Let's Talk About: Demonic Possession & Exorcisms

[Premeer]

Where does your god come from?

God didnt come from nowhere. God is not a man. you are talking about GOD as if he is one of us.. GOD IS!! GOD JUST IS!!

ponder that for a minute.

 

[Bodhi]

Where does your god come from?

God didnt come from nowhere. God is not a man. you are talking about GOD as if he is one of us.. GOD IS!! GOD JUST IS!!

ponder that for a minute.

Nature as a whole did not come from anywhere neither. Nature is everything. NATURE IS!!! NATURE JUST IS!!!

now do you understand?

I am not afraid to admit that I do not know everything. Neither do you. Our level of uncertainty is about the same. However, you believe that your god is eternal and I believe that nature is eternal.

Admitting your limitation is to obtain great wisdom.

 

[Premeer]

Where does your god come from?

God didnt come from nowhere. God is not a man. you are talking about GOD as if he is one of us.. GOD IS!! GOD JUST IS!!

ponder that for a minute.

Nature as a whole did not come from anywhere neither. Nature is everything. NATURE IS!!! NATURE JUST IS!!!

now do you understand?

I am not afraid to admit that I do not know everything. Neither do you. Our level of uncertainty is about the same. However, you believe that your god is eternal and I believe that nature is eternal.

Admitting your limitation is to obtain great wisdom.

my level of uncertainty is at ZERO.. cuz i know God and what he did.. you? dont even know who God is cuz if you did, you wouldnt be asking such a silly question such as, where did your God come from lol. im done. that did it for me. somebody so ignorant to ask that lets me know who im talking to and how misinformed you are about what you are trying to argue.

btw.. God put nature there.... God made the universe.. there isnt a thing God didnt make.. in the universe. im done talking about this. i went pages 1-15 in the other thread about christians being "arrogant" and all pages in here.. it gets nowhere. its pointless. its a waste of my time. bunch of knuckleheads.

 

[Bodhi]

Bye

 

[Bodhi]

I don't think youll find many scientists that will tell you there was a point where true nothingness existed indefinitely. Most scientists if not all abandoned the theory that nothing existed b4 the big bang

IF YOU GO BEYOND THE BIG BANG YOU WILL END UP in m-theory and it's maddness. At which point scientist are really guessing.

They will always be guessing. There will never be a point where man knows all. Like I said, existence itself is infinite

The universe is not infinite. The big bang theory has been and still is the most observable science based and sensible explanation of the creation of the universe. THE other ones like string theory and m-theory are not as observable and are far the fuck out when you think about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory

The universe always existing has been disproved.

I didnt say the universe is infinite; I said nature is infinite. Science shows that there was natural existence before the big bang.

 

[Bodhi]

I believe that existence itself is an infinite chain of cause and effect. There is no first cause or all mighty god. Scientists will always be in an endless search of what came before this or that, in their limited scope of infinity. It would be a waste of my time to tell you what came before us, when there was something else that preceded it.

Your argument is flawed because you do not know from what or whom your god came. If your god has no beginning or end, there should be no problem for you to understand that nature has no beginning or end.

It's a shame your point was totally missed in a hell bent attempt to discredit what you said.

It really is a shame. At least you caught it.

 

[zombie]

I don't think youll find many scientists that will tell you there was a point where true nothingness existed indefinitely. Most scientists if not all abandoned the theory that nothing existed b4 the big bang

IF YOU GO BEYOND THE BIG BANG YOU WILL END UP in m-theory and it's maddness. At which point scientist are really guessing.

They will always be guessing. There will never be a point where man knows all. Like I said, existence itself is infinite

The universe is not infinite. The big bang theory has been and still is the most observable science based and sensible explanation of the creation of the universe. THE other ones like string theory and m-theory are not as observable and are far the fuck out when you think about it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady_State_theory

The universe always existing has been disproved.

I didnt say the universe is infinite; I said nature is infinite. Science shows that there was natural existence before the big bang.

But nature is part of the universe and the universe is part of nature they are the same thing really. What i tried to tell you is that the so called science behind there being anything in existence before the big bang is sketchy at best, things like m-theory.

 

[Bodhi]

By universe, I mean everything resulting from the big bang but science points to existence b4 the big bang. Nature would include that existence b4 the big bang and any/everything b4 that, still. I do not believe nature as a whole including time and energy began with the big bang. For if it did, that would leave only two options: creationism or nature coming into existence uncaused, both of which I reject. Like I said b4, I believe that existence is an eternal chain of cause and effect. There is always a point in past time you could look at and see the results of infinite past events. It is like a number line; present time being represented by the numeral 0. Past events are represented by negative whole numbers and future events by positive whole numbers. Both left and right on the number line stretch out to infinity in both directions.

 

[zombie]

By universe, I mean everything resulting from the big bang but science points to existence b4 the big bang. Nature would include that existence b4 the big bang and any/everything b4 that, still. I do not believe nature as a whole including time and energy began with the big bang. For if it did, that would leave only two options: creationism or nature coming into existence uncaused, both of which I reject. Like I said b4, I believe that existence is an eternal chain of cause and effect. There is always a point in past time you could look at and see the results of infinite past events. It is like a number line; present time being represented by the numeral 0. Past events are represented by negative whole numbers and future events by positive whole numbers. Both left and right on the number line stretch out to infinity in both directions.

Ok, but the science you are talking about is in the m-theory family and those theories are bullshit. they are math but not science.

By universe, I mean everything resulting from the big bang but science points to existence b4 the big bang. Nature would include that existence b4 the big bang and any/everything b4 that, still. I do not believe nature as a whole including time and energy began with the big bang. For if it did, that would leave only two options: creationism or nature coming into existence uncaused, both of which I reject. Like I said b4, I believe that existence is an eternal chain of cause and effect. There is always a point in past time you could look at and see the results of infinite past events. It is like a number line; present time being represented by the numeral 0. Past events are represented by negative whole numbers and future events by positive whole numbers. Both left and right on the number line stretch out to infinity in both directions.

Ok, but the science you are talking about is in the m-theory family and those theories are bullshit. they are math but not science.

 

[Bodhi]

1. What makes m theory or string theory bullshit?

2. Mathematics and science co exist

3. Regardless of what theory is true, I believe there was existence b4 the big bang and most if not all current scientific theories point to that.

 

[zombie]

1. What makes m theory or string theory bullshit?

2. Mathematics and science co exist

3. Regardless of what theory is true, I believe there was existence b4 the big bang and most if not all current scientific theories point to that.

it's getting late i will answer # 1 tomrrow because it would take to long.

something can be mathematically possible and not exist science has to be testable and repeatable and observable. that is one of the main problems in string theory.

 

[Bodhi]

I'll be here

 

[Premeer]

1. What makes m theory or string theory bullshit?

2. Mathematics and science co exist

3. Regardless of what theory is true, I believe there was existence b4 the big bang and most if not all current scientific theories point to that.

i had to lol.. so you are telling me you are once again changing your beliefs because science is changing theirs. great .. like i said, you are unstable lol.

a fool puts his faith in man.. a wise man puts his faith in God.

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[Premeer]

1. What makes m theory or string theory bullshit?

2. Mathematics and science co exist

3. Regardless of what theory is true, I believe there was existence b4 the big bang and most if not all current scientific theories point to that.

James 1:6

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. for he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea drive with the wind and tossed

that scripture...... YOU fit it to a "T".. i had to quote it again.

meaning.. you are basically tossed around aimlessly cuz you have no stable spiritual foundation. you put your faith in man and man is not certain of anything. you change as much as mans mind and that makes you a fool for putting your faith in mans hands.

clear cut and dry.

 

[Bodhi]

oo, I said regardless of what theory they say is true, my belief stays the same. That is, unless someone or something can prove otherwise, I.e. creationism, meaning if creationism was proven tomorrow, I would then change my view which btw is wise. It would be ridiculous for someone to hold onto old beliefs for the sake of old belief and deny hard evidence. Could you imagine someone who refused to believe the earth was not flat? That is the problem with most ppl; they become addicted to beliefs and suffer because of it in the long run, like an alcoholic or drug addict. The only thing imo that matters is how we live in relation to nature including each other and I believe that answer is harmony, respect, and peace. I dont see that changing anytime soon.

I thought you were done talking.

And Disciplined Insight, it would be refreshing to hear some original ideas from you as opposed to the usual piggybacking anything and anyone who disagrees with me.

 

[Bodhi]

My faith is not based on man but on truth. Many mediums can show the way to truth, including the teachings of man.

Did man not write the Bible? It seems to me that your faith is placed in the hands of man so maybe by your standards you are more foolish than I am.

 

[Demarco27]

and i see some atheists talking about souls.. i thought that was against your train of thought being a atheist? souls and body become separated when you die, so you really dont die, your body does (1st death).. so where does your soul go when you die?

@100prime
=related

from 3:30

Genesis 2:7 hebrew for living soul: nephesh. basically saying the bible says SOUL= living being, not Immortal soul

 

[Bodhi]

and i see some atheists talking about souls.. i thought that was against your train of thought being a atheist?

Atheism is only concerned with belief in gods or deities, the definition of atheism being the rejection of such beliefs but that does not include anything else. An atheist can believe in souls, reincarnation, spirit possession, psychic abilities, ghosts, etc. etc.

 

[Premeer]

and i see some atheists talking about souls.. i thought that was against your train of thought being a atheist? souls and body become separated when you die, so you really dont die, your body does (1st death).. so where does your soul go when you die?

@100prime
=related

from 3:30

Genesis 2:7 hebrew for living soul: nephesh. basically saying the bible says SOUL= living being, not Immortal soul

thats his interpretation.. but you gotta be careful because, well... here, read:

1 John 4:1

Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.



2 Peter 2:1

But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

etc, etc...

now, here:

Matthew 10:28

And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.



now, justs for the record, the soul and spirit is 2 different things.. read:

Hebrews 4:12

For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

Ecclesiastes 12:7

And the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

reading these last few scriptures, you can see clearly, we are made up of a body, spirit, and a soul.. only ONE dies HERE on earth,

now, who are you going to trust, Gods word, ^^^^^ you read it for yourself.... or a man, ONE man, that God even warned you about in the 1st few scriptures i posted.

 

[Premeer]

My faith is not based on man but on truth. Many mediums can show the way to truth, whether it be the teachings of man or simple observance of the natural world.

Did man not write the Bible? It seems to me that your faith is placed in the hands of man so maybe by your standards you are more foolish than I am.

look how cute.. 1 idiot co-signs another idiot. you are a man, no? and you dont trust "your own" teachings? you lean on science, cuz clearly, you said many scientists have been leaning toward "said theory", if you didnt trust them, then you wouldnt have never brought it up.

you lost again smh...