John Kerry Defends 2-State Solution as 'Only' Path to Peace for Israelis and Palestinians!

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AZTG;c-9571786 said:
And the settlement issue is not all its going to take to fix the issue.

And a post here will never be enough to talk about different sides of the israeli-palestinian issues, but, Palestianian leaderships is just as much to blame as the Israeli leadership.

Lets not romanticize the issue and make it sound like Palestine is just an innocent victim and big bad Israel is just killing them.

They are/were innocent victims though, there was nothing honest or cool with the UN giving/taking the land back in 48...that was an act of war by itself...David Ben Gurion said it out loud back then, repeated it in his memoirs...hamas was born in a refugee camp...all extremes are present during war and they have been conditioned since before all of us were born sans @Cain
 
HundredEyes;c-9572139 said:
Inglewood_B;c-9571968 said:
All religious ramifications aside... They should've done this decades ago. It's too late for "peace".

Fuck Israel look like recognizing them as a state when Palestinians don't even recognize Israel right now.

what I don't get is why the Palestinians just don't go to Saudi Arabia where all their Holy sites are.

Cause your assumption is loaded with ignorance fam, not only are most christians running the old churches there palestinian, there are several islamic holy sites over there, the most important one in Jerusalem...

The "holy site" in Jerusalem is like 3rd most important to Islam, where as for Hebrew/Christians it is the #1 place.

Basically their whole beef is wanting to dominate that whole region. Fuck Islam it's a trash religion. One of the worst in history
 
HundredEyes;c-9572150 said:
AZTG;c-9571786 said:
And the settlement issue is not all its going to take to fix the issue.

And a post here will never be enough to talk about different sides of the israeli-palestinian issues, but, Palestianian leaderships is just as much to blame as the Israeli leadership.

Lets not romanticize the issue and make it sound like Palestine is just an innocent victim and big bad Israel is just killing them.

They are/were innocent victims though, there was nothing honest or cool with the UN giving/taking the land back in 48...that was an act of war by itself...David Ben Gurion said it out loud back then, repeated it in his memoirs...hamas was born in a refugee camp...all extremes are present during war and they have been conditioned since before all of us were born sans @Cain

You right about that. The way it started was complete bs. But im talking in the years since. Palestinian leadership could have done better.

Legitly, the people from both sides are cool with peace. If you told them they were going to the 2 state solution the people will agree to it and be cool. In a few generations the hate might even die down.

But, you cant tell me the leadership on either side actually want peace
 
Inglewood_B;c-9572177 said:
HundredEyes;c-9572139 said:
Inglewood_B;c-9571968 said:
All religious ramifications aside... They should've done this decades ago. It's too late for "peace".

Fuck Israel look like recognizing them as a state when Palestinians don't even recognize Israel right now.

what I don't get is why the Palestinians just don't go to Saudi Arabia where all their Holy sites are.

Cause your assumption is loaded with ignorance fam, not only are most christians running the old churches there palestinian, there are several islamic holy sites over there, the most important one in Jerusalem...

The "holy site" in Jerusalem is like 3rd most important to Islam, where as for Hebrew/Christians it is the #1 place.

Basically their whole beef is wanting to dominate that whole region. Fuck Islam it's a trash religion. One of the worst in history

Bruh. Smh. Islam is a religion, palestinian is a ethinicity. Why would Saudis accept millions of Palestinians to just live in their country?

Its like saying, the US is Christian, Mexicans are christians, why dont they just let Mexicans in the country?

Germany is Christian and so is Brazil, why dont the Germans take in every improvished Brazilian?

I mean, Islam is a trash ass religion. So yea we agree but the rest of that shit is retarded.
 
1. We do let Mexicans into the country. I live in LA, you can't tell me otherwise.

2. There's a huge fucking ocean between Germany and Brazil. So no... of course THAT doesn't make sense.

3. Israel to Saudi Arabia

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Palestinians want to control the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem, which is where the Judie-Christian holy sites are.

If the Palestinians were legit wanting to "share" Jerusalem, they'd be doing that already peacefully. But they are Muslim, and what the muslims want is to control Jerusalem.

They already have Mecca and Medina in SA to themselves. Their goal is complete DOMINATION. If they controlled Jerusalem Christians and Jews would be getting the boot. Bet that.
 
Inglewood_B;c-9572252 said:
Palestinians want to control the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem, which is where the Judie-Christian holy sites are.

If the Palestinians were legit wanting to "share" Jerusalem, they'd be doing that already peacefully. But they are Muslim, and what the muslims want is to control Jerusalem.

They already have Mecca and Medina in SA to themselves. Their goal is complete DOMINATION. If they controlled Jerusalem Christians and Jews would be getting the boot. Bet that.

In that sense Jews are the same. They dont want to share Jerusalem either.

And again, you are talking religious lands. And thats cool and all, its definetly an issue, but the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is not happening because of Jerusalem.

The issue is, after WW2, Europe and America took Palestinian land and gave it to Israel. Palestinians have been fighting for their land ever since. The Arab countries support their Arab brothers BUT, end of the day, they are different countries. Why would Saudia Arabia take in Millions of people from another country?

Shit makes 0 sense.

And again, we agree that Islam is shit.

And Jews been trying to give Muslims the boot in the area ever since they took control, so what are we really saying?

 
If Israel really wanted to give them the boot, they would have. They have the backing of the US and their own nuclear arsenal, that's the only reason the Arab/Muslim countries in that region hasn't wiped them off the map already. They allow some 2 million arab Palestinians to stay there anyway, despite that.

And why wouldn't Saudi Arabia let them in? Tens of millions of muslims come into that country every year for the hajj.

 
"DNA voice" man get them all the fuck outta here. Bomb all that shit start over.

But for real though. The 2 state solution is the only real solution. But there is no way you can rationalize with people that make religion such a big part of their lives. Shit look at DuYou no matter how much we ask him to take us out of the group notifications that muthafucka (respectfully) doesn't. No my G I don't know Jesus not even a person named Jesus and Im Latino.
 
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Inglewood_B;c-9572306 said:
If Israel really wanted to give them the boot, they would have. They have the backing of the US and their own nuclear arsenal, that's the only reason the Arab/Muslim countries in that region hasn't wiped them off the map already. They allow some 2 million arab Palestinians to stay there anyway, despite that.

And why wouldn't Saudi Arabia let them in? Tens of millions of muslims come into that country every year for the hajj.

the motherfuckers that come in for hajj leave though. kinda like you go to Toronto on vacation for a weekend but just cant decide to stay. this shouldnt be this hard to understand bruh
 
Hmm what does duteronomy say about Isreal feel itself. Arent there warning for Isreal. Says something about that land being taken away if Isreal ain't living right ? Correct?

Is Isreal living to God's law? The destruction of Isreal/world is not about America but Isreal u warning the wrong people bro
 
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Ajackson17;c-9571773 said:
imgoingtoheavenru?;c-9571755 said:
Ajackson17;c-9571715 said:
Good I agree with that decision. The greedy Israelis need to quit being thugs and conquerors

How? What have they conquered? They've actually given land that belongs to them.

How does land belong to you if you weren't there first? No Bible this and that just be real. It's like British and Dutch saying South Africa is our land and yet they have no recent ancestry there for tens of thousands of years but these people been there tens of thousands of years. It makes no sense to just uproot people who have a chronological and documented history there for thousands of years. That's what I mean

Actually the original inhabitants of the land were the Hittites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. When was the last time you seen an:

Amorite?

or

Canaanite?

or

Perizzite?

or

Hivite?

or

Jebustie?

That's right, you can't find them because they don't exist as a people group anymore. Why? Because King Jesus judged them! He told the Israelites to disposes the canaanites of the land because of their wicked abominations! He said that the land was defiled because of them! Therefore King Jesus did visit the iniquity that was upon it, and the land itself vomited out her inhabitants!

That is why you don't see a canaanite anymore! Amen.
 
AZTG;c-9571780 said:
It really is the only option. I mean, neither side is ever gonna be ok living under the other. Never gonna be a stable part of the world until a true two state solution is put into place.

But, the reason why this is a bigger deal with every passing year is that, this was never a secutiry issue for the US. Israels treatment of Palestinians were and is the number one cause of any radicilization used by Islamist to radicalize the youth.

Before Al Qaeda and 9-11, this was an issue but never a threat to the homeland or Europe. After 9-11, and increasingly so, these radical islamists are becoming a bigger and bigger threat to the US and Europe.

Also, the economic theory in the world has been shifting with globilization. Before, an unstable region of the world would economically cripple that region. Now, the instability of a place like Iraq, Syria, or Israel/Palestian affects the world, icluding the US. Economic theory of 50 years ago for example was he who controls the resources has the power. With that in mind, the US would support brutal regimes in the mid-east, latin america, and africa because they would mean they would control the resources, chose how its exported and who its exported too.

Now though, its much easier to trade between countries. Any country could essentially trade with the other. So, today economic theory is shifting to the idea if a place is stable, they can produce more resources amd maxamize output which will benefit all.

With that idea in mind, the first real step to stabilizing the middle east is to fix the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

Ofcourse, as with any revolution in thought, there will be groups who are against the change and try to hold onto outdated principles. The Trump administation is going to be that.

1. Islam was radicalized from it's inception though. Have you read what Muhammad did in order bring submission to all the different tribes in Arabia?

2. And I think your missing the whole point of what Islam teaches. True muslims have one goal in mind and that is to bring the whole world under submission to allah. There is no other option in their doctrine.

3. This will only be accomplished by war! Have you read their eschatology?

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There is a reason why ISIS uses the black flag.

There is a reason why Iran has a black flag.

Are you familiar at all with any of this?

 
not_osirus_jenkins;c-9571828 said:
imgoingtoheavenru?;c-9571751 said:
not_osirus_jenkins;c-9571693 said:
Gods gonna come back cuz some land disputes. Crazy how he didn't come back when africa was being raped of its people and resources a few hundred yrs. Selective ass nigga.

It wasn't the appointed time my friend. But now is the season. For we are not to be ignorant of the times and season of His return if you are a child of light. Hope you wake up before it's too late! For King Jesus is coming and BOY is He angry!

Amen!

That sucks, that millions died and it still wasn't the time. Kinda hard to have faith in something like that.

1. God works according to His timetable though, not yours.

2. And man dies because we are sinners. The baby who is miscarried, the stillborn who never got to see the sun, the infant, the child, the young, the middle aged, the 60 year old, and the elderly. It doesn't matter what the age is! Everybody dies because we are sinners. Yes, for it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment!

3. But in Christ shall all be made alive! Hallelujah!
 
northside7;c-9571947 said:
I've never understood and probably never will understand how my brown skin people hail these European imposters as God's chosen people. No logical sense to it at all.

I just pray to God that I'm alive to see that evil country burn to the ground.

The nations will try, but will be utterly rebuked by God. Both in the Gog and Magog war. And in the battle of Armageddon. Amen.
 
Inglewood_B;c-9571968 said:
All religious ramifications aside... They should've done this decades ago. It's too late for "peace".

Fuck Israel look like recognizing them as a state when Palestinians don't even recognize Israel right now.

what I don't get is why the Palestinians just don't go to Saudi Arabia where all their Holy sites are.

The billion dollar question!
 
illedout;c-9572131 said:
AZTG;c-9571708 said:
not_osirus_jenkins;c-9571693 said:
Gods gonna come back cuz some land disputes. Crazy how he didn't come back when africa was being raped of its people and resources a few hundred yrs. Selective ass nigga.

Only the chosen peoples matter bruh.

We (Black people) are the chosen people..

No. If you are in Christ you are the chosen people. Outside of Christ you are a dead dog and good for nothing but to be utterly burned forever and ever. Amen.
 
HundredEyes;c-9572139 said:
Inglewood_B;c-9571968 said:
All religious ramifications aside... They should've done this decades ago. It's too late for "peace".

Fuck Israel look like recognizing them as a state when Palestinians don't even recognize Israel right now.

what I don't get is why the Palestinians just don't go to Saudi Arabia where all their Holy sites are.

Cause your assumption is loaded with ignorance fam, not only are most christians running the old churches there palestinian, there are several islamic holy sites over there, the most important one in Jerusalem...

Have you read the KORAN? Jerusalem isn't even mentioned by name ONCE in the whole of that book!

Look it up! This is simple knowledge!

 

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