KANYE WEST: The "My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy" Thread

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havent heard the album and refuse to do so, I will be coping when the album drops, just like I do with Jay's albums
 
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Forget album of the year...best hip hop album of all time. Nothing touches this. This is fucking Beatles territory.
 
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bcotton2000@yahoo.com;1602223 said:
just got done listening, album is very mediocre. Borderline wack

Poor lyrically and the beats just aint hitting I understand trying to expand your style but his new sound is wack.

You wanna know how I know you trollin?

Check the bold.
 
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rapmastermind;1600592 said:
Here are the fully Production and Sample Credits from the album:

http://freetexthost.com/3tyhqgtofx

Woah. Alicia's on two tracks. It's definitely gettin' bought. LOL. For real though, it's a great album and will probably go down as a classic.

On a side note, I wish somebody would try to ever discredit Dre or any other producer for using co-producers after praising Kanye's production for this album when there's barely a track on here that doesn't have multiple co-producers.
 
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Pure speculation, but after listening to the album I get the feelin Kanye might of Chris Browned Amber Rose.

Maybe this is why they say he paid her to keep her mouth shut. Imagine if it came out that she got the Rihanna treatment, after the Talior Swift incident that could ended Kanye's career.
 
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bcotton2000@yahoo.com;1602560 said:
when did I say that?

What does that have to do with this album?

Lets not act like you haven't gone said in a few different threads "PINK FRIDAY IS ALREADY A CLASSIC, NOV. (Insert whatever fucking date)"
 
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Album Review: Kanye West – My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

BY MICHAEL DENSLOW ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2010 IN

Hip-hop fans are a tough bunch to please. New artists are maligned for not sounding like the old ones, but there is no crime greater than “biting” those who’ve come before. In short, to be considered great an artist needs to sound like they were around in ’88, but not sound like anyone who was around in ’88. Rappers are applauded for being “real”, but what this reality encompasses is never explicitly stated. In a genre and a culture that expects its great artists to submit to a vague set of ideological rules, it is difficult to pinpoint exactly where Kanye West fits into the pantheon of hip-hop royalty.

Kanye breaks plenty of rules on My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. The album is composed of nine-minute rap epics that don’t adhere to traditional verse-chorus-verse guidelines. False endings give way to noodling instrumental outros. But perhaps the rule Kanye violates the most flagrantly is also the biggest recipe for disaster: Don’t sound like you are setting out to make the greatest album of all time. This is the most certain way to start ringing the “realness” alarm bells. Yet he somehow pulls it off, and he does it by backing up all the swagger and hype with an album that may actually be that good.

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is hands-down the most ambitious mainstream rap album ever made. It also may be the best produced. Everything here sparkles and nothing is out of place. It probably wasn’t by design, but the very title of the album spits in the face of the goofy “real” concept. Album opener “Dark Fantasy” kicks off with a spoken word intro from Nicki Minaj, whose talking voice is almost as interesting as her rapping voice. As soon as her voice dies down it gives way to a maelstrom of strings, horns, synths and percussion that does not give way until the final moments of Gil Scott-Heron’s outraged rant on “Who Will Survive in America”.

“Runaway”, the album’s emotional center, debuted at this year’s VMA’s, where it served as a subtle retort to Taylor Swift’s condescending and much hyped “I-Forgive-Kanye” moment. Kanye is one of the great innovators of the sung-rap-song movement that has dominated urban radio the last few years, but here he takes it to new extremes. Built on a heartbreakingly lonely piano loop, the song finds Kanye bemoaning his personality flaws and features a tight verse from Clipse MC Pusha T. But what sets it apart is the false ending. Well past the five minute mark the music gives way, only to return with that same piano loop and Kanye West going bananas with his vocoder for about four minutes.

Just as ambitious is “All of the Lights”. Kanye turns the posse track formula on its head by bringing together (deep breath) Rihanna, Alicia Keys, Elton John, John Legend, The-Dream, Fergie, Kid Cudi, Ryan Leslie, Charlie Wilson, Tony Williams, and Elly Jackson over an epic horn-driven track, creating a “Where’s Waldo” for music nerds. But instead of devolving into a bloated mess or a cheesy celebrity sing-along, Kanye’s production turns it into an epic sing-along, more arena-rock than hip-hop.

But “All of the Lights” is just the tip of the guest artist iceberg. The album could be fairly credited to Kanye and Friends, with the star of the show finding the most flattering use for all of them. You’ve already heard it a thousand times, but it bears repeating that Nicki Minaj delivers the best verse of the year on “Monster”. A fuzzed-out Raekwon verse is one of the highlights of “Gorgeous” and nobody can bellow the words “fucking ridiculous” in quite the same way as his Wu-Tang brother RZA on “So Appalled”. John Legend’s soulful vocals and piano set a nice backdrop to Chris Rock’s jokes on “Blame Game”. Justin Vernon of Bon Iver lends his voice to both “Monster” and the frantic album closer “Lost in the World”.

West’s emotion is yet another factor that has set him apart from so many of his peers. In a genre obsessed with being hard and keeping your feelings inside, he has shown that it is ok to let them out once in a while and his example has been followed throughout the genre, most notably by Drake. Tracks such as “Blame Game” and “So Appalled” find an introspective Kanye reflecting on the same subject matter that defined 808’s and Hearbreak: the trappings of fame and fortune and how they relate to his humanity.

It is almost incomprehensible how Kanye West is able to pull off such an ambitious project to such near-perfect results. Every point that seems set up for failure is another opportunity for Kanye to prove his mastery. The track order is flawless. The biggest hurdle West faces here is following up the emotionally draining “Runaway”, and once again he is up to the task with “Hell of a Life”, an upbeat head banger with an “Iron Man” inspired hook and a good helping of that Kanye wit.

With the staggering production it’s easy to forget that Kanye is also a pretty decent rapper. Perhaps the only thing that keeps him out of those redundant “greatest rapper” discussions is the fact that, well, he’s never been a great rapper. He has always possessed sharp wit and complex lyrical themes, but even his biggest fans are not going to argue that he has a flow that deserves to be mentioned in the same paragraph with guys like Jay-Z and Rakim. While Kanye seems to have honed his skills a bit since the release of “Graduation” – his last rap album – it’s unlikely that anything here is going to change anyone’s mind on that matter. Still, a thorough listen reveals that Kanye’s wordplay is often deceptively complex, such as on a creative double name-drop of Leona Lewis and Kings of Leon on “Dark Fantasy”.

There is no question that this album is a game changer. It’s Kanye West’s greatest work and not only does it prove that his name deserves to be in any greatest-of-all-time discussions, but it changes the way we have these conversations. Do the greatest rappers need to possess the flow of Rakim or the fury of Chuck D? In just over 30 years hip-hop has progressed from street corners to stadiums and while it has lost much of the rawness and joy of its earliest incarnations, it has become a worldwide cultural force, creating jobs, changing lives, and projecting urban realities to millions of people. Kanye West’s music and persona may not always ring true of the original concept of hip-hop, but he is the exemplary model of what it has become and where it is headed.

http://consequenceofsound.net/2010/11/15/album-review-kanye-west-my-beautiful-dark-twisted-fantasy/
 
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$pyda;1603939 said:
Lmao "who reupholstered your pussy?" "Yeezy reupholstered my pussy"

I was listening to that shit last night and I laughed at work. I like the album, the grow of real hip hop
 
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Dizzel3000;1598757 said:
OK ... maybe i need to clarify and ask what exactly do you mean when you say lacking substance ..or what exactly would qualify as substantive matter to you ..because on each of those tracks he talks about something thats either happening in his life or something from the past ...so i guess i dont follow how that would be considered non-substantive..its not like he's making my lambo gold my lambo gold im crusin thru the city and my lambo gold types of tracks

He's not??

Kanye West said:
I fantasized about this back in Chicago

Mercy, mercy me, that Murcielago

That's me, the first year that I blow

How you say broke in Spanish? Me no hablo

Me drown sorrow in that Diablo

Me found bravery in my bravado

DJs need to listen to the models

You ain't got no fuckin' Yeezy in your Serrato? ("You ain't got no Yeezy, nigga?")

Stupid, but what the fuck do I know?

I'm just a Chi-town nigga with a Nas flow

And my bitch in that new Phoebe Philo

So much head, I woke up to Sleepy Hollow

And for comparison here's a Kanye West verse with substance.

Kanye West said:
And I heard 'em say, nothing's ever promised tomorrow today

From the Chi, like Tim it's a Hard-a-way

So this is in the name of love like Robert say

Before you ask me to go get a job today

Can I at least get a raise of the minimum wage?

And I know that the governments administer aids

So I guess we just pray like the minister say

Allah-u Akbar and throw him some hot cars

Things we see on the screen that's not ours

But these niggaz from the hood so these dreams not far

Where I'm from the dope boys is the rock stars

But they can't cop cars with seein cop cars

I guess they want us all behind bars - I know it

He certainly goes in on some of these tracks like Gorgeous and Lost in the World and he gets introspective about relationships on tracks like Blame Game and Runaway, but for the most part he's just rapping about how great he is or about chicks, like on So Appalled and Monster.
 
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Meet The Sniper;1603730 said:
You wanna know how I know you trollin?

Check the bold.

None of the verses on the album made me run it back or go "ooh"

lol Goddamn Im honestly not even on no hating shit yall niggas got issues,

I gave my honest opinion and got attacked by like 7 different posters, I can see if I was in here hating throughout the thread
 
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MBDTF isn't really much of a singles friendly album, especially when tunes are usually sprawling past the 6 minute mark, but the more I listen to All Of The Lights the more it's saying to me that Kanye blatantly needs to release it next as a single. Such an amazing tune
 
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