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NothingButTheTruth;455618 said:Lupe is one of the best right now, even all time imo. I give him top 5 right now, and top 10 all-time...For the people that say Joell Ortiz is better than Lupe, WTF?!?! Ortiz is trash. He's way too basic and corny to be compared to Lupe. Joe Budden and Royce are way closer, but still not on Lupe's level. Lupe's peers consist of people like Nas, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, JayZ(when he tries, and isn't on some make money commerical shit, check grammy family, history etc.), Jay Electronica, Common (when he's not on some UMC stupid shit), Tupac, Canibus etc.
Oritz is the truth homie.............C'mon..........is he betetr than Lup??? naaaaaaaaaaaaa..............but dude has bars for days
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rip.dilla;455438 said:This song addresses people like you
[video=youtube;q1Et1siZhTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Et1siZhTk&feature=fvst[/video]
it addresses damn near the Whole IC lol
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BEAM;454854 said:I understand people having their own opinions and everything, but some of this shit is just reaching.
Joel Ortiz?
Joe Budden?
Trust, both of them are nice, but touching Lupe? That's just evidence of extreme bias and preference.
All that "Legend" bullshit is preference too, a lot of it blind.
If you look at things technically, consider all that Lupe talks about, the ways in which he does so, the levels at which he does so, and the consitency with which he performs, only a select few people can really even be compared to him.
Nas, yes.
Eminem, sure.
But when you start to mention Rakim, Joe Budden, Royce, Joel Ortiz, and cats like that, you're just showing who you'd rather listen to.
But as far as Skill is concerened, void of what you may or may not like, Lupe is top 5 ALL TIME without question.
U cant really make a Statement like that...........thats Just outrageous, top5 of ALL TIME???? COme on Fam
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TheEyeronic1;458366 said:fuck it, i'll say it.
Lupe is better than Mos. Mos Def is definitely a great lyricist and im a fan of his work, but...i've never been amazed by a Mos Def verse. Hes ill off the top and is definitely an artist that i respect, but i gotta give the edge to Lupe...off WOW factor on TOP of other things...
Mos Def slayed every single song on Black Star and murdered everything on Black on Both Sides.
dude, Mos Def is a beast. He is still listenable nobody how experimental some of his beats are.
I can't say the same for Lupe.
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tri3w;458297 said:Yo Imma a huge Lupe fan But ya OD with nigga rite Now............Is he the Best out rite Now??? Arguably, chances r he would rip ur Favorite rapper............But I wouldnt put im as top 5 ever............
Fuck you mean he can rip my favorite rapper? Nas is the greatest overall rap artist of all time. And thats my favorite. So no. Like I said hes not even in my top 10 favorites... I like Scarface and Tupac more than him but can I say they are more skilled overall artists than Lupe?? No. If you haven't heard the Faranheit mixtapes you probably don't understand what I'm talking about.
How can I be stanning when he's not even one of my favorite rappers? This is from an unbiased view.
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I can't believe you never been wowed by a Mos Def verse
Yo, I'm sure that everbody out listenin agree
That everything you see ain't really how it be
A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
Synthesized surface conceals the interior
America, land of opportunity, mirages and camoflauges More than usually -- speakin loudly, sayin nothin
You confusin me, you losin me
Your game is twisted, want me enlisted -- in your usary
Foolishly, most men join the ranks cluelessly
Buffoonishly accept the deception, believe the perception
Reflection rarely seen across the surface of the lookin glass
Walkin the street, wonderin who they be lookin past
Lookin gassed with them imported designer shades on
Stars shine bright, but the light -- rarely stays on
Same song, just remixed, different arrangement
Put you on a yacht but they won't call it a slaveship
Strangeness, you don't control this, you barely hold this
Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old shit Suppose it's, just another clever jedi mind trick
That they been runnin across stars through all the time with
I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between
We either niggaz or kings
We either bitches or queens
The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
The length of black life is treated with short worth Get yours first, them other niggaz secondary
That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary
This life is temporary but the soul is eternal
Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you
Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed
That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive
Not free, we only licensed
Not live, we just excitin
Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained
Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game
Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey
Most of the things that we think, do, or say
We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave
But everyday, next man meet with the grave
I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy
I'm tryin to live life in the sight of god's memory
Like that y'all
are you serious. Thats one of the best verses ever
Yo, I'm sure that everbody out listenin agree
That everything you see ain't really how it be
A lot of jokers out runnin in place, chasin the style
Be a lot goin on beneath the empty smile
Most cats in my area be lovin the hysteria
Synthesized surface conceals the interior
America, land of opportunity, mirages and camoflauges More than usually -- speakin loudly, sayin nothin
You confusin me, you losin me
Your game is twisted, want me enlisted -- in your usary
Foolishly, most men join the ranks cluelessly
Buffoonishly accept the deception, believe the perception
Reflection rarely seen across the surface of the lookin glass
Walkin the street, wonderin who they be lookin past
Lookin gassed with them imported designer shades on
Stars shine bright, but the light -- rarely stays on
Same song, just remixed, different arrangement
Put you on a yacht but they won't call it a slaveship
Strangeness, you don't control this, you barely hold this
Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old shit Suppose it's, just another clever jedi mind trick
That they been runnin across stars through all the time with
I find it's distressin, there's never no in-between
We either niggaz or kings
We either bitches or queens
The deadly ritual seems immersed, in the perverse
Full of short attention spans, short tempers, and short skirts
Long barrel automatics released in short bursts
The length of black life is treated with short worth Get yours first, them other niggaz secondary
That type of illin that be fillin up the cemetary
This life is temporary but the soul is eternal
Separate the real from the lie, let me learn you
Not strong, only aggressive, cause the power ain't directed
That's why, we are subjected to the will of the oppressive
Not free, we only licensed
Not live, we just excitin
Cause the captors.. own the masters.. to what we writin Not compassionate, only polite, we well trained
Our sincerity's rehearsed in stage, it's just a game
Not good, but well behaved cause the ca-me-ra survey
Most of the things that we think, do, or say
We chasin after death just to call ourselves brave
But everyday, next man meet with the grave
I give a damn if any fan recall my legacy
I'm tryin to live life in the sight of god's memory
Like that y'all
are you serious. Thats one of the best verses ever
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buttuh_b;458414 said:Fuck you mean he can rip my favorite rapper? Nas is the greatest overall rap artist of all time. And thats my favorite. So no. Like I said hes not even in my top 10 favorites... I like Scarface and Tupac more than him but can I say they are more skilled overall artists than Lupe?? No. If you haven't heard the Faranheit mixtapes you probably don't understand what I'm talking about.
How can I be stanning when he's not even one of my favorite rappers? This is from an unbiased view.
Minus any legends, i got money on Lupe...........WHen u put on rapper on that list,its a Combination of Influecne Content, impact they had on the game, shit like that......................coming out with 2 argubly Classic is a Huge Feat, but lets see wat else he is gonna do.............Im Not saying that he aint gonna Make that list, he keep it up he will be, im saying as of rite Now though He cant
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TheEyeronic1;458438 said:dont get me wrong, he HANDLED his on those albums. thieves in the night and speed law are 2 of my favorite joints off those joints, respectively. im not saying he cant rap.
i'm just saying is that lupe is better overall; deeper concepts and lyrics, more diverse, similar message and overall, it sounds better.
I just can't agree. I think Mos is one of those dudes that can't be touched when it comes to topic matter.
He is like a super lyrical version of Common. I just don't see Lupe at that level
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tri3w;458446 said:Minus any legends, i got money on Lupe...........WHen u put on rapper on that list,its a Combination of Influecne Content, impact they had on the game, shit like that......................coming out with 2 argubly Classic is a Huge Feat, but lets see wat else he is gonna do.............Im Not saying that he aint gonna Make that list, he keep it up he will be, im saying as of rite Now though He cant
I'm not saying Lupe is top 5 greatest rappers of all time. FAR FROM THAT. I'm speaking solely on overall skill as a category. It takes more than just overall skill to be considered an all time great... you need to be able to craft classic albums, songs, have an impact, etc.. Lupe hasn't done that yet.
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TheEyeronic1;458575 said:i beg to differ. i can post a track like failure and be done with it.
the point is, hes on a different level than some of my favorite rappers.
man, were going to have to disagree.
Mos Def is at a disadvantage to alot of cats cuz his music output is so limited.
If dude wasn't bored with Hip Hop like it seems he is, I don't know that there would be anyone matching him
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InMyLifeTime91
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lupe nicee... not the best tho..
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TheEyeronic1;458599 said:same can be said for lupe. his last album came out in 07...
but he has mixtapes to his credit. The only thing you can say Mos did was Black Star and got on a few Rawkus tracks.
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NothingButTheTruth
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1.Lupe is way better than Joe Budden. Joe Budden is a phenomenal battle rapper, but that's about it. The punchline flow is good, but not great.
2.Mos Def is way better than everyone. He's the greatest rapper of all-time. He's the greatest emcee of all-time, lyrically, and artistically. Everybody else is a tier below.
3. Mos Def-Ecstatic was easily the album of year in 2009
4.If Mos Def took rap serious, he would actually be noticed as the great lyricist he is, but he has another talent in acting that he seems to prefer over rapping, so regular niggas aka people who are not his fans don't hear his shit.
5.Mos Def is the only real rapper in the sense that when the whole Jena 6 thing happened he actually showed up to protest. When Hurricane Katrina happened he actually went to New Orleans to help out. The rest of these niggas just trying to make money on some, fuck you, pay me shit.
2.Mos Def is way better than everyone. He's the greatest rapper of all-time. He's the greatest emcee of all-time, lyrically, and artistically. Everybody else is a tier below.
3. Mos Def-Ecstatic was easily the album of year in 2009
4.If Mos Def took rap serious, he would actually be noticed as the great lyricist he is, but he has another talent in acting that he seems to prefer over rapping, so regular niggas aka people who are not his fans don't hear his shit.
5.Mos Def is the only real rapper in the sense that when the whole Jena 6 thing happened he actually showed up to protest. When Hurricane Katrina happened he actually went to New Orleans to help out. The rest of these niggas just trying to make money on some, fuck you, pay me shit.
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NothingButTheTruth;458670 said:1.Lupe is way better than Joe Budden. Joe Budden is a phenomenal battle rapper, but that's about it. The punchline flow is good, but not great.
2.Mos Def is way better than everyone. He's the greatest rapper of all-time. He's the greatest emcee of all-time, lyrically, and artistically. Everybody else is a tier below.
3. Mos Def-Ecstatic was easily the album of year in 2009
4.If Mos Def took rap serious, he would be actually be noticed as the great lyricist he is, but he has another talent in acting that he seems to prefer over rapping, so regular niggas don't hear his shit.
5.Mos Def is the only real rapper in the sense that when the whole Jena 6 thing happened he actually showed up to protest. When Hurricane Katrina happened he actually went to New Orleans to help out. The rest of these niggas just trying to make money on some, fuck you, pay me shit.
I seen that Mos Jena 6 video. That shit was trill. Mos is one of my favorite artists but I wouldn't call him the GOAT.
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