Lil Wayne & Migos Hit Up The Studio To Work On New Music

[Bcotton5]

Hopefully he brings the bars

He will

 

[Bcotton5]

he grindin

when is he not?

 

[Trollio]

wayne in the studio with pjs on

 

[IAmDopeSmoke]

I fcks wit migos so all hail this project

 

[Bcotton5]

I love wayne

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

 

[Bcotton5]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

Didn't read

 

[KillaCham]

Maybe Wayne fell off. Maybe Wayne just needs to find his stride. I think he'll really prove that with this next album, but so far the material as been weak. And you can tell that joint he dropped with Christina Millian was a grasp at a mega hit amongst the Pop audience. He just needs to do him and not try so hard to cater to radio. He's already an established artists so the GP and his fanbase will follow him if the quality is there..

 

[IAmDopeSmoke]

I love wayne

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Smart move by wayne to record with migos in exchange for them to run after stunna with them guns to force him to release C5

He's still a faggot though.

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

migos & lil wayne?? i refuse to listen to that minstrel show colabo.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

There's a lot of subjectivity here so I'm just gonna leave you with this.....

If you believe that about the first paragraph then thinking like that is why Hip-Hop is dead and will never grow up. Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Common, Eminem, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One lyrically have gotten better with time. They don't seem to have a problem dropping classic albums every once in a while when they feel like it either (especially Nas with his last 3 albums). If you really believe that they've past their primes then the aforementioned should jump off a bridge and The Migos and Soulja Boys of the world should run rap now and forever.

Nobody says gods son or life is good is better than It Was Written or Ill matic. Everyone from the IC to the real world has ethered kingdom come BP3 and Magna Carta. And Common dropped nobody's listening and nobody listened like his older material. The best rappers in the game even taper off by their late 20's. They mature outside of the music but the lyrics and bars are not as great as their earlier music. Same thing happens with these rock artists as well. Shit J cole outsold Blink 182 when sideline story and a highly anticipated Blink 182 neighborhoods dropped the same week.

 

[Bcotton5]

that nigga monizzle a bitch

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

that nigga monizzle a bitch

at least im not scared to read posts. you stay scared of reading monizzle posts lmao.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

why do yall keep calling commons album, "nobodys listening"? LMFAO

 

[eternal soldier]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

There's a lot of subjectivity here so I'm just gonna leave you with this.....

If you believe that about the first paragraph then thinking like that is why Hip-Hop is dead and will never grow up. Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Common, Eminem, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One lyrically have gotten better with time. They don't seem to have a problem dropping classic albums every once in a while when they feel like it either (especially Nas with his last 3 albums). If you really believe that they've past their primes then the aforementioned should jump off a bridge and The Migos and Soulja Boys of the world should run rap now and forever.

Nobody says gods son or life is good is better than It Was Written or Ill matic. Everyone from the IC to the real world has ethered kingdom come BP3 and Magna Carta. And Common dropped nobody's listening and nobody listened like his older material. The best rappers in the game even taper off by their late 20's. They mature outside of the music but the lyrics and bars are not as great as their earlier music. Same thing happens with these rock artists as well. Shit J cole outsold Blink 182 when sideline story and a highly anticipated Blink 182 neighborhoods dropped the same week.

That shit was mad ignorant dude. The argument is that they're "past their primes", those albums like Black Album, AG, Magna Carter, Be, Finding Forever, Nobody's Listening, Life Is Good, OB4CL2, Untitled, Hip-Hop Is Dead, Distant Relatives, MMLP2, Graduation, 808s, MBDTF, Yeezus, etc. prove my point and show that even 20 years later those artists can still drop extremely good albums and have gotten better with time. You use inconsistent examples and comparisons that cannot properly be compared but try to make them anyways - you bring up J.Cole and Blink 182, what about U2, Coldplay, Rolling Stones, Willie Nelson, Johnnie Cash (RIP) etc. ? These are old bands that are still making amazing music despite being well over 50. They were making music in their 20s too, they have classics over the decades.

While it's true that no artist can match the HYPE of when they were first place for the first time, this does not mean that it is the end all be all for their career or that they CANNOT make better albums than their firsts or seconds and still drop classics over time. That's the problem with Hip-Hop tho, we've never given it a chance to grow up, that's why a lot of people don't take it as seriously and why Rakim, BDK and Slick Rick couldn't sell out a venue if they tried. Where Rock & Roll is today is where we should strive to get Hip-Hop on a global level. If we don't take care of our shit then yes white people and other groups will take our shit and make it theirs SMMFH.

How do you propose we get Hip-Hop on the same level as Rock where our older legends can still sell out arenas?

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

There's a lot of subjectivity here so I'm just gonna leave you with this.....

If you believe that about the first paragraph then thinking like that is why Hip-Hop is dead and will never grow up. Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Common, Eminem, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One lyrically have gotten better with time. They don't seem to have a problem dropping classic albums every once in a while when they feel like it either (especially Nas with his last 3 albums). If you really believe that they've past their primes then the aforementioned should jump off a bridge and The Migos and Soulja Boys of the world should run rap now and forever.

Nobody says gods son or life is good is better than It Was Written or Ill matic. Everyone from the IC to the real world has ethered kingdom come BP3 and Magna Carta. And Common dropped nobody's listening and nobody listened like his older material. The best rappers in the game even taper off by their late 20's. They mature outside of the music but the lyrics and bars are not as great as their earlier music. Same thing happens with these rock artists as well. Shit J cole outsold Blink 182 when sideline story and a highly anticipated Blink 182 neighborhoods dropped the same week.

That shit was mad ignorant dude. The argument is that they're "past their primes", those albums like Black Album, AG, Magna Carter, Be, Finding Forever, Nobody's Listening, Life Is Good, OB4CL2, Untitled, Hip-Hop Is Dead, Distant Relatives, MMLP2, Graduation, 808s, MBDTF, Yeezus, etc. prove my point and show that even 20 years later those artists can still drop extremely good albums and have gotten better with time. You use inconsistent examples and comparisons that cannot properly be compared but try to make them anyways - you bring up J.Cole and Blink 182, what about U2, Coldplay, Rolling Stones, Willie Nelson, Johnnie Cash (RIP) etc. ? These are old bands that are still making amazing music despite being well over 50. They were making music in their 20s too, they have classics over the decades.

While it's true that no artist can match the HYPE of when they were first place for the first time, this does not mean that it is the end all be all for their career or that they CANNOT make better albums than their firsts or seconds and still drop classics over time. That's the problem with Hip-Hop tho, we've never given it a chance to grow up, that's why a lot of people don't take it as seriously and why Rakim, BDK and Slick Rick couldn't sell out a venue if they tried. Where Rock & Roll is today is where we should strive to get Hip-Hop on a global level. If we don't take care of our shit then yes white people and other groups will take our shit and make it theirs SMMFH.

Again great albums but nowhere near those artists best album of all time. I will take illmatic or IWW over untitled. Give me college dropout over 808s. And again not to mention most of those rappers didn't hit the record industry at 13 like wayne. Its laughable to think wayne could create a black album or distant relatives right now in his career ups or downs or not. Have you heard "lets start a fire"?

And in the rock game many artists fell off hard in their 30's and 40's. Matter fact many of the shows nowadays legendary artists who had a god 15 years of material are forcing people to suffer through 5 shitty songs from their new album in between the classics.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

There's a lot of subjectivity here so I'm just gonna leave you with this.....

If you believe that about the first paragraph then thinking like that is why Hip-Hop is dead and will never grow up. Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Common, Eminem, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One lyrically have gotten better with time. They don't seem to have a problem dropping classic albums every once in a while when they feel like it either (especially Nas with his last 3 albums). If you really believe that they've past their primes then the aforementioned should jump off a bridge and The Migos and Soulja Boys of the world should run rap now and forever.

Nobody says gods son or life is good is better than It Was Written or Ill matic. Everyone from the IC to the real world has ethered kingdom come BP3 and Magna Carta. And Common dropped nobody's listening and nobody listened like his older material. The best rappers in the game even taper off by their late 20's. They mature outside of the music but the lyrics and bars are not as great as their earlier music. Same thing happens with these rock artists as well. Shit J cole outsold Blink 182 when sideline story and a highly anticipated Blink 182 neighborhoods dropped the same week.

That shit was mad ignorant dude. The argument is that they're "past their primes", those albums like Black Album, AG, Magna Carter, Be, Finding Forever, Nobody's Listening, Life Is Good, OB4CL2, Untitled, Hip-Hop Is Dead, Distant Relatives, MMLP2, Graduation, 808s, MBDTF, Yeezus, etc. prove my point and show that even 20 years later those artists can still drop extremely good albums and have gotten better with time. You use inconsistent examples and comparisons that cannot properly be compared but try to make them anyways - you bring up J.Cole and Blink 182, what about U2, Coldplay, Rolling Stones, Willie Nelson, Johnnie Cash (RIP) etc. ? These are old bands that are still making amazing music despite being well over 50. They were making music in their 20s too, they have classics over the decades.

While it's true that no artist can match the HYPE of when they were first place for the first time, this does not mean that it is the end all be all for their career or that they CANNOT make better albums than their firsts or seconds and still drop classics over time. That's the problem with Hip-Hop tho, we've never given it a chance to grow up, that's why a lot of people don't take it as seriously and why Rakim, BDK and Slick Rick couldn't sell out a venue if they tried. Where Rock & Roll is today is where we should strive to get Hip-Hop on a global level. If we don't take care of our shit then yes white people and other groups will take our shit and make it theirs SMMFH.

How do you propose we get Hip-Hop on the same level as Rock where our older legends can still sell out arenas?

To be honest i think in the coming years more older rap artists will still be able to sell out arenas. Shit wayne still does it and his new music blows. Not to mention his setlist features few classics (which is why i dont go to his shows). Hov sells out arenas. Nas can do festivals.

The reality is hip hop started off as mostly black folk. So being that we are a minority of the population it took the rest of America to catch on in the 90s. But now kids who were teens in the 90's are starting to have more income so you will see the artists sell out arenas more.

But just like rock violence and drugs and debt is hurting the legends of the rap game. So the few cats like Jigga, Yeezy and Nas and Outkast will sell out like Rush, U2, The Stones etc. But many legends will be washed out and forced to smaller venues because they can't put on the show they used to.

 

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Wayne smart as hell I think he's going to jump ship he's just cushioning the bridge so he can make that transition. He's on his 2007-2009 grind when he was literally in the studio with everybody. I hope he leaves and gets his situation figured out. If he stays with Birdman then I'll know they got an abusive relationship SMMFH. Wayne is bigger than Cash Money.

wayne kept the label floating after the first gen of rappers left and wayne was the only og left. However the question remains.

1. Can wayne get out this contract

2. Can wayne truly get back till his mid 2000's skill level of bars

I mean if hes allowed to release a 2 part C5 and maybe a greatest hits or something like bcotton was saying sure he could possibly leave the contract. But if C5 part 1 doesnt see the light of day for 6 months or so hes trapped. Stunna is the only one who has the ability to let wayne free. And its not like C5 will generate money for Baby most of that guap goes to the record label which is why i think hes just at a stand still. Not to mention his singles are doing the worse of any Carter has faired. Even C4 had singles that sold well despite the shitty overall product.

Wayne is only 32 years old tho -_-*.....

I don't get why ppl think Lil Wayne can't get better with time. Niggas act like his career started in 2004..... like he aint drop 3 albums before that SMMFH. Let's not act like 500 Degrees was the pinnacle of classic lyricism..... If you lucky and have a career that starts from 11 years old, you'll have peaks and valleys in your career.

If J.Cole and Beyonce can drop albums with no promo and go platinum then I have no doubt that Lil Wayne could do the same with C5 and still outsell J.Cole at the least.

@Sion

here is the issue with the bolded. He released singles from the album and toured with drake all summer and none of those singles went gold or plat. Every other carter album has successful platnum singles. Yes wayne is 32 but people are getting tired of his regressing flow and cheap attempts to be "different". If C5 had a huge buzz birdman woulda released that shit already and made money off it. But clearly the singles didn't hit hard off both parts and the album is doomed to be successful.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree @Monizzle14‌ .

J.Cole didn't have any gold or plat singles either & look how well he did. Wayne is bigger artist w/ a visible imprint, people want to hear from, he'll sell regardless. Birdman not letting Wayne drop b/c of Rich Gang and his ego.

Man I always say it's funny that ppl ascribe value to old things like wine, paintings and old cars but not to themselves SMMFH. Age 32 is very very young, he's younger or just as young as the majority of the IC, he has more than enough ample time to explore creatively and get better with time. Everybody has peaks and valleys in life.

However hip hop is like soccer or track and field where the majority of your best material comes from when you are in your mid 20's. While the top grossing rappers tend to be in their late 20s and early 30's the best material from rappers comes at around 25-30 if not even younger. Wayne starting so young really is like 60 in rap years as hes really exhausted his best material to be honest. Even the latest jay z and nas albums are ok or below average based on their prime years.

Wayne has a fanbase and we will sell ok but if C5 dropped today it would do much worse than any other Carter that has dropped. Birdman needs money right now based on what hes not paying so if C5 was profitable to a high level he would have dropped it. And the songs we have heard from the album are much worse than the other singles. Even mikey and some other cats that ride for wayne were not impressed with a few singles from C5.

There's a lot of subjectivity here so I'm just gonna leave you with this.....

If you believe that about the first paragraph then thinking like that is why Hip-Hop is dead and will never grow up. Jay-Z, Nas, Kanye West, Common, Eminem, Ghostface Killah, KRS-One lyrically have gotten better with time. They don't seem to have a problem dropping classic albums every once in a while when they feel like it either (especially Nas with his last 3 albums). If you really believe that they've past their primes then the aforementioned should jump off a bridge and The Migos and Soulja Boys of the world should run rap now and forever.

Nobody says gods son or life is good is better than It Was Written or Ill matic. Everyone from the IC to the real world has ethered kingdom come BP3 and Magna Carta. And Common dropped nobody's listening and nobody listened like his older material. The best rappers in the game even taper off by their late 20's. They mature outside of the music but the lyrics and bars are not as great as their earlier music. Same thing happens with these rock artists as well. Shit J cole outsold Blink 182 when sideline story and a highly anticipated Blink 182 neighborhoods dropped the same week.

How do you propose we get Hip-Hop on the same level as Rock where our older legends can still sell out arenas?

To be honest i think in the coming years more older rap artists will still be able to sell out arenas. Shit wayne still does it and his new music blows. Not to mention his setlist features few classics (which is why i dont go to his shows). Hov sells out arenas. Nas can do festivals.

The reality is hip hop started off as mostly black folk. So being that we are a minority of the population it took the rest of America to catch on in the 90s. But now kids who were teens in the 90's are starting to have more income so you will see the artists sell out arenas more.

But just like rock violence and drugs and debt is hurting the legends of the rap game. So the few cats like Jigga, Yeezy and Nas and Outkast will sell out like Rush, U2, The Stones etc. But many legends will be washed out and forced to smaller venues because they can't put on the show they used to.

I must say I'm impressed, this is prolly one of the best posts I've ever seen you make.

NO ITS NOT