Lupe Fiasco=Future G.O.A.T.??

[5th Letter]

I think his beat selection is fine, most of the time it fits the mood of the track and what he is trying to get across.

 

[deeroc22]

Lupe's a monster and for the most part i think his beats are straight...hes just not what the record execs want hip hop to be.. thats whats holdin him back... i dont really remember hearing him on radio since kanye's touch the Sky...he doesnt get promoted nearly as much as the Big4(Em,Jay,Wayne,50)

 

[BEAM]

Lupe is already on the next level to me.

If you depend on an emcee's beats to make the more impressive, then you need to catch up.

Emcee's and producers are two different beasts.

Besides, Lu destroys every beat he's on regardless.

 

[usmarin3]

show me an album from Kanye, Jay, or Wayne that touches more bases than both food and liquor AND the cool.

i agree with the "personable" argument for lupe as his music is..like i said..more SOCIAL commentary than it is reflective of his life. i cant argue that.

What are the club bangers, chick songs, street songs he has made? Please show me, i'm waiting.

College dropout

All falls down - conscious/message song

Slow Jams - party song

Workout plan - chick song

Through the wire - for the hiphop heads

Never let me down - streets

Black Album

club song - Dirt of ya shoulder

chick song - change clothes

Hiphop head song - 99 problems

street song - allure

conscious/message- moment of clarity

Carter 3

conscious - tie my hands

street - a milli

hiphop heads - Dr. Carter

chick songs - lollipop

club banger - Mrs. Officer

 

[usmarin3]

Lupe is already on the next level to me.

If you depend on an emcee's beats to make the more impressive, then you need to catch up.

Emcee's and producers are two different beasts.

Besides, Lu destroys every beat he's on regardless.

ARTIST ARE COMPLETE, who the fuck is tryna hear dope lyrics on shitty beats. I bet you can't name a classic song on a shitty beat, there has to be a balance.

 

[NAWLEDGE_REIGNS]

ARTIST ARE COMPLETE, who the fuck is tryna hear dope lyrics on shitty beats. I bet you can't name a classic song on a shitty beat, there has to be a balance.

How Many Shitty Beats DOes Lupe Have?.....Im Not Sayin He Doesnt Have Any But Your Exaggerating....Not Everybody Wants To Spit Over Just Blaze Tired Ass Slow Down Soul Samples Or Ye New Techno Garbage....

 

[usmarin3]

How Many Shitty Beats DOes Lupe Have?.....Im Not Sayin He Doesnt Have Any But Your Exaggerating....Not Everybody Wants To Spit Over Just Blaze Tired Ass Slow Down Soul Samples Or Ye New Techno Garbage....

Alot, here are a few......Go Baby, The Die,Hello Goodbye, Spaze out, ghetto story,etc. You can hear how much better he sounds on dope tracks like Hurt me soul.

 

[NAWLEDGE_REIGNS]

Alot, here are a few......Go Baby, The Die,Hello Goodbye, Spaze out, ghetto story,etc. You can hear how much better he sounds on dope tracks like Hurt me soul.

Some Of Those Are Decent But I Wont Disagree That SOme Are Questionable...But If Every Credible Artist Runs To Same 3 Or 4 Producers For Their Signature Sound Most Album WOuld Sound The Same And Thats What Wrong With Modern Hip-Hop

Every Dude Sounds The Same...Variety Is Gone...

 

[BEAM]

ARTIST ARE COMPLETE, who the fuck is tryna hear dope lyrics on shitty beats. I bet you can't name a classic song on a shitty beat, there has to be a balance.

Calling his beat selection "shitty" is purely opinionated, fam.

Sure, he's not going over some of my favorite producers instrumentals, but he does a great job on the beats he does get a hold of.

Lupe being able to murk ANY beat > Whether or not he chooses your favorite beats.

 

[usmarin3]

the fact that you simplify content based on 4 simple categories (street joint,girl track, club track, conscious joint) is pretty hilarious. nonetheless, i'll play your game, and add onto it...JUST to prove my point.

Food & Liquor

Sunshine- Girl Song

I Gotcha- Club Song

Real/Emperor's Soundtrack/Kick Push/He Says She Says-Street Songs. YEAH, he said she said. IF a song about a father abandoning his children doesnt resonate with the streets, i dont know what the fuck will.

The Instrumental- the "rock/experiemental" song

The Cool- The story-telling song

American Terrorist/Hurt Me Soul- The "Conscious" songs

The Cool

Go Go Gadget Flow- Anthem

The Coolest/Hip Hop Saved My Life/Gold Watch/Dumb It Down- Street Songs

Intruder Alert/Streets on Fire/Little Weapon/Gotta Eat- Conscious songs that cover rape, immigration, drug addiction, the allure of the street life, child rebel soldiers and the threat of fast food against health

Superstar/Paris Tokyo/Go Baby- Girl tracks

Fighters- Introspective joint

Hello, Goodbye- The "rock" track

so what are we saying, man? subject wise, LUPE talks about MORE things than Kanye, Wayne, or Jay EVER will. THIS, my friend, is fact. those guys are too superficial to go deeper than "i'm black..heres a story about how the govt been shittin on black people" or "i miss my homies/loved one" type tracks. and thats not to say that theres something WRONG with those types of tracks, but im saying that for you to make an argument that these rappers have more varied subject matter than lupe.....is fucking laughable.

now if you woulda said " kanye, wayne, and jay are able to present different subject matter in a way that makes it easier to identify with", i sorta would have been able to see where you are coming from.

but thats not the case.

You are out your damn mind if you think those songs are club and chicks songs and you clearly don't under what streets song are too; streets songs have to have a hard edge to them and the dboys,trap niggas, block niggas, etc relate to them. Not to mention everything else you mention has been touch on with more success by these other guys, Jay had the rock thing with 99 problems, spoke to dead beat dads with Meet the Parents, Katrina on Kingdome come. Wayne address New Orleans with Tie my hands, Kanye addressed racism, conflict diamonds, materialism,etc. They've all done it on a more successful level too.

 

[usmarin3]

Some Of Those Are Decent But I Wont Disagree That SOme Are Questionable...But If Every Credible Artist Runs To Same 3 Or 4 Producers For Their Signature Sound Most Album WOuld Sound The Same And Thats What Wrong With Modern Hip-Hop

Every Dude Sounds The Same...Variety Is Gone...

Maybe he needs to find his sound like some rappers do, there are so many dope niggas out here not getting used (Buckwild, Pete Rock, Mike Dean, Organize Noize, Battlecat, D. Dot, Stevie J, Hangmen 3,etc).

 

[ItzGravitation]

the fact that you simplify content based on 4 simple categories (street joint,girl track, club track, conscious joint) is pretty hilarious. nonetheless, i'll play your game, and add onto it...JUST to prove my point.

Food & Liquor

Sunshine- Girl Song

I Gotcha- Club Song

Real/Emperor's Soundtrack/Kick Push/He Says She Says-Street Songs. YEAH, he said she said. IF a song about a father abandoning his children doesnt resonate with the streets, i dont know what the fuck will.

The Instrumental- the "rock/experiemental" song

The Cool- The story-telling song

American Terrorist/Hurt Me Soul- The "Conscious" songs

The Cool

Go Go Gadget Flow- Anthem

The Coolest/Hip Hop Saved My Life/Gold Watch/Dumb It Down- Street Songs

Intruder Alert/Streets on Fire/Little Weapon/Gotta Eat- Conscious songs that cover rape, immigration, drug addiction, the allure of the street life, child rebel soldiers and the threat of fast food against health

Superstar/Paris Tokyo/Go Baby- Girl tracks

Fighters- Introspective joint

Hello, Goodbye- The "rock" track

so what are we saying, man? subject wise, LUPE talks about MORE things than Kanye, Wayne, or Jay EVER will. THIS, my friend, is fact. those guys are too superficial to go deeper than "i'm black..heres a story about how the govt been shittin on black people" or "i miss my homies/loved one" type tracks. and thats not to say that theres something WRONG with those types of tracks, but im saying that for you to make an argument that these rappers have more varied subject matter than lupe.....is fucking laughable.

now if you woulda said " kanye, wayne, and jay are able to present different subject matter in a way that makes it easier to identify with", i sorta would have been able to see where you are coming from.

but thats not the case.

The Coolest wasnt a street song

I gotcha was not a club song

kick push was not street

He Says She Says wasnt street

Hip Hop saved my Life wasnt street

Superstar wasnt for girls

you didnt classify the songs rite

He Say She Say is more concious

kick push was about skateboarding

Gota Eat was more of a concept

I gotcha was filler if you ask me

Ye got more subjecy matter than Lupe

 

[ItzGravitation]

actually Lupe did it after Kanye

seeing as he used his beat and all

 

[ItzGravitation]

name em off, homie. list off the songs and their "subject matter". i'll wait for that. cuz im an avid kanye fan, just like im an avid jay fan...just like im an avid lupe fan. im interested to see what u say.

DEFINE "street" songs.

DEFINE "CLUB" songs.

nigga, i've heard them play "Lookin Ass Nigga" at the club. does that make it a club song? on the flip side of that, they were playing JESUS WALKS in the club. Does that make it a club song?

i shouldnt have to define street or club song because we all know

why waste my time

point is I gotcha was not a club song. it was filler and shouldnt have made the album

Jesus Walks had impact. it got played in Church so whats your point

Lookin Ass Nigga or Lookin Boy whichever was a hit and could be played in that setting

never heard of a DJ spinning iI gotcha at a club

 

[ItzGravitation]

lol...u stay showing how much you really know.

The first version of "Diamonds" (the version they did a video for, NOT the remix with Jay-z) is about Kanye & Rocafella Records.

Lupe heard the beat, and made a record about Conflict Diamonds from Sierra Lione, which is called Conflict Diamonds on Farenheit 1/15 pt 3.

After that, Kanye somehow decided to make a NEW version of "Diamonds", but this time rapping about actual Conflict Diamonds.

aimt nobody tryna hear that nonsense

 

[usmarin3]

i clearly understand what club and street songs are. i think you need to re-listen to "Emperor's Soundtrack", its a street song. Just like "I Gotcha" is a club song. You may not agree with it or would play at it a club you'd go to...but thats what it is.

this is the argument; Lupe Fiasco has the most varied subject matter of any mainstream rapper in the last 15 years or so.

What you did, was provide me with examples of how other rappers have "certain types of tracks", so what i did was come back at you to show u that lupe has "certain types of tracks".

u say "jay did the rock thing with 99 problems"...but what the fuck was jay-z talking about? nothing.

lupe has addressed ALL of those things PLUS things that those rappers never would. he can rap about anything they rap about...but they cant rap about the same things he raps about. lets flip the script for a second.

wheres lupe's "i got money" track. wheres lupe's "i cant wait to fuck with these hos" track. wheres lupe's "make it rain" type song. wheres lupe "im better than you because i have more money" song?

no where, because dude isnt chasing the radio like wayne, kanye and jay are.

and btw, kanye did conflict diamonds...pretty much after he heard Lupe do it.

so what are we talking about?

99 problems - verse 1 - address how shady people the industry is, how rappers are view intelligent wise - verse - 2- police harrassment and racism - verse 3 - ignorant niggas who try to pop off shit

So let me guess, you're one of those judge niggas by their singles people and don't look at lyrics in the context of where rappers are in their lives, well let me just shit on your whole argument right now. Lol at chasing the radio, fuck outta here with your sorry ass excuse for why Lupe hasn't blown up. The audience came to Jay and Kanye, not the other way around.

Jay-z - i'm not rich, not yet anyways but i relate to Jay more than any rapper ever and i ain't fucking no bitch on Beyonce level or none of that shit. Despite when yall try to simplify dudes career as materialism, bitches, and money; i relate to the success, making it despite a deadbeat dad, working with what you got, investing in yourself when no one believes in you,etc. THERE ARE ALOT OF JAY-Z OUT THERE, i don't mean money either but niggas who came from nothing, was never given shit, and expected anything from. Jay-z life is the black man livfein this country (not given a shit about), and that's why people respect his story so much. If all you hear is materialism, that's on you, and i don't see how you can knock the man for rapping what he lives about.

Kanye - Kanye is the dude that represent the nigga who is just being himself and aint a thug. He never sold out or pretended to be someone who he is not, and you saw his growth troughout his whole career, none of his albums sound alike. He is also not scared to touch on any subject (homophobia, conflict diamonds, the music industry,etc). Dude has a presence that all the great artist have to make them want to follow them his whole career.

 

[Focal Point]

I could of sworn the girl songs were Tokeyo Paris, My Sunshine, and Go Baby... not to mention is mixtape shit

 

[bdbdbd]

all ima say is:

[video=youtube;q1Et1siZhTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Et1siZhTk[/video]

the same for beats

 

[usmarin3]

i just said im just as much of an avid jay/kanye fan as i am with lupe. i shouldnt have said that 99 problems was about NOTHING, because, essentially, it does have substance. i can say when im wrong, and i was wrong there. there are much better examples of jay songs about nothing than 99 problems..and thats what i should have said.

my argument is clear...lupe fiasco has the most varied subject matter of any mainstream rap artist in the last 15 years.

why you relate to jay-z is irrelevant, here. though i must say, its a cool story, bro. but its not what my argument/premise of debate is about. same with your schpeal about kanye. btw, kanye doesnt have ONE song that openly addresses homophobia. Hes said it in interviews and shit, but never in song. He touches on a bunch of subjects that most rappers wouldnt....yes. but he doesnt cover more topics than Lupe.

and btw, jay-z was the person that told lupe fiasco not to chase the radio....which is why he's in the pocket he's in. u accuse me of not looking at lyrics/songs in the context of where rappers are in their lives, which is a completely bogus accusation to begin with, but you seem to be guilty of what you accuse me of.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/enter...leys-and-chains/2010/02/25/1266687120021.html

so while i fully get why you relate to jay-z/kanye and all that, that doesnt explain how he touches on more subjects than lupe...which is the point i've been pressing the ENTIRE time.

I still don't see how he touches on more topics dude, but it's all opion and i don't feel like going back and forward.

 

[CTYO]

The Coolest wasnt a street song

I gotcha was not a club song

kick push was not street

He Says She Says wasnt street

Hip Hop saved my Life wasnt street

Superstar wasnt for girls

you didnt classify the songs rite

He Say She Say is more concious

kick push was about skateboarding

Gota Eat was more of a concept

I gotcha was filler if you ask me

Ye got more subjecy matter than Lupe

as gansta as niggas get^^^^^