Kanye West is much better than Jay-Z OVERALL.

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bigrizz;2059547 said:
I always liked havoc as a producer, and he ended up outshining P a few times. He just hasnt had the commerical success kanye has

yeah the infamous is one my fav albums beat wise
 
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nah he really isnt jay hasn't never really fallen off and kanye is looking like he on a down turn. No way Ross and Nicki Minaj should be outshining you on tracks.
 
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Overall Kanye is no where in the league as Jay lyrically, nor will he ever be...I see people put production on there but Jay doesn't make beats at all so how can you say that? Kanye is a very creative dude, but his album are not great at all...argubly Jay has atleast 4 classics.. Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album, American Gangster...I would go out and say 5...IMO Kingdom Come was a great album, some didn't like it because it was more mature than his other albums....how many albums has Kanye made that is lyrically better than the albums I just named?
 
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Kanye has been an overall better artist than Jay Z for a minute now even when his production is taken out of the equation. Kanye has been a better songwriter and has made better albums than Jay Z since Jay came out of retirement. American Gangster is the only post-retirement Jay album on par with Kanye's albums. I would say he's been a bigger star than Jay, but BP3 did better than MBDTF is doing even though Kanye's album is better. Jay Z is the overall better rapper due to flow, delivery and lyrics. Kanye is no slouch either though. He's actually a better lyricist than most would give him credit for.
 
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bigrizz;2059511 said:
But Jay-z needs Kanye. A just blaze. Kanye doesnt need to pay any producer. He can rap on his own shit

Hell, everyones top 5 couldnt do an album alone..kanye could

Kanye = most complete hip hop artist ever?

Both members of OutKast, Lauryn Hill, and Cee Lo Green are more complete than Kanye.
 
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georgia boi;2059935 said:
Both members of OutKast, Lauryn Hill, and Cee Lo Green are more complete than Kanye.

Kanye still need niggas to make beats for him. He don't do all his stuff by himself . He has a piano player etc. I don't even think he can read music.
 
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As an overall package Kanye is better than most who have gotten involved with Hip Hop so yeah, he's better than Jay-Z.

As a rapper Jay-Z is better but Kanye's far more than that which is why he's a more complete artist than Jay-Z.
 
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Ye probably got better albums, but jigga is still light years ahead of him.

We're talkin about a GOAT and a very soild ARTIST
 
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Diamond D>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kanye

Stunts Blunts and Hip Hop>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any of that metrosexual shit
 
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Tree Fiddy;2059490 said:
Good question!

Nah for real I totally fucked up the presentation of this thread and thought.

What I'm really trying to say is that Kanye is on some other shit that has never been replicated, even by his 'big brother'.

I've been up on Kanye since 10 years ago, and I'm just proud of him, that's all.

So tell me what on mbdtf was on some different shit, and im not talking about production wise either......
 
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t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088;2060134 said:
So tell me what on mbdtf was on some different shit, and im not talking about production wise either......

Blame Game springs to mind immediately, can't think of anyone who's done a song like that in rap right now
 
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[video=youtube;QMPmkfXcnOI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMPmkfXcnOI[/video]

ya niggas tell me hov verse wasnt better than kanye and weezy smh
 
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I smh @ people who try to compare Hov to Kanye. Go listen to albums like "Reasonable Doubt" or "American Gangster" and ask yourself if Ye could even dream of dropping verses like "Regrets" or EVEN "Feelin It". Kanye should be mentioned with rappers like T.I. and Rick Ross, NOT with the Jay-Z's, Nas's, or Eminems. And to niggas saying Ye is the better producer, why should that be factored in when Hov has never (to my knowledge) even attempted to produce? That's like saying Mike Vrabel is better than Ray Lewis because he makes plays on offense whereas Ray Lewis doesn't (Despite the fact Ray is the much better Linebacker).
 
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[video=youtube;TnVuCr6b6nQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnVuCr6b6nQ[/video]

kanye killed it but his mentor is better grasshopper
 
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