit.

everyone is responsible for their own actions.....but there are leaders that stand above them...who rather do fukk shit to lead an have people have fun vs being a real leader.

you either lead your people to the bar or to greatness.

most niggas rather go to the bar and drop $300 on a bitch that aint got no daddy cause she easier to pull with her daddy issues.

man let me stop.

you niggas aint ready for me to go in

In other words...niggas aint' the leaders they claim to be but want to blame everyone but themselves for it...thus further making this mgtow shit stupid

nigga you still don't get it.............. men can no longer lead THE FAMILY because government has made us doing so almost impossible. THEY FUCKED THE CULTURE UP

Men still can and do lead their families. Are there multiple factors that have led to the amount of single parent homes, and by single parent I mean fathers completely out of the picture not just parents who are no longer together, one of which is actions of the government..yes. is also a large part of that simply niggas choosing on their own to not be involved more in their children's lives...yes...and the amount of bitter ass "I never knew my dad even though he lived 3 blocks away" niggas out here prove that

The bold would be much less prevalent if the government was not so gynocentric and did not operate under anti-male laws. Men IN GENERAL don't lead the family anymore women simply give us the illusions that we do, men are simply being used.

As long as women can divorce you anytime she feels like it for any reason and take half your shit it means the real power is with her. whatever you can destroy you control and women with the help of the government destroyed the traditional family. Because it no longer served their selfish needs.

and women do initiate most divorces

 

[LPast]

There is one truth you need to keep in the center of your heart.

Women do not love men. Women love what men can do for them. The person that a man loves is a performance, it is who she believes she must be in order to get you attached.

It is emotional manipulation 201.

It is why one of the biggest complaints men have post marriage is that the wife doesn't do the stuff she was doing at girlfriend level.

Have you been married?

Y'all need to share your PERSONAL experiences because y'all are giving off the Elliot Rogers vibe...

 

[blackrain]

i honest blame the wanna thug super alpha niggas.

so ready to show the world how much of a man they are when they nothing but overgrown kids.

chicks are tall kids and niggas are overgrown kids.

its all thru this site...no nigga ever lost a fight, everybody rich, everybody got a nice car, everybody fukks dime chicks.

no niggas take loses on here. but none of the chicks hold them accountable until afterwards.

alot of chicks fall the salesman of a nigga an not who the dude truly is.

alot of niggas dont take care of they kids.....they ok with every other weekend cause it wont interfere with they pimpin..and bitch pulling. but when they kid gets honors in high school....these niggas poppin up like ricki bobbys dad like aint shit happen.

niggas aint teaching they lil girls what men are. the father is her first example. but they rather be absentee or barely around an wonder why poppin it at the elementary school is the thing to do...niggas then look at the mom.

nigga wanna have feel good moments when niggas coming home from prison after 10 years...an thats cool.

but a nigga who has he newborn with him....he aint the one thats proven yet. but niggas ok with the jailbird.

why is fukery the rule and making something of yourself the exception?

i understand the whole police thing, bad hood thing, drug epidemic thing. i get all that. but when is it ever ok...to allow a group of niggas to run your hood on fukk nigga rules?

niggas is ass backwards and full of shit an wonder why alot of these chick are fukked up and desire fukked up shit.

everyone is responsible for their own actions.....but there are leaders that stand above them...who rather do fukk shit to lead an have people have fun vs being a real leader.

you either lead your people to the bar or to greatness.

most niggas rather go to the bar and drop $300 on a bitch that aint got no daddy cause she easier to pull with her daddy issues.

man let me stop.

you niggas aint ready for me to go in

In other words...niggas aint' the leaders they claim to be but want to blame everyone but themselves for it...thus further making this mgtow shit stupid

nigga you still don't get it.............. men can no longer lead THE FAMILY because government has made us doing so almost impossible. THEY FUCKED THE CULTURE UP

Men still can and do lead their families. Are there multiple factors that have led to the amount of single parent homes, and by single parent I mean fathers completely out of the picture not just parents who are no longer together, one of which is actions of the government..yes. is also a large part of that simply niggas choosing on their own to not be involved more in their children's lives...yes...and the amount of bitter ass "I never knew my dad even though he lived 3 blocks away" niggas out here prove that

The bold would be much less prevalent if the government was not so gynocentric and did not operate under anti-male laws. Men IN GENERAL don't lead the family anymore women simply give us the illusions that we do, men are simply being used.

As long as women can divorce you anytime she feels like it for any reason and take half your shit it means the real power is with her. whatever you can destroy you control and women with the help of the government destroyed the traditional family. Because it no longer served their selfish needs.

and women do initiate most divorces

You do realize that the government is ran by men and are the driving force behind many of these "anti male" laws you complain about. So men are creating laws that go against their own well being and self interest.

As for the divorce shit as I said in the thread about the benefits of marriage you act as if men don't just up and divorce or leave their wives too. A man can divorce is wife any time he feels like it as well and often do. Thats why you got all these older dudes dating women in their 20s after trading in their wife for a younger model types running around here.

 

[Shuffington]

This was my personal choice based off of what I felt was best for me.... but my biggest "MGTOW" move was to decide that I didn't want kids. That shyt changes up the dynamic of a relationship... because Im of the belief that 99.9789% of women want kid/s at some point...

So Me being SMALL scale successful, the women whom Ive engaged with are always trying to accidentally get pregnant or on some level voluntarily naive. Sure it might be a biological desire thats hard to fight, or they just like it raw and they trust me. But it always amazes me how these educated women don't mind taking the risk (to gamble with a possible pregnancy).

Being responsible for my own sperm at all times (pause) has allowed me to control my own destiny for the time being.

 

[Shuffington]

Y'all saying a lot of ish I agree with, but 3 things...

1. I haven't met all these black feminist that y'all are talking about.

2. Most of what y'all are complaining about is a direct reflection of men.

3. Why does your woman or prospects make more than you?

I can break down #2 until the cows come home.

Example: How many men in here, if they met the woman of his dreams wait on her if she said she was waiting to get married BEFORE she had any kind of sex?

Very few... If you look at that in terms of supply and demand, you have damn near created a market for the acceptance of hoes.

Niggas did ask for it.

Its been a race to the bottom for years now.

Dudes want sex nut barely know the lady.

He sleeps with her but doesn't respect that she gave it up so easily.

But if she made him wait then he's a simp, and feels disrespected.

Niggas wanted hoes that pop pussy for FB and allows herself to be recorded or whatever because it makes her sound "fun" but that's not what he's interested in long term.

So all these "free love" superliberals promoting an oversexed society now have to deal with sagging marriage rates and kids being born out of wedlock.

Pretty much niggas got what they were asking for and are now complaining about the type of women who are becoming the shit that they said they desired...

NO ME ! :#

 

[gorilla]

why do you keep saying this?

change aint a bad thing as long as its benefiting you.

these chicks going to college an shit just want options.

if i find a man great..i can fall back an dont have to use my degree and can have him pay for the loan

or

if i dont find a man, great..i can sleep around and be free and young an have simps pay for my loan

but if they can find a man...then its because its not men that meet their standards or just not enough of them.

nah thats crap....maybe its because these women dont hold themselves like women but more like objects that can be manipulated with a dream thats sold.

how many women be on that..."i aint got time for a man" when they building or getting money or enjoying life? yet want to be apart of someone whos established.

nah lady...its a fly in your soup.

Fact is for many single women under 30 with no children they will have a hard time meeting a male counterpart their age whose earning ability meets or exceeds their own

For college educated blk women who want a college educated blk man the dating pool is even smaller



Will women have to adjust there standards yes. But this idea that taking a persons financial situation into consideration is objectifying or should discouraged is bunk

The bolded is part of the problem

You keep mentioning earning ability and level of education.......but nothing at all about compatibility and/or how well the man treats/respects you.

Don't set yourself up like that. Those are character traits. Numerous studies and dating coaches have revealed that Black women in particular do not consider character or principles when considering a partner. First they consider his fashion, then anatomy then his sexual performance then his finances. But fashion sort of clues them in on fashion. If he spends money on high end clothes for himself it indicates his financial level, but also that he'll do the same for her.

shit this is far from the truth in my case.....wife got all this high priced shit an i wear $40 sneakers.

@blakfiya

LOL SMH but who's fault is that at the bolded, if u really the leader in ur house as a man is allegedly supposed to be?

lemme find out it's really ur wife who makes all the money in ur house......that would make sense that u would be nothing more than just a dependent on her taxes

or are u just admitting to us all that u just a simp of the highest degree? grow some balls and man up my nigga, don't let wifey play u like that :joy:

she secured her position by holding me down. so shoes and shit dont mean nothing to me..its when it mattered that she stood tall next to me that matters. if that whats she asks for ....she deserves it.

you need to man up an give a nigga credit. you still want to try to prove i aint got what i say even tho its been proven for years. you the only nigga focused on that.

gotta let it go bruh.



an what man would not give his wife the world if he could?



you bitter for nothing

@ the bold...look at the name of the group in the thread title...

true but would those women deserve it? its one thing to be entitled and another to deserve and earn the right to ask for whatever.

the women being mentioned in this thread are entitled, self serving and selfish.

they want to take it all without struggle or sacrifice and give nothing back...because thats what a man should do.

From what I'm reading in here there is no distinction between women who deserve it and women who feel entitled. It's just "women"

there is a clear distinction.

its just the percentages of women who are feeling entitled are going up at a rate that it shouldnt nor is it sustainable.

im just glad i lucked up.

but still .....the girlfriends an shit....them hoes be tripping.

People in general feel entitled to shit they shouldn't have. It's a bunch of niggas who don't make progress in shit but MyPlayer on NBA2k talking about what they "deserve" from a woman. Ain't shit people will always exist as they always have. I'm also of the belief that if you constantly coming across people who you deem to be not worth a shit then you need to reevaluate the people you surround yourself with as well.

You can't keep blaming everyone else and not also do some self reflection about why you may end up in the same types of situations over and over again

Ironically, it can be argued that the bolded is exactly what's behind the MGTOW movement.

They see how the game is rigged, so they stop playing the game.

Granted, they do seem to be blaming women.........but they're also blaming themselves for falling for the bullshit as well.

So by........"going their own way"...........they're actually taking responsibility for their past mistakes by embracing a philosophy/mentality that'll help prevent them from making those same mistakes again.

How is the game rigged... When men created the game?

Men can't go their own way without absolving themselves of their leadership responsibilities...aka a piece of their manhood.

Y'all keep maxing out the stats in 2K though...

Women are complaining about equal pay, but y'all are complaining about women making too much money... What does that tell you...

No, WHITE men created the game. Black men and women had the same fucked up hand in this country, then some of our black women sided with the enemy to secure a better position in society. Some black men sold out and became coons for the same reason.

You know the rest. Point is, we keep going in circles and finger pointing making it a man only or woman only issue when it's we issue.

But this thread ain't even about all that. It was simply about the title. I don't follow that MGTOW movement, in fact I laughed at the shit initially. But the fact does remain that it IS a consequence of the feminist movement and nobody in here has successfully refuted that.

Me personally, I been went my own way when I finally learned how to stop thinking with my dick. But I see the gist of what those guys are saying. As whiny as they can come across at times. Hell even in the feminist bullshit I can dig out something of substance to agree with.

And for the love of the road to 99 can yall niggas leave 2k outta this!

you calling me whiny bruh?

You official MGTOW?

 

[LordZuko]

There is one truth you need to keep in the center of your heart.

Women do not love men. Women love what men can do for them. The person that a man loves is a performance, it is who she believes she must be in order to get you attached.

It is emotional manipulation 201.

It is why one of the biggest complaints men have post marriage is that the wife doesn't do the stuff she was doing at girlfriend level.

Have you been married?

Y'all need to share your PERSONAL experiences because y'all are giving off the Elliot Rogers vibe...

Shaming tactics don't work here. Invoking the memory of an unhinged murderer is ad hominem.

I could share one story or ten it doesn't matter because the plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[sunlord]

i honest blame the wanna thug super alpha niggas.

so ready to show the world how much of a man they are when they nothing but overgrown kids.

chicks are tall kids and niggas are overgrown kids.

its all thru this site...no nigga ever lost a fight, everybody rich, everybody got a nice car, everybody fukks dime chicks.

no niggas take loses on here. but none of the chicks hold them accountable until afterwards.

alot of chicks fall the salesman of a nigga an not who the dude truly is.

alot of niggas dont take care of they kids.....they ok with every other weekend cause it wont interfere with they pimpin..and bitch pulling. but when they kid gets honors in high school....these niggas poppin up like ricki bobbys dad like aint shit happen.

niggas aint teaching they lil girls what men are. the father is her first example. but they rather be absentee or barely around an wonder why poppin it at the elementary school is the thing to do...niggas then look at the mom.

nigga wanna have feel good moments when niggas coming home from prison after 10 years...an thats cool.

but a nigga who has he newborn with him....he aint the one thats proven yet. but niggas ok with the jailbird.

why is fukery the rule and making something of yourself the exception?

i understand the whole police thing, bad hood thing, drug epidemic thing. i get all that. but when is it ever ok...to allow a group of niggas to run your hood on fukk nigga rules?

niggas is ass backwards and full of shit an wonder why alot of these chick are fukked up and desire fukked up shit.

everyone is responsible for their own actions.....but there are leaders that stand above them...who rather do fukk shit to lead an have people have fun vs being a real leader.

you either lead your people to the bar or to greatness.

most niggas rather go to the bar and drop $300 on a bitch that aint got no daddy cause she easier to pull with her daddy issues.

man let me stop.

you niggas aint ready for me to go in

In other words...niggas aint' the leaders they claim to be but want to blame everyone but themselves for it...thus further making this mgtow shit stupid

nigga you still don't get it.............. men can no longer lead THE FAMILY because government has made us doing so almost impossible. THEY FUCKED THE CULTURE UP

Men still can and do lead their families. Are there multiple factors that have led to the amount of single parent homes, and by single parent I mean fathers completely out of the picture not just parents who are no longer together, one of which is actions of the government..yes. is also a large part of that simply niggas choosing on their own to not be involved more in their children's lives...yes...and the amount of bitter ass "I never knew my dad even though he lived 3 blocks away" niggas out here prove that

The bold would be much less prevalent if the government was not so gynocentric and did not operate under anti-male laws. Men IN GENERAL don't lead the family anymore women simply give us the illusions that we do, men are simply being used.

As long as women can divorce you anytime she feels like it for any reason and take half your shit it means the real power is with her. whatever you can destroy you control and women with the help of the government destroyed the traditional family. Because it no longer served their selfish needs.

and women do initiate most divorces

You do realize that the government is ran by men and are the driving force behind many of these "anti male" laws you complain about. So men are creating laws that go against their own well being and self interest.

As for the divorce shit as I said in the thread about the benefits of marriage you act as if men don't just up and divorce or leave their wives too. A man can divorce is wife any time he feels like it as well and often do. Thats why you got all these older dudes dating women in their 20s after trading in their wife for a younger model types running around here.

No you are confused because you have bought into the illusions. The government is not really run by men and by MEN I MEAN the 80-98 % of the male population. The government is really controlled by corporate entities and they have no soul or interest in the well being of males or females.

a man can ask for a divorce but most divorces are initiated by women because for the average man asking for a divorce is like asking to lose a fucking eyeball , the wife can take the money, the house and the children. For most men divorce isn't something that WE do it's something that is done to US. The vast majority of men don't leave their wives for 20 year olds our wives divorce us and THEN we get the 20 year old.

SO " trade up" is the wrong term it's more like we "fall up"

 

[deadeye]

i honest blame the wanna thug super alpha niggas.

so ready to show the world how much of a man they are when they nothing but overgrown kids.

chicks are tall kids and niggas are overgrown kids.

its all thru this site...no nigga ever lost a fight, everybody rich, everybody got a nice car, everybody fukks dime chicks.

no niggas take loses on here. but none of the chicks hold them accountable until afterwards.

alot of chicks fall the salesman of a nigga an not who the dude truly is.

alot of niggas dont take care of they kids.....they ok with every other weekend cause it wont interfere with they pimpin..and bitch pulling. but when they kid gets honors in high school....these niggas poppin up like ricki bobbys dad like aint shit happen.

niggas aint teaching they lil girls what men are. the father is her first example. but they rather be absentee or barely around an wonder why poppin it at the elementary school is the thing to do...niggas then look at the mom.

nigga wanna have feel good moments when niggas coming home from prison after 10 years...an thats cool.

but a nigga who has he newborn with him....he aint the one thats proven yet. but niggas ok with the jailbird.

why is fukery the rule and making something of yourself the exception?

i understand the whole police thing, bad hood thing, drug epidemic thing. i get all that. but when is it ever ok...to allow a group of niggas to run your hood on fukk nigga rules?

niggas is ass backwards and full of shit an wonder why alot of these chick are fukked up and desire fukked up shit.

everyone is responsible for their own actions.....but there are leaders that stand above them...who rather do fukk shit to lead an have people have fun vs being a real leader.

you either lead your people to the bar or to greatness.

most niggas rather go to the bar and drop $300 on a bitch that aint got no daddy cause she easier to pull with her daddy issues.

man let me stop.

you niggas aint ready for me to go in

In other words...niggas aint' the leaders they claim to be but want to blame everyone but themselves for it...thus further making this mgtow shit stupid

nigga you still don't get it.............. men can no longer lead THE FAMILY because government has made us doing so almost impossible. THEY FUCKED THE CULTURE UP

Men still can and do lead their families. Are there multiple factors that have led to the amount of single parent homes, and by single parent I mean fathers completely out of the picture not just parents who are no longer together, one of which is actions of the government..yes. is also a large part of that simply niggas choosing on their own to not be involved more in their children's lives...yes...and the amount of bitter ass "I never knew my dad even though he lived 3 blocks away" niggas out here prove that

The bold would be much less prevalent if the government was not so gynocentric and did not operate under anti-male laws. Men IN GENERAL don't lead the family anymore women simply give us the illusions that we do, men are simply being used.

As long as women can divorce you anytime she feels like it for any reason and take half your shit it means the real power is with her. whatever you can destroy you control and women with the help of the government destroyed the traditional family. Because it no longer served their selfish needs.

and women do initiate most divorces

Thats why you got all these older dudes dating women in their 20s after trading in their wife for a younger model types running around here.

Looks like that's my cue.

I'm sure you all know what time it is.

For those of you who don't................

 

[Madame_CJSkywalker]

That's a given in this whole conversation. My point is, men never called it "marrying down" then nor do they now. That's an insult and instates an "I'm better than you" attitude which is what we are discussing in here.

But my sista, you neglect to acknowledge that there was just a lot of work especially early on that women could not physically handle. Not that men were just being selfish assholes and keeping all the back breaking even life threatening tasks to themselves. I don't see a women's movement which addressed womens displeasure with not doing that kind of work.

And again, that devaluing "womans work" stuff came from your cac counterparts. Black men and women had the same value (or lack thereof) after being brought to this country in chains. Yet when the enemy came calling, some black women answered and joined them despite the fact that they wouldn't even let them march or congregate with them. Our original culture was one of family structure and women were very much a respected and necessary part of that as they should be today.

marrying down is used to describe when a person marries someone who has less education and lesser assets and or lesser earning potential...never did i suggest that a person who is marrying down is this superior human being...

though i do acknowledge the negative connotations...never meant to offend...but it's useful to describe and study social and economic trends

and marriage was originally though of as solely a business transaction and a way to bridge houses. so while it may have had had a different name, marrying down has always been a thing

it was frowned upon for men of wealth or wealthier families marrying women from lesser families...and vice versa..that was considering marrying down

men of means marrying women who were barren or not thought of as beautiful were considered to be marrying down

patriarchy, sexism was not imported from europe to africa. patriarchy as we know it. but it existed. there is much historical evidence of male dominant systems in precolonial africa where women's rights derived from their fathers and husbands. men could have multiple wives and had more a say in who they could marry

even during the slave trade there was a necessary relationship between colonial officials and some of our leaders. the chiefs would often trade women for resources and favor

and in more contemporary times, as you already know, women of all races around the world have faced systemic barriers to the highest paid professions, such as lawyers, surgeons and physicians, that require an education. colleges were late to accepting female students. not sure how you can justify that

but yes men and women are different. men are generally stronger and bodies more adapt to physical labor. but this idea that women are afraid or shy away from physical labor is bunk. given the opportunity women are more then willing to do "men's work" because it often pays better. for ex, women in the early 1900s america were barred from working underground in the coalmines. once the ban was lifted, women began to trickle in. but such is the case with integrating women into male dominated industry, female workers often faced verbal harassment, physical abuse, and discrimination from management and coworkers without much recourse. even rape. look up the women of north country and what they experienced in the 70s and 80s. even bigger problem for blk women. look up the blk women who sued GM in 76. plenty of stories of territorial harassment women of all races have faced throughout history, across industries and around the world. we see it today in the IT industry

 

[sunlord]

what a load of bullshit... A female in a coal mine in the 1900s put every single man working with her at risk because she would not be able to work as hard or as long and on top of that if there is an emergency her weaker body would be of limited help. She can't drag a 220 pound man out of a cave in

Any kind of physical work that requires all participants to be strong women were barred from firstly because men and women in certain environments simply don't work good together

and because women are physically weaker hiring one of them would be a waste if stronger men are available.