Let's talk about the soul.

[Bodhi]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

Quite an ironic opinion given your screename. Longtime no see bruh.

How so? Long time indeed. Hope all is well. I don't plan on sticking around. I've been avoiding social media and online forums.

 

[Ajackson17]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

 

[Bodhi]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

The conservation of energy doesn't prove souls exist. And energy is not the self. The brain is a complex structure that gives us the illusion of a soul or a "thinker behind the thoughts". From a Buddhist perspective, one of the three marks of existence is no-self, or anatta. Buddha said, "this exists because that exists". Thus, consciousness exists because brains exist.

 

[Ajackson17]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

The conservation of energy doesn't prove souls exist. And energy is not the self. The brain is a complex structure that gives us the illusion of a soul or a "thinker behind the thoughts". From a Buddhist perspective, one of the three marks of existence is no-self, or anatta. Buddha said, "this exists because that exists". Thus, consciousness exists because brains exist.

I can fucks with that. I'm just saying right now that is correct, but we can be surprised about what we find out in the future. New found information replaces old current thinking.

 

[Bodhi]

True

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

The conservation of energy doesn't prove souls exist. And energy is not the self. The brain is a complex structure that gives us the illusion of a soul or a "thinker behind the thoughts". From a Buddhist perspective, one of the three marks of existence is no-self, or anatta. Buddha said, "this exists because that exists". Thus, consciousness exists because brains exist.

@ the bolded, so you willfully admit that "the brain is a complex structure", which it is; but yet don't believe that said "complex structure" had an intelligent designer?

The largest machine ever built as well as the most complex experimental facility ever built is this:

Please do tell me how something like the LHC took intelligence to make, but yet the brain had no intelligent designer behind it?

HOW?

 

[Bodhi]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

The conservation of energy doesn't prove souls exist. And energy is not the self. The brain is a complex structure that gives us the illusion of a soul or a "thinker behind the thoughts". From a Buddhist perspective, one of the three marks of existence is no-self, or anatta. Buddha said, "this exists because that exists". Thus, consciousness exists because brains exist.

@ the bolded, so you willfully admit that "the brain is a complex structure", which it is; but yet don't believe that said "complex structure" had an intelligent designer?

Please do tell me how something like the LHC took intelligence to make, but yet the brain had no intelligent designer behind it?

HOW?

Through the natural process of evolution, starting from the Big Bang, it took about 13 billion years for the human brain to exist as it does today.

It took about 30 years to build the LHC...

 

[zzombie]

13 billion years is very very very very fast for something like the human brain to evolve the fucking dinosaurs were around longer than that and there is no indication that they evolved a brain that can come close to matching ours.

the whole problem with the position that humankind just somehow naturally came to exist on chance is that it makes no fucking sense the odds are too astronomical.

 

[Bodhi]

13 billion years is very very very very fast for something like the human brain to evolve the fucking dinosaurs were around longer than that.

The dinosaurs existed from the Triassic to the Cretaceous era which was around 165 million years.

13 billion years is the amount of time from the Big Bang to the modern era.

What I'm saying is, it took 13 billion odd years to get from the Big Bang to the modern human brain. Or, if you want to instead go by the age of the earth, we'll say 5 billion years. The LHC, on the other hand, only took 30 years. That's a big difference. One was created by human intelligence, the other was created through natural processes, which took a very long time relatively speaking.

 

[Bodhi]

the whole problem with the position that humankind just somehow naturally came to exist on chance is that it makes no fucking sense the odds are too astronomical.

It has some chance involved but we don't exist on chance alone. There are natural processes at work that guide the formation of things. A snowflake, for instance, doesn't pop into existence strictly by chance.

 

[zzombie]

13 billion years is very very very very fast for something like the human brain to evolve the fucking dinosaurs were around longer than that.

The dinosaurs existed from the Triassic to the Cretaceous era which was around 165 million years.

13 billion years is the amount of time from the Big Bang to the modern era.

What I'm saying is, it took 13 billion odd years to get from the Big Bang to the modern human brain. Or, if you want to instead go by the age of the earth, we'll say 5 billion years. The LHC, on the other hand, only took 30 years. That's a big difference. One was created by human intelligence, the other was created through natural processes, which took a very long time relatively speaking.

yeah i got the numbers all fucked up but what i was trying to say is that the human brain came into being too fast for it to happen by chance and we know that the lhc did not happen by chance. Humankind made it and how we made it it much easier to explain than trying to explain how we came to be.

have you ever looked up the odds of abiogenesis it's something like 10 to the 900000 power OR some shit like that. IT IS EXTREMELY unlikely that the life just sprung from hot rocks and chemicals THERE is no way we can objectively say natural processes have rise to life

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

I don't believe a soul, or a mind separate from a body, exists. Mind is an emergent property of a brain/body. Any notion about the soul is purely speculative.

It is in the form that are basically saying, matter is energy and can the information that we obtain exist outside of this current dynamic of existence? That is the question and people would love to have that answered, but possibly so.

The conservation of energy doesn't prove souls exist. And energy is not the self. The brain is a complex structure that gives us the illusion of a soul or a "thinker behind the thoughts". From a Buddhist perspective, one of the three marks of existence is no-self, or anatta. Buddha said, "this exists because that exists". Thus, consciousness exists because brains exist.

@ the bolded, so you willfully admit that "the brain is a complex structure", which it is; but yet don't believe that said "complex structure" had an intelligent designer?

Please do tell me how something like the LHC took intelligence to make, but yet the brain had no intelligent designer behind it?

HOW?

Through the natural process of evolution, starting from the Big Bang, it took about 13 billion years for the human brain to exist as it does today.

It took about 30 years to build the LHC...

I was trying to compose myself.....but bruh???

You can say 10000000 billion years, 999999 gazillion years, or 77777777 bajillion years and it would still mean diddly squat. The human brain did not evolve. It was designed and created by an intelligent being whose name is Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

Like come on @Bodhi, I'm starting to think that you can't even possibly buy the stuff that your spewing. But it's like your trapped in a corner and you just don't want to come out of it, so you stay trapped using the same old tired defenses hoping that something will stick but all you do is continue to stink up the room with flatulent lies coming out of your rear end.

So let me get this straight it took intelligence to build the LHC but yet it didn't take intelligence to build the brains who came together in order to build said LHC......

Wheredeydodatat?

 

[Bodhi]

[the brain] was designed and created by an intelligent being whose name is Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

That's your belief. The problem with belief, though, is that it isn't knowledge.

But maybe you can try substantiating that claim.

The human brain did not evolve.

Science says otherwise.

So let me get this straight it took intelligence to build the LHC but yet it didn't take intelligence to build the brains who came together in order to build said LHC.......

Right.

 

[Bodhi]

Like come on @Bodhi, I'm starting to think that you can't even possibly buy the stuff that your spewing. But it's like your trapped in a corner and you just don't want to come out of it, so you stay trapped using the same old tired defenses hoping that something will stick but all you do is continue to stink up the room with flatulent lies coming out of your rear end.

^^^ Sounds a lot like projection.

defense mechanism

3. Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/projection-psychology

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

[the brain] was designed and created by an intelligent being whose name is Yeshua Ha Mashiach.

That's your belief. The problem with belief, though, is that it isn't knowledge.

But maybe you can try substantiating that claim.

The human brain did not evolve.

Science says otherwise.

So let me get this straight it took intelligence to build the LHC but yet it didn't take intelligence to build the brains who came together in order to build said LHC.......

Right.

This is called common sense @Bodhi, all though I realize that sense just isn't very common today.

If you gathered all the parts for a plane, all the parts for a car, all the parts for a computer, all the parts for a television, and all the parts for even the LHC and left them just as they are, they would not come together and magically build itself. It takes intelligence, it takes power, it takes will, it takes initiative, and it takes strength.

If those gathered parts were guaranteed to last for 13 billion year without any chance for erosion, deterioration, or decay and you were allowed to be transported 13 billion years into the future those same parts would still be in th same exact position that you left them.

But yet you're going to sit here and tell me that the most complex organ in the human body which has conquered the splitting of the atom, understood flight, and has even built rockets to propel us into space, evolved over the course of 13 billion years apart from any intelligence behind it?

Bruh my head hurts from even think about the absurdity of the notion! It makes absolutely 0 sense! 0 sense! 0 sense!

It does not compute no matter how you slice the pie. Primordial ooze just doesn't pop out of nowhere and decide over the course of 13 billion years that the human being needs a blood-brain barrier in order to survive.

That takes thoughtful planning and intelligence. And that is just .00000001% of the totality of the intelligence needed to design and create the human brain.

We still can't understand the totality of how grand and awesome the human brain is. But yet you want to tell me that it evolved from some ancient primordial ooze?

I fell like an idiot even discussing this non-sense @bodhi.

How can you even possibly believe such a notion. You are smarter than this. Like come on bruh. You can't be that dumb.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Like come on @Bodhi, I'm starting to think that you can't even possibly buy the stuff that your spewing. But it's like your trapped in a corner and you just don't want to come out of it, so you stay trapped using the same old tired defenses hoping that something will stick but all you do is continue to stink up the room with flatulent lies coming out of your rear end.

^^^ Sounds a lot like projection.

defense mechanism

3. Projection is a form of defense in which unwanted feelings are displaced onto another person, where they then appear as a threat from the external world.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/projection-psychology

I call a spade a spade. Shooting straight from the hip @Bodhi. Because I just don't understand how a person can believe that the human brain evolved from same ancient primordial ooze pig slop.

I feel like a complete doofus even discussing and thinking of such an absurd thing.

If intelligence is needed to design and make the computer you are using, intelligence is needed to make and design the brain behind it.

It's really that simple.

 

[Bodhi]

If intelligence is needed to design and make the computer you are using, intelligence is needed to make and design the brain behind it.

.. then intelligence is needed to make and design the intelligence behind the creation of the universe.

Except you don't follow your own logic; you stop at God. You say nothing created him although he's vastly more complex than the human brain, the LHC or the universe as a whole.

Believing in your God, though, is purely speculation. I'm not one to speculate. I ask you, again, to substantiate your claims.

The fact that we are duped by optical and other illusions is proof that our brains aren't perfect.

How can a perfect being create an imperfect brain??

 

[Bodhi]

yeah i got the numbers all fucked up but what i was trying to say is that the human brain came into being too fast for it to happen by chance and we know that the lhc did not happen by chance. Humankind made it and how we made it it much easier to explain than trying to explain how we came to be.

The human brain evolved from the brains of our non-human ancestors. Like I said, it's natural processes at work that guide the evolution of species. I thought you were up on evolution.

have you ever looked up the odds of abiogenesis it's something like 10 to the 900000 power OR some shit like that. IT IS EXTREMELY unlikely that the life just sprung from hot rocks and chemicals THERE is no way we can objectively say natural processes have rise to life

Unlikely doesn't mean impossible. Besides, there are other possibilities. Life could have come from outside the earth on something like a comet or asteroid. That's much more likely than life being created by a God. Don't you agree?

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

If intelligence is needed to design and make the computer you are using, intelligence is needed to make and design the brain behind it.

.. then intelligence is needed to make and design the intelligence behind the creation of the universe.

Except you don't follow your own logic; you stop at God. You say nothing created him although he's vastly more complex than the human brain, the LHC or the universe as a whole.

Believing in your God, though, is purely speculation. I'm not one to speculate. I ask you, again, to substantiate your claims.

The fact that we are duped by optical and other illusions is proof that our brains aren't perfect.

How can a perfect being create an imperfect brain??

1. God had no beginning my friend. That's why the buck stops at Him. There is nothing in back of God because God is and will always be. How can this be possible? No one alive can answer that question. If you could, you would be God. Thus the secret things belong to God, but the things which He has revealed belong to us and to our children forever so that we might believe in Him and call on His name. Amen.

2. God didn't create an imperfect brain. He created all things and said that they were "very good" in 6 days and on the 7th day He rested because creation was complete. All the defects that you see and experience in the created world are the direct result of our disobedience which started in the Garden of Eden. Sin is what has caused and continues to cause all the wreckage in this world. That is why you see imperfections in the created world.

3. But if you place your faith in the living God, Yeshua Ha Mashiach, you will experience the kingdom to come where all things will be made right, holy, and perfect. Never again will the world to come be subject to the scourge and awfulness of sin! But in that world shall dwell peace and righteousness forever and ever! And God Himself will dwell with mankind and we shall see His face and serve Him with joy and gladness forever and ever!

You can have a right to the tree of life if you so desire @Bodhi , but you must first say YES to the Lord! Will you say YES to Him today my friend?

 

[Bodhi]

1. God had no beginning my friend. That's why the buck stops at Him. There is nothing in back of God because God is and will always be. How can this be possible? No one alive can answer that question. If you could, you would be God. Thus the secret things belong to God, but the things which He has revealed belong to us and to our children forever so that we might believe in Him and call on His name. Amen.

2. God didn't create an imperfect brain. He created all things and said that they were "very good" in 6 days and on the 7th day He rested because creation was complete. All the defects that you see and experience in the created world are the direct result of our disobedience which started in the Garden of Eden. Sin is what has caused and continues to cause all the wreckage in this world. That is why you see imperfections in the created world.

3. But if you place your faith in the living God, Yeshua Ha Mashiach, you will experience the kingdom to come where all things will be made right, holy, and perfect. Never again will the world to come be subject to the scourge and awfulness of sin! But in that world shall dwell peace and righteousness forever and ever! And God Himself will dwell with mankind and we shall see His face and serve Him with joy and gladness forever and ever!

You can have a right to the tree of life if you so desire @Bodhi , but you must first say YES to the Lord! Will you say YES to Him today my friend?

1. Nature has no beginning. I believe the universe is in a continuous cycle of expanding and contracting.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce

2. If he created a brain that could be tricked and influenced to sin, then he created an imperfect brain. If sin entered because we made the wrong choice, our thinking was obviously flawed and if our thinking was flawed, our brains were not perfect. So God created an imperfect brain according to you and again, I ask you how?

3. Still no evidence of this God