Out of curiosity, what do you think of these collaborations:
Talib Kweli feat. Justin Timberlake- The Nature
Talib Kweli feat. Norah Jones- Soon The New Day
The Roots feat. Nelly Furtado- Sacrafice
Rick Ross feat. Robin Thicke- Lay Back
Ice Cube feat. Korn- F' Dyin
DMX feat. Marilyn Manson- The Omen
Busta Rhymes feat. Ozzy Osbourne- This Means War
Eve feat. Gwen Stefani- Blow Ya Mind
Eve feat. Teena Marie- Life Is So Hard
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Other than 99% of those songs being hot garbage and flops?
Just label them by the genre that they are categorized:
Norah Jones = Jazz
Robin Thike = Soul
Teena Marie = Soul
The rest of those artists are Pop-artists or Rock artists and it looks like a weak attempt at cross-marketing from their labels.
That shit killed Ice Cubes career, he lost half his fan base overnight and ain't been platinum since.
The same shit happened to Public Enemy, they did a corny duet/song/video with Anthrax and lost half their fans and ain't been platinum since.....the energy was diffused.
Its kinda sad that the only relevant HipHop artist on that list is Rozay.
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Weak attempt at cross-marketing or did they really want to work with those artists?
I could see how that argument could made in the case of The Roots/Nelly Furtado track b/c they were labelmates at the time. Interscope gets to introduce The Roots to Nelly's audience and vice versa. In fact, she was also on Ms. Jade's album that year too and it was a single. Same with the Eve/Gwen Stefani track. [/quote]
It's not about who you want to work with when you are signed to a label, most times it's about who the mad-scientists who crunch numbers and value profit accept you working with.
You really think Nas wanted to have a song like "Hero" with Keri Hilson on "Untittled" or was that Def Jam saying they needed a radio song to help promote a project that would be difficult to market due to it's subject matter?
You think 50-Cent did that Homoerotic magazine cover with Soulja Boy out of love or was it Jimmy Iovine trying to salvage two of his negros popularity with some shrewd demographics exchange with the young and the old?
I done interned, I know about politics that the average fan doesn't know about.
Remember when Mobb Deep did "Hey Lover" with 112? Where did their careers go after that?
Poor Kurrupt did that godawful song "It's Over" with Blaque and now he's back to stealing hub-caps.
The most blatant and pathetic attempt at tomfoolery was Games "Red Album" it was a mishmash of desperate demographical pandering almost to the degree that it felt like a parody. Beanie Sigel, Nelly Furtado, and Tyler the Creater on the same album...that's some Bi-polar shit that sounded forced and contrived and the sales reflected that and the criticism reflected that.
YMCMB the modern-day Village-People who have mastered a formula that people are still to blind to see.
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You see Brutha Gee many of the G-Unit whites are obsessed with record-sales because 50-Cent brainwashed them to be that way.M
It's rumored that 85% of the people who buy HipHop albums are white.
it's a fact that Black people are only 12% of the United States population.
....I guess Gospel music will never outsell Country music with those demographics lolol.
Many whites brag about the fact that Insane Clown Posse have platinum solo albums and Rakim doesn't have a platinum solo album.
I saw one white-skinned fellow bragging about how Vanilla Ice went diamond with one rap album and Common has never even been platinum once with 10 albums.
The Roots have been on Def Jam since 2006 and dropped 5 critically acclaimed albums that haven't gone platinum but us Black folks are too busy enjoying the music to worry about them going platinum, we just want that uncut dope without the POP cut on it.
Ricky Rozay's "Rich Forever" is the only mix tape on DatPiff to be downloaded over 1million times, he went past LiL Wayne and all them, and he knows the people he caters his music to are the minority and don't have a lot of disposable income but he gave us some quality free music without the homo/emo/euro/weirdo/techno shit that's been dominating the game lately.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of these collaborations:
Talib Kweli feat. Justin Timberlake- The Nature
Talib Kweli feat. Norah Jones- Soon The New Day
The Roots feat. Nelly Furtado- Sacrafice
Rick Ross feat. Robin Thicke- Lay Back
Ice Cube feat. Korn- F' Dyin
DMX feat. Marilyn Manson- The Omen
Busta Rhymes feat. Ozzy Osbourne- This Means War
Eve feat. Gwen Stefani- Blow Ya Mind
Eve feat. Teena Marie- Life Is So Hard
Before I forget, there's also these:
Common feat. John Mayer- GO
Kanye feat. John Mayer- Bittersweet (Unreleased)
Kanye feat. Adam Levine- Heard Em Say
Common feat. Lily Allen- Drivin' Me Wild
Pop artists all of them and a UK white POP chick....that's the new formula/gimmick the labels are on.
Artists have families to feed, bosses to please and expensive habits so they fuck around with POP acts because they going Diamond like Emenim just on beats and rhymes alone.
Why didn't you include Emenim feat Pink.
How is this a new formula, if artists have been doing this?
You answered your own question as to why Em's collab with Pink wasn't included. If according to you, Em goes Platinum just on beats and rhymes alone, why does he have to resort to the "new formula"?
I don't know what formula you are talking about but the one I was sharing with my brother was the new gimmick to throw a white POP bitch on every other HipHop song or co-sign a white rap bitch to give them streetcred in exchange for some cross-marketing opportunities.....
So if you can show me another era in HipHop were Skylar Greys were getting nominated for hooks on HipHop songs then feel free to do so. You went on some off-topic rambling that didn't have anything to do with the conversation that you jumped in because you gave a bunch of examples that didn't have anything to do with the convo or the list I shared with my brother.
I'm talking about POP bitches and here you come talking about Ozzy Osbourne and you got the other nut job telling me that DmX and Ice Cube are somehow relevant to the discussion.
So next time you come behind me and make a list do like I did and list the POP chicks and include Pink like I suggested or you will only confuse clueless onlookers who lack the comprehension to see what was meant to be said.
You are backtracking. You were the one who first mentioned this "new formula". My list really had nothing to do with a formula. I was merely posing a question which you could have opted not to answer.
You also mentioned Pop acts in general, did you not?
My whole point in even making the list is that there has always been some kind of pattern or "formula" in Hip Hop. Whether it was intentional or unintentional has yet to be seen. Someone could easily say that labels set it up so that three prominent late 1998 releases would feature white Rock acts, could they not? Eve, The Roots, Missy Elliott and Ms. Jade all had either Gwen Stefani or Nelly Furtado on their albums back in '02.
That's not to say that everyone of the collaborations is some idea by label heads. Artists have mutual respect for each other's music and they collaborate organically.
