Legit Reason's to why Eminem is not top 10 Material.........

[SneakDZA]

10 reasons:

Nas

Kool G. Rap

KRS 1

Rakim

Big Pun

Boots Riley

Ice Cube

Big Daddy Kane

JuJu from the Beatnuts

Jay-Z

I could keep going but there's plenty of better rappers than him.

If Em is top 10 just off his technical ability than Das Efx must be top 5. If you're going off subject matter... I'd rather listen to a Richard Pryor record to hear some jokes.

 

[nujerz84]

10 reasons:

Nas

Kool G. Rap

KRS 1

Rakim

Big Pun

Boots Riley

Ice Cube

Big Daddy Kane

JuJu from the Beatnuts

Jay-Z

I could keep going but there's plenty of better rappers than him.

If Em is top 10 just off his technical ability than Das Efx must be top 5. If you're going off subject matter... I'd rather listen to a Richard Pryor record to hear some jokes.

Ju Ju and Das Efx (I met Das Efx and I know there Pops) but lmao u cant be serious with that..

 

[SneakDZA]

10 reasons:

Nas

Kool G. Rap

KRS 1

Rakim

Big Pun

Boots Riley

Ice Cube

Big Daddy Kane

JuJu from the Beatnuts

Jay-Z

I could keep going but there's plenty of better rappers than him.

If Em is top 10 just off his technical ability than Das Efx must be top 5. If you're going off subject matter... I'd rather listen to a Richard Pryor record to hear some jokes.

Ju Ju and Das Efx (I met Das Efx and I know there Pops) but lmao u cant be serious with that..

better than eminem?

 

[ghost!]

I never understood the appeal of that damn KIM song. The verses, while do tell a story, sound over the top with his whaling and yelling. Then theres that unorthodox whining chorus. It don't even sound like hip-hop, it sounds like a psycho path on drugs trying to make some screaming hardcore rock song.

this is why some of you, if you dont know, you shouldnt comment. the song..was suppose to come across as its' a psycho path...again, music doesnt have to follow a certain construct for it to be considered or not considered a certain genre..

he's rhyming, he thought of a clever way to get across the point of the song by not rhyming in a regular voice, but to scream it, hence why the track sounds the way it sounds. To show the song was suppose to be looked at as someone whose gone crazy..i guess you never watched a scary movie when the villian is a psycho path...

are katz really that ignorant to not understand certain other forms of hip hop??

To be creative you dont have to follow any "status quo" art is art

 

[nycest_1]

Well said @Squall. Music doesn't need to be relateable to enjoy it. I don't relate to 99% of the music I listen to outside of skin color

well you are in the minority for rap fans

the genre blew up from relateability. people used to see rap music as a type of cnn and music that spoke of their struggles and thoughts.

personally em is aight, and always delivers on a feature but hes right there in that middle category.

i like homies more creative concepts but he stopped those after his second album

hes a B+ storyteller but once again 2-3 great story songs doesn't carry 6 albums, so i gotta average him out to above average there too

when hes rappin from an emotional standpoint i don't relate to his struggles so those tracks get skipped by me.

and those d12 albums are a stain on his record.

nas - longevity and consistency

jay-z - the blueprint in many ways, hes the rap dream

biggie - became an instant legend because his career was cut short but remained at a 90-95% approval rating on his material

andre 3000 - a real musician first and rapper second

tupac - pretty much the rawest street reporter for the young black man

ice cube - was pac before pac and accomplished what jay-z did in rap on an entertainment scale (i know this doesn't have to do so much with rap but it does have to do with GOAT status and relevancy)

LL cool J - the nigga lasted 3 decades goin platinum and was the foundation of what used to be the blueprint of rap labels

krs - underrated historically but one of the most influential rappers ever. fathered biggies flow

slick rick - GOAT story rapper

rakim - helped father nas, more of a street poet than any rapper outside of pac and nas

big daddy kane - broke down some commercial barriers that birthed jay and biggies aura

Busta Rhymes (who is pretty much the black equivelant to eminem musically. take some lyrical skills out and boost the creativity and eminem is busta rhymes album wise) from 1989-2012 has managed to stay relevant in a genre that forgets you in 5 years.

as someone said. if eminem was subtracted out of rap history im not too sure what influence is gone

 

[genocidecutter]

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir

2.) Tupac

3.) Rakim

4.) Ice Cube

5.) Andre 3000

6.) Scarface

7.) Big Daddy Kane

8.) LL Cool J

9.) JayZ

10.) Black Thought

11.) Ghostface Killah

12.) KRS-One

15.) Big Pun

16.) Notorious B.I.G

17.) Common

18.) Slick Rick

19.) Snoop Dogg

20.) Kool G Rap

I guess if you are from a foreign culture or community instead of the culture and community that HipHop was born out of you might actually have Emenim in your Top 10, I was born and baptized in the culture and I doubt if he's even in my Top 200.

Rappers like Q-Tip, Mos Def, Chuck D, & Gza get lost in the shuffle a lot of times by people who seem to only listen to the artists associated with Shady records.

People forget about M.C Lyte, Lauryn Hill & Queen Latifah but I have them ranked over Emenim.

Jadakiss, Fabolous, Raekwon, T.I., Kurrupt, Big Boi: people tend to forget them also.

And how could we forget about Melle Mell?

I think people are just joking-around and being sarcastic, you wouldn't seriously have Emenim on a Top 10 list would you?

Powerful post. I have the same top 3. Similar top 30-40 with placement being interchangeable. Don't see how Eminem belongs close to a top 10 based on music quality.

You think Wayne is better than Tech Nine. You lost your right to say whos top ten or not

 

[DarthRozay]

Kim is a classic track no matter what you say or feel. I don't listen to rap to relate.

so why do you listen to rap? to hear music that sounds like it was written while in therapy?

Writing lyrics to express yourself is a form of therapy...reagrdless if its Kim or Lifes a Bitch

I get that. but if you rap about killing your baby's mother, and how your own mother is a whore, multiple times as well, it comes across as immature and childish, and makes him seem one-dimensional. It would be different if he wrote those lyrics as therapy but didn't release it.

 

[Stew]

@nycest_1 yes I am in the minority of rap fans and I'd rather it be that way. I could go on and on about why but its pretty obvious in this forum alone

 

[nycest_1]

@nycest_1 yes I am in the minority of rap fans and I'd rather it be that way. I could go on and on about why but its pretty obvious in this forum alone

thats coo, i'm jus sayin why you can't easily dismiss that as a valid argument

facts are rap generally isnt like most other music genres in that there aren't any instruments, or original sounds, its mostly carried by the rapper and delivery.

alot like poetry.

and if you can't feel the poets message or get the mood hes projecting, he will never be a great poet in your eyes

which is why i don't listen to alot of shit rappers in the modern era or any young money

 

[ghost!]

nas - longevity and consistency

this is the one artist i wanted to debate for debate sake. Not sayign i'm not a fan, not calling you a troll or saying eminem is the goat or anything.

but consistency? Nas has always rapped about "life in the projects, champagne simping, how intelligent is subject matter can be...and that's great..i'm a fan..but nas has ONE classic album. illmatic...he has a few songs sprinkled here in there but has ONE classic album...even his foe at the time jay z spoke about that....he's had hot joints no doubt...BUT ONE classic album

now eminem despite what others said on here, has at least one classic album (you can argue whatever else) and a few joints sparkled here and there..and his subject matter for him has stayed pretty much the same as well to who he is, as similair to nas

again i dont expect nor should nas fans to like him, or em fans to like nas if that's the case i really dont care who likes who..free country listen to whoever and like whoever u like..but something that gets over looked..

alot of rappers that are on katz list, follow the same suit as em, just their approach is diff.

you also mention how busta rhymes is as colorful as em when he makes his videos, andre 3000 dresses weird, even going back to "melle melle and the furious five"...look at his crew and see how they were dressing and acting..but they all can get away with it, em doesnt? And Em defininately aint the only rapper to say some real questionable sh*t in a rap, or subject matter. It's music..i can go on for years about questionable subject matter by artist

i aint trying to disagree with anything you said. i just wanted to point something out..

i'm done with this subject though.

 

[H-Rap 180]

the only legit reason to not have Eminem in your top ten...is because hes white.

outside of that, the SAME things you guys are saying about Eminem can be said for a LOT of rappers who are in people's top ten (in regards to catalog, ability to relate, etc).

but yall dont see it that way.

I made a list with 20 rappers on it and now I have 20 questions for anybody that thinks the SAME thing can be said for the other rappers on my list:

20 questions:



1.) How many rappers on that list have dissed their own mother

2.) How many rappers on that list rapped about homosexual-molestation by their step-father

3.) How many rappers on that list have beefed with multiple POP artists

4.) How many rappers on that list have dressed in full-drag in multiple rap videos

5.) How many rappers on that list have allowed a half-naked man to sit on their face at an awards ceremony

6.) How many rappers on that list ruined an entire Tupac album with shitty Souless production

7.) How many rappers on that list have disgusting and worthless songs like "Fack" & "Puke" & the Ken Kaniff skit

8.) How many rappers on that list have rap songs disguising their voice to sound like a Taliban soldier

9.) How many rappers on that list sued a HipHop publication to not release their racist rap songs

10.) How many rappers on that list have a multitude of POP chicks like Dido, Dina Rae, Martika, Skylar Gray, Hayley Williams & Pink on their solo-albums?

11.) How many rappers on that list explored beastiality in their rhymes and rapped about inserting gerbils in their anus

12.) Their are at least 8 rappers on that list who have worked with Dr Dre, how many of those rappers rapped about having unprotected sexual intercourse with Dr Dre?

13.) How many rappers on that list put their daughter on a song about killing the childs mother?

14.) How many rappers on that list said that they were inspired by serial-killers to make one of their albums?

15.) How many rappers on that list have performed live duets with openly homosexual males like Elton John?

16.) How many rappers on that list have dissed the King of Pop & the Queen of HipHop during their careers?

17.) How many rappers on that list have multiple Diamond selling albums and fans still argue if they have an actual classic?

18.) How many rappers on that list have verbally attributed half of their success on their skin-color?

19.) How many rappers on that list have an ongoing, repetitive, obsessive weird theme in their music over their childs mother?

20.) How many rappers on that list had their lyrics sang to a 911 operator by a man who just murdered his entire family of wife and children?

He's not top 10 material, you only have him on your list because he's white.

Matter of fact I listed 20 of the greatest rappers of all-time, now how many rappers on that list have a song with Emenim on it?

 

[narv]

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[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

Saying all rap has to be relatable is ridiculous. I can't relate to the majority of the shit nas, jay, dmx, biggie, rick ross, 50, meek mill, nipsey hussle, t.i., jeezy, etc. rap about so should I stop listening? Relating to it just adds to the music and if the artist can paint a picture of some shit despite me never being involved in that situation, life, etc.(nas) that makes them a great mc.

 

[ghost!]

Matter of fact I listed 20 of the greatest rappers of all-time, now how many rappers on that list have a song with Emenim on it?

ha ha at this fony.....

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir (rapped on a couple of tracks that was produce by him)

2.) Tupac (died)

3.) Rakim

4.) Ice Cube

5.) Andre 3000

6.) Scarface

7.) Big Daddy Kane

8.) LL Cool J

9.) JayZ (did u forget?)

10.) Black Thought (was in the BET cypher with him)

11.) Ghostface Killah

12.) KRS-One

15.) Big Pun (dead)

16.) Notorious B.I.G (dead)

17.) Common

18.) Slick Rick

19.) Snoop Dogg (did u forget?)

20.) Kool G Rap

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please let me turn it back around on you...out of that list..how many have each of these artist done with each other?

example LL...emm, BIG...maybe snoop? ahh im drawing a blank with anyone else on this list...please correct me if i'm wrong..

 

[ghost!]

Matter of fact I listed 20 of the greatest rappers of all-time, now how many rappers on that list have a song with Emenim on it?

ha ha at this fony.....

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir (rapped on a couple of tracks that was produce by him)

2.) Tupac (died)

3.) Rakim

4.) Ice Cube

5.) Andre 3000

6.) Scarface

7.) Big Daddy Kane

8.) LL Cool J

9.) JayZ (did u forget?)

10.) Black Thought (was in the BET cypher with him)

11.) Ghostface Killah

12.) KRS-One

15.) Big Pun (dead)

16.) Notorious B.I.G (dead)

17.) Common

18.) Slick Rick

19.) Snoop Dogg (did u forget?)

20.) Kool G Rap

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please let me turn it back around on you...out of that list..how many have each of these artist done with each other?

example LL...emm, BIG...maybe snoop? ghostface? ahh im drawing a blank with anyone else on this list...please correct me if i'm wrong..

 

[Queens Finest]

Real talk, ya'll only hate Eminem becasue he's a white boy..lets be real

 

[Lab Baby]

So, the summation of the reasons Em isn't top 10 (aside from the usual suspects bringing up nonsense) is that he isn't relatable and doesn't have a classic. Though I respect that, I disagree cuz those things go hand in hand. Em is a one of one... people don't relate so they're not gonna dick ride his work and call it a classic. That being said, individuality should be respected in hip hop. The fact that we say no one relates yet he sold millions says a lot about his artistry. And it's not some Vanilla Ice fling, or else he would've been gone after that coaster Encore, or at the latest Relapse.

Em is one of those dudes you gotta look at from an objective POV. Yeah, the stepfather molestation and the constant attacks on his BM (which I find hilarious) may be pushing it to some people, but that's the point of art... and as an ARTIST he's ONE of the best to do it. We get all holier than thou when he talks about killing people and raping his mom, but we bounce to joints that promote killing our own people, bashing our women and selling drugs to our community. If that's not your thing, cool. But if you're gonna use that argument to deny that Em is a top 10 MC, use that judgement on everyone in your list, and watch how drastic your list changes.

And for the record, Em is NOT a top 10 MC cuz Nas, Ghost, Big, Jay, AZ, Face, Redman, T.I. (yeah I said it), Kanye and Common all have better catalogues. Def a top 20 though... and he's shittin on everyone I mentioned on some rap shit cept Nas and Big.

 

[Lab Baby]

Matter of fact I listed 20 of the greatest rappers of all-time, now how many rappers on that list have a song with Emenim on it?

ha ha at this fony.....

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir (rapped on a couple of tracks that was produce by him)

2.) Tupac (died)

3.) Rakim

4.) Ice Cube

5.) Andre 3000

6.) Scarface

7.) Big Daddy Kane

8.) LL Cool J

9.) JayZ (did u forget?)

10.) Black Thought (was in the BET cypher with him)

11.) Ghostface Killah

12.) KRS-One

15.) Big Pun (dead)

16.) Notorious B.I.G (dead)

17.) Common

18.) Slick Rick

19.) Snoop Dogg (did u forget?)

20.) Kool G Rap

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please let me turn it back around on you...out of that list..how many have each of these artist done with each other?

example LL...emm, BIG...maybe snoop? ahh im drawing a blank with anyone else on this list...please correct me if i'm wrong..

Ra and LL bigged Em up publicly... and as far as G Rap and KRS...

 

[Queens Finest]

Niggas posting a top 20 list and forget Big L???? GTFOH

 

[H-Rap 180]

Matter of fact I listed 20 of the greatest rappers of all-time, now how many rappers on that list have a song with Emenim on it?

ha ha at this fony.....

H-Rap 180 wrote: »

First off let me share my current top 20:

1.) Nassir (rapped on a couple of tracks that was produce by him)

2.) Tupac (died)

3.) Rakim

4.) Ice Cube

5.) Andre 3000

6.) Scarface

7.) Big Daddy Kane

8.) LL Cool J

9.) JayZ (did u forget?)

10.) Black Thought (was in the BET cypher with him)

11.) Ghostface Killah

12.) KRS-One

15.) Big Pun (dead)

16.) Notorious B.I.G (dead)

17.) Common

18.) Slick Rick

19.) Snoop Dogg (did u forget?)

20.) Kool G Rap

---------------

please let me turn it back around on you...out of that list..how many have each of these artist done with each other?

example LL...emm, BIG...maybe snoop? ahh im drawing a blank with anyone else on this list...please correct me if i'm wrong..

You addresses the question but you didn't answer the question.

17 alive rappers how many of them put Emenim on their albums/songs/singles.

It's a family affair with most rappers that's why "Smile" feat Scarface & Tupac is a classics

"Gangsta Party" Snoop Dogg feat Tupac

"I Do" JayZ, Jeezy, & Andre 3000

Kool G Rap & Nas

Real talk, ya'll only hate Eminem becasue he's a white boy..lets be real

The only reason you people hate on LIL Wayne is because he's a Black man.