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Punisher__;537208 said:No offense but I think that's just an excuse people like to use when they just really lack the comprehension to understand what Lupe says. Being unfamiliar with concepts, themes, ideas and the like would be enough to turn anyone away from an artist's music.
TheEyeronic1;537244 said:peep the Fahrenheit 1/15 series and The Food & Liquor Leak , which pretty much helped spawn the backstory to the concept of The Cool album..
Punisher__;537208 said:No offense but I think that's just an excuse people like to use when they just really lack the comprehension to understand what Lupe says. Being unfamiliar with concepts, themes, ideas and the like would be enough to turn anyone away from an artist's music.
tri3w;537305 said:Lupe Is a Legend in the making I believe, But i dont Seem Him having the GOAT status yet..........Yes he may Have a 2 potential Classics under his belt (Yea he Does, if ya dont see that ya Niggas is trippin), and arguably might be the best out mainstream Wise (Give me a Better Name besides Jay, NaS Ra,) but u have to Wait coup[le of uyrs to see Influcnce...........I Guarantee though, rappers will be saying, he was my favroite rapper back in the Day
usmarin3;537345 said:Kanye > Lupe
Ye will go down as the best rapper of his generation, he has managed to master what Lupe can't or haven't yet. Critical acclaim with mainstream success, without comprimising who he is. Lupe is a modern day GZA imo!
tri3w;537492 said:ur trippin............We r goin about Content homie, not Sales..........And Wats Worng with that??? GZA is a legend
usmarin3;537504 said:legend no doubt but limited when it comes to range
Punisher__;537580 said:People are caught up on this mainstream success idea, as if it defines true artistry.
Truth is, being successful on the pop charts has NEVER been a measurement of how GOOD an artist is. It's merely used to by fans of artist who actually do cater to top 40 radio, and is a product of marketing and promotion.
usmarin3;537617 said:You cannot deny impact no matter how much you try. Why the fuck do you think these niggas sign record deals, make videos, tour,etc; for the love of the artform only. Success matters, Pacs,Biggies,Nas,Jay,NWA,Outkast,etc mainstream success is the reason why they are well known today. If that wasn't the case then no one should have a top 5 or a goat list because there are unkown rappers out there who are great and undiscovered.
You go to places in Africa and UK, they know Pacs song word for word and can't speaka drop of english. You think they know some no name underground nigga.
Punisher__;537684 said:People like myself are not caught up on mainstream, top 40 success because we know how fickle mainstream audiences can be and how backwards they can be. And I think that's a poor cop out.
The same people you are advocating so hard for are the same people who gave MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice diamond albums, two albums that were poorly received by critics, mind you. And it's these same people who would be inclined to NOT purchase a critically acclaimed, highly lauded album from a well-renowned artist, but purchase something from a poorly received artist because that's who the said artist is CATERING to.
Look at all the artists who are dominating the pop charts today...and look at who isn't. It doesn't necessarily make one artist more impactful than the other because one chooses to cater to mainstream and the other one doesn't. You can't argue that sales = impact, without arguing that lack of sales = lack of impact. They go hand in hand, and NEITHER one is right.
usmarin3;537733 said:OH really, and the underground is any better. Where were you niggas at for the last Mos Def, Wu, Murs,etc albums that didn't sell shit, underground fans are some of the most fickle ass niggas.
I love how you niggas alway point out the bad extremes and fail to see the fact that these classic albums sold alot.
All eyez on me - 7 X platinum
Ready to die - 3 X platinum
Life After - 10 X platinum
Illmatic - platinum
Stillmatic - 2 x platinum
Reasonable Doubt - platinum
Blueprint - 2 x platinum
Southerncadillac...... - platium
Aquemini - 2 x platinum
Low end theory - platinum
Midnight Marauder - platinum
Chronic - 3 x platinum
Doggystyle - 4 times platinum
etc
I could go on and on forver, most of the classic hiphop albums have sold and made a great impact.
As for artist today, last time i check Nas,Jay,Kanye,Em and a few others are the only ones who consistently sell. Yall are acting like these one hit wonders are selling albums or making classic albums.
usmarin3;537733 said:OH really, and the underground is any better. Where were you niggas at for the last Mos Def, Wu, Murs,etc albums that didn't sell shit, underground fans are some of the most fickle ass niggas.
I love how you niggas alway point out the bad extremes and fail to see the fact that these classic albums sold alot.
All eyez on me - 7 X platinum
Ready to die - 3 X platinum
Life After - 10 X platinum
Illmatic - platinum
Stillmatic - 2 x platinum
Reasonable Doubt - platinum
Blueprint - 2 x platinum
Southerncadillac...... - platium
Aquemini - 2 x platinum
Low end theory - platinum
Midnight Marauder - platinum
Chronic - 3 x platinum
Doggystyle - 4 times platinum
etc
I could go on and on forver, most of the classic hiphop albums have sold and made a great impact.
As for artist today, last time i check Nas,Jay,Kanye,Em and a few others are the only ones who consistently sell. Yall are acting like these one hit wonders are selling albums or making classic albums.
usmarin3;537778 said:They all went atleast gold initially
The_Maryvale_Joker;536087 said:Its hard to put him in any top ten because of all the wackness in hip hop, as soon as someone who is remotely lyrical comes around, he gains a bunch of followers and people put that person on a pedestal. He needs someone else in the mainstream to be compared to, maybe a few people. Thats how you separate the greats
TheEyeronic1;537770 said:where he say that?
link me to this.