(Joe Budden responds)NUPAC aka Troy Ave makes a diss record about Joe Budden and Mysonne

[KillaCham]

What is the back story behind this beef?

Joe Budden gave his two cents on the issues going on with Troy Ave, Ave didn't like it so he dissed him on a song. Same with Mysonne.

So pretty much how every Joe Budden beef starts

 

[CapitalB]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

 

[AP21]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

so it has nothing to do with the fact that Graduation was a better album?

is has nothing to do wtih the the fact that he became more known for his antics vs his music?

at the end of the day, yea, Ross was a sucka for the CO shit, however, he kept making music to the point where dudes was like "wait, Ross be actually spitting", while 50 was still sounding like he was chasing GRODT

if anything, the Ye and Fif thing got people going back to the record stores to buy albums at a time when niggas wasnt buying SHIT. They even orchestrated the thing. NO ONE LOST in that situation

stop making excuses for Fif Boss lol

 

[CapitalB]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

so it has nothing to do with the fact that Graduation was a better album?

is has nothing to do wtih the the fact that he became more known for his antics vs his music?

at the end of the day, yea, Ross was a sucka for the CO shit, however, he kept making music to the point where dudes was like "wait, Ross be actually spitting", while 50 was still sounding like he was chasing GRODT

if anything, the Ye and Fif thing got people going back to the record stores to buy albums at a time when niggas wasnt buying SHIT. They even orchestrated the thing. NO ONE LOST in that situation

stop making excuses for Fif Boss lol

graduation was the better album..

but if not for that head up fade he wouldnt have outsold and we know how the industry is.. they greenlit anything "Kanye'ish" niggas wit none of his talent..

now we got weirdos runnin rampant cause they may not have his talent but they got his antics and questionable fashion down to a t..

thats what im talkin about..

and nah.. sorry.

i dont care how "good" ur music is if u fake or straight bitch if i cant respect u i really aint tryin to check for ur music.. but thats jus me.. not gonna put that kind of pressure and integrity on the next but jus dont cry when fake niggas flood the market is all im sayin. lol

and 50 music may not be "as hot" as when he first came out but we can fight nigga cause his shit still go! hahaha

outside of his popularity he hasnt fell off to me..

 

[blackgod813]

All I know is 50 hasn't had an effective diss since Piggy Bank. Nelly LYRICALLY killed KRS on #1 (#1 was the Back To Back of its generation. A diss getting heavy radio play). And all of the battles Joe Budden have been included in are debatable minus the Lil B battle. Lil B surprisingly embarassed Joe.

So lemme get this straight. Go ahead try me and tia told me had no affect on Ross? He isn't even taken seriously on that gangsta shit at all.

But Niggas on here can argue that Meek some how damaged Drake in the long run? Oh ok

Tia Told Me was garbage......

I'm sure I'm not the only one who forgot it even existed until you brought it up.

The hook to Window Shopper >>> Tia Told Me

Wats tia told me.....

 

[5th Letter]

This should be an interesting battle. Joe is far superior to Troy lyrically. But none of that lyrical shit matters when all Troy can do is just talk reckless and clown Budden nonstop. We know Troy gives no fucks word to Steez.

What can a nigga really say about Joe that other niggas ain't said.I know Troy can't do it any better.

It doesn't matter if other people said it before. You watch battle rap right? How many ways have you seen people take the same angle and put their own spin on it to defeat their opponent? Joe will drop a 5 minute lyrical diss on Troy and Troy is gonna say some disrespectful shit and joke on Budden. Being more lyrical isn't the only factor when it comes to battle rap.

Ppl in battle rap hate overused angles.

if you use them they better be creative.

Yeah in this case Joe could easily beat Troy.

Troy ain't the teflon don.He got some shit to talk about.

A nigga could ether his soul.Light work.

Joe has battled Game,Ransom,Jay Z(Kinda),Prodigy,G Unit etc

who the fuck is a Troy Ave?

Nas and Hov should've easily beaten Jim and Cam but them Dipset niggas kept clowning two clearly superior emcees. KRS One was supposed to wash Nelly, Budden was supposed wash Lil B, Canibus was supposed to body LL, Styles and Jada was supposed to wash 50. Again it's not just about who's more lyrical when it comes to deciding who wins a battle.

Jay wasn't even rapping when Jim was throwing darts,but Jay sent some darts that way on Kingdom Come a lot.Nobody feels like Dip Set bodied Jay.

The Nelly vs KRS shit was wack.KRS had no reasoning and he wasn't in top form.Nobody won that.Nelly's little verse was good.Nobody says Nelly beat KRS.

LiL B is a joke.Period.Nobody gives a fuck about him.He made an album called I'm gay and calls himself a pretty bitch.I don't even know why he dissed Joe.Anyway.he did nothing.He is nothing.

Canibus did body LL on 2nd round knockout.And his 1st verse was fire he had that started that on 4,3,2,1.Before LL re recorded.And I heard he got a ghostwriter.And LL...NVM

Styles and Jada did wash 50.They gave 50 the business.Piggy Bank was weak compared to the shit The Lox was saying.50 had to make friends with them niggas to stop that shit.

It's not always about lyrics,but you need them.50 beat Ja because he's a better MC.

A good/great MC can beat a lyricist and vice versa.

Troy Ave is a rapper though.He's not a move the crowd guy or a bar for bar guy.

He also has a light ass voice that doesn't sound aggressive on diss tracks.

I think you're missing the point, let me expound. Jay Z and Nas are much more lyrically advanced than Cam and Jimmy, I think we can agree on that. So based on that Nas and Jay should wash Dipset, but that didn't happen. All Cam and Jimmy did was continually clown on Jay and Nas, so in the end the less lyrically superior rappers held their own in the beef. You're making excuses to deflect from the point in terms of KRS One, the lesser talented rapper held his own, Styles and Jada did not wash 50, 50 kept joking on them (like Dipset did Jay and Nas) and threatened their careers by using his power, so whatever bars they spit against 50 was nullified. LL dropped 2 or 3 scathing disses bodying whatever career Bis had left, not saying Bis wasn't spitting. But saying otherwise is revisionist history. Lastly Lil B did to Budden what Jim and Cam did to Nas and Jay, by joking on Budden. Troy obviously has a way of saying things to get under peoples skin. He doesn't have to outbar Budden, he just has to talk shit and clown on Joe, and not let up.

Scathing LL disses? Scathing my nigga?For that matter Canibus dropped shit afterwards talking about LL getting fucked by his father figure....nigga that's scathing.

That shit he had against 2nd round knockout is rap trash .Nobody remembers that song while 2nd round knockout is easily top 5-10 diss records ever made.

So what if they joked on them.They don't have any song where I can say they got at them.

Jay and Nas didn't reply to them niggas because they knew they just wanted publicity off their names,but rap wise they weren't worth the beef.Jay sent darts though.

Jay already won the battle having them on his label and then becoming the boss off the company that distributes that company...then held up the artist they had on that label.

Nelly didn't body shit.His verse was wack.He should never open his mouth to KRS.He didn't win anything.

Talking shit and clowning isn't beating somebody in a battle

That's not all he has to do to a battle tested better MC who does this for real.

You make me not like Troy Ave acting like he built like that on some rap shit.

Anyway not to get off the point. I showed you examples of lesser talented holding their own and/or beating more talented rappers.

And I can't not make you like anybody bruh.

In none of those cases did the lesser beat the more talented person with raps.

Yes it did.

 

[blackgod813]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

So wat they kissin damn lol

 

[AP21]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

so it has nothing to do with the fact that Graduation was a better album?

is has nothing to do wtih the the fact that he became more known for his antics vs his music?

at the end of the day, yea, Ross was a sucka for the CO shit, however, he kept making music to the point where dudes was like "wait, Ross be actually spitting", while 50 was still sounding like he was chasing GRODT

if anything, the Ye and Fif thing got people going back to the record stores to buy albums at a time when niggas wasnt buying SHIT. They even orchestrated the thing. NO ONE LOST in that situation

stop making excuses for Fif Boss lol

graduation was the better album..

but if not for that head up fade he wouldnt have outsold and we know how the industry is.. they greenlit anything "Kanye'ish" niggas wit none of his talent..

now we got weirdos runnin rampant cause they may not have his talent but they got his antics and questionable fashion down to a t..

thats what im talkin about..

and nah.. sorry.

i dont care how "good" ur music is if u fake or straight bitch if i cant respect u i really aint tryin to check for ur music.. but thats jus me.. not gonna put that kind of pressure and integrity on the next but jus dont cry when fake niggas flood the market is all im sayin. lol

and 50 music may not be "as hot" as when he first came out but we can fight nigga cause his shit still go! hahaha

outside of his popularity he hasnt fell off to me..

how come you so anti saving hoes, but you up in here with your cape for 50 boss LMAO

 

[Mr.LV]

"You ratted on preme, he probably your father nigga" Styles p and Jadakiss was going at 50 something vicious

 

[CapitalB]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

so it has nothing to do with the fact that Graduation was a better album?

is has nothing to do wtih the the fact that he became more known for his antics vs his music?

at the end of the day, yea, Ross was a sucka for the CO shit, however, he kept making music to the point where dudes was like "wait, Ross be actually spitting", while 50 was still sounding like he was chasing GRODT

if anything, the Ye and Fif thing got people going back to the record stores to buy albums at a time when niggas wasnt buying SHIT. They even orchestrated the thing. NO ONE LOST in that situation

stop making excuses for Fif Boss lol

graduation was the better album..

but if not for that head up fade he wouldnt have outsold and we know how the industry is.. they greenlit anything "Kanye'ish" niggas wit none of his talent..

now we got weirdos runnin rampant cause they may not have his talent but they got his antics and questionable fashion down to a t..

thats what im talkin about..

and nah.. sorry.

i dont care how "good" ur music is if u fake or straight bitch if i cant respect u i really aint tryin to check for ur music.. but thats jus me.. not gonna put that kind of pressure and integrity on the next but jus dont cry when fake niggas flood the market is all im sayin. lol

and 50 music may not be "as hot" as when he first came out but we can fight nigga cause his shit still go! hahaha

outside of his popularity he hasnt fell off to me..

how come you so anti saving hoes, but you up in here with your cape for 50 boss LMAO

what do u mean!!? im always savin hoes!! :joy: :joy:

 

[D. Morgan]

Nelly made KRS-1 go crazy and invent a hip hop good when he melted that old man. I was there in clubs in 02 when women were doing the KRS countdown and singing roc the mic remix word for word.

Krs diss was weak af. Just alot of imaginary battler threats. If there was a feelings button or Jordan face meme in 2002 it would of been on KRS face when he fully advertised Nellyville to his backpack dorks "don't buy his album on June 25". Nigga the record stores was packed that day. I bought myself, my woman and niece a copy of Nellyville at midnight release. kRs lost

 

[loch121]

This should be an interesting battle. Joe is far superior to Troy lyrically. But none of that lyrical shit matters when all Troy can do is just talk reckless and clown Budden nonstop. We know Troy gives no fucks word to Steez.

What can a nigga really say about Joe that other niggas ain't said.I know Troy can't do it any better.

It doesn't matter if other people said it before. You watch battle rap right? How many ways have you seen people take the same angle and put their own spin on it to defeat their opponent? Joe will drop a 5 minute lyrical diss on Troy and Troy is gonna say some disrespectful shit and joke on Budden. Being more lyrical isn't the only factor when it comes to battle rap.

Ppl in battle rap hate overused angles.

if you use them they better be creative.

Yeah in this case Joe could easily beat Troy.

Troy ain't the teflon don.He got some shit to talk about.

A nigga could ether his soul.Light work.

Joe has battled Game,Ransom,Jay Z(Kinda),Prodigy,G Unit etc

who the fuck is a Troy Ave?

Nas and Hov should've easily beaten Jim and Cam but them Dipset niggas kept clowning two clearly superior emcees. KRS One was supposed to wash Nelly, Budden was supposed wash Lil B, Canibus was supposed to body LL, Styles and Jada was supposed to wash 50. Again it's not just about who's more lyrical when it comes to deciding who wins a battle.

Jay wasn't even rapping when Jim was throwing darts,but Jay sent some darts that way on Kingdom Come a lot.Nobody feels like Dip Set bodied Jay.

The Nelly vs KRS shit was wack.KRS had no reasoning and he wasn't in top form.Nobody won that.Nelly's little verse was good.Nobody says Nelly beat KRS.

LiL B is a joke.Period.Nobody gives a fuck about him.He made an album called I'm gay and calls himself a pretty bitch.I don't even know why he dissed Joe.Anyway.he did nothing.He is nothing.

Canibus did body LL on 2nd round knockout.And his 1st verse was fire he had that started that on 4,3,2,1.Before LL re recorded.And I heard he got a ghostwriter.And LL...NVM

Styles and Jada did wash 50.They gave 50 the business.Piggy Bank was weak compared to the shit The Lox was saying.50 had to make friends with them niggas to stop that shit.

It's not always about lyrics,but you need them.50 beat Ja because he's a better MC.

A good/great MC can beat a lyricist and vice versa.

Troy Ave is a rapper though.He's not a move the crowd guy or a bar for bar guy.

He also has a light ass voice that doesn't sound aggressive on diss tracks.

I think you're missing the point, let me expound. Jay Z and Nas are much more lyrically advanced than Cam and Jimmy, I think we can agree on that. So based on that Nas and Jay should wash Dipset, but that didn't happen. All Cam and Jimmy did was continually clown on Jay and Nas, so in the end the less lyrically superior rappers held their own in the beef. You're making excuses to deflect from the point in terms of KRS One, the lesser talented rapper held his own, Styles and Jada did not wash 50, 50 kept joking on them (like Dipset did Jay and Nas) and threatened their careers by using his power, so whatever bars they spit against 50 was nullified. LL dropped 2 or 3 scathing disses bodying whatever career Bis had left, not saying Bis wasn't spitting. But saying otherwise is revisionist history. Lastly Lil B did to Budden what Jim and Cam did to Nas and Jay, by joking on Budden. Troy obviously has a way of saying things to get under peoples skin. He doesn't have to outbar Budden, he just has to talk shit and clown on Joe, and not let up.

Scathing LL disses? Scathing my nigga?For that matter Canibus dropped shit afterwards talking about LL getting fucked by his father figure....nigga that's scathing.

That shit he had against 2nd round knockout is rap trash .Nobody remembers that song while 2nd round knockout is easily top 5-10 diss records ever made.

So what if they joked on them.They don't have any song where I can say they got at them.

Jay and Nas didn't reply to them niggas because they knew they just wanted publicity off their names,but rap wise they weren't worth the beef.Jay sent darts though.

Jay already won the battle having them on his label and then becoming the boss off the company that distributes that company...then held up the artist they had on that label.

Nelly didn't body shit.His verse was wack.He should never open his mouth to KRS.He didn't win anything.

Talking shit and clowning isn't beating somebody in a battle

That's not all he has to do to a battle tested better MC who does this for real.

You make me not like Troy Ave acting like he built like that on some rap shit.

Anyway not to get off the point. I showed you examples of lesser talented holding their own and/or beating more talented rappers.

And I can't not make you like anybody bruh.

In none of those cases did the lesser beat the more talented person with raps.

Yes it did.

On what song did Cam outrap and ether Jay Z on.What is Cam's deathblow?

 

[gemini86]

new favortie song off Nupac. Don't forget who you are. love this Project

 

[AP21]

50 didnt "win" cause nobody wanted him too..

50 clowned the fuck outta Ross and if it was anyone but 50 Ross wouldve been done..

same niggas then was cryin "its only entertainment.. i dont care if Ross aint real... he got flows and he got good beat selection" are the same niggas now who hate on Drake..

Ross was the underdog that everyone was rooting for and his lame ass felt he won cause he didnt get knocked out forgetting that in that event we take it to the cards.. 50 dogged that nigga..

thats not what happened boss lol

but you got it

what happened? lol

man back then 50 was on all them niggas head..

the "mm mm kissin" song and shit..

fuckin hilarious..

and then niggas was like "yeh, so what Wayne kissin baby"

niggas jus refused to give 50 any energy..

they was tired of him killin niggas they liked.. "its only entertainment." lol

while 50 kept trying to parody videos and shit, Ross kept making hot music and continued to ascend while 50 was too busy trying to troll

in fact, you can make the argument that Ross has gotten better with each project since that "beef" with 50, while the only good music 50 probably is known for during that time is "the Kanaan tape".

u jus said what i said..

"Ross kept making hot music.."

totally excusing the nigga's character..

then yall wonder why "fake niggas" like Drake is thriving..

hey.. he makin "hot music" hahaha

like i said in the other thread wit 50 when niggas went out to buy multiple Kanye CDs jus so 50 would loose.. that shit opened the flood gates.. we got flooded by weirdos! lmmfao

yall excuse these niggas obvious character flaws all to spite 50 cause u want him to lose..

not realizing everytime he doesnt "win" hiphop loses! hahaha

u kill the hawk and then wonder why all the pigeons is in ur yard eatin up all the grass feed and rodents eatin up all ur vegetation..

yall took out its natural predator..

50 was a necessary evil! hahaha

so it has nothing to do with the fact that Graduation was a better album?

is has nothing to do wtih the the fact that he became more known for his antics vs his music?

at the end of the day, yea, Ross was a sucka for the CO shit, however, he kept making music to the point where dudes was like "wait, Ross be actually spitting", while 50 was still sounding like he was chasing GRODT

if anything, the Ye and Fif thing got people going back to the record stores to buy albums at a time when niggas wasnt buying SHIT. They even orchestrated the thing. NO ONE LOST in that situation

stop making excuses for Fif Boss lol

graduation was the better album..

but if not for that head up fade he wouldnt have outsold and we know how the industry is.. they greenlit anything "Kanye'ish" niggas wit none of his talent..

now we got weirdos runnin rampant cause they may not have his talent but they got his antics and questionable fashion down to a t..

thats what im talkin about..

and nah.. sorry.

i dont care how "good" ur music is if u fake or straight bitch if i cant respect u i really aint tryin to check for ur music.. but thats jus me.. not gonna put that kind of pressure and integrity on the next but jus dont cry when fake niggas flood the market is all im sayin. lol

and 50 music may not be "as hot" as when he first came out but we can fight nigga cause his shit still go! hahaha

outside of his popularity he hasnt fell off to me..

how come you so anti saving hoes, but you up in here with your cape for 50 boss LMAO

what do u mean!!? im always savin hoes!! :joy: :joy:

LMAO

 

[5th Letter]

This should be an interesting battle. Joe is far superior to Troy lyrically. But none of that lyrical shit matters when all Troy can do is just talk reckless and clown Budden nonstop. We know Troy gives no fucks word to Steez.

What can a nigga really say about Joe that other niggas ain't said.I know Troy can't do it any better.

It doesn't matter if other people said it before. You watch battle rap right? How many ways have you seen people take the same angle and put their own spin on it to defeat their opponent? Joe will drop a 5 minute lyrical diss on Troy and Troy is gonna say some disrespectful shit and joke on Budden. Being more lyrical isn't the only factor when it comes to battle rap.

Ppl in battle rap hate overused angles.

if you use them they better be creative.

Yeah in this case Joe could easily beat Troy.

Troy ain't the teflon don.He got some shit to talk about.

A nigga could ether his soul.Light work.

Joe has battled Game,Ransom,Jay Z(Kinda),Prodigy,G Unit etc

who the fuck is a Troy Ave?

Nas and Hov should've easily beaten Jim and Cam but them Dipset niggas kept clowning two clearly superior emcees. KRS One was supposed to wash Nelly, Budden was supposed wash Lil B, Canibus was supposed to body LL, Styles and Jada was supposed to wash 50. Again it's not just about who's more lyrical when it comes to deciding who wins a battle.

Jay wasn't even rapping when Jim was throwing darts,but Jay sent some darts that way on Kingdom Come a lot.Nobody feels like Dip Set bodied Jay.

The Nelly vs KRS shit was wack.KRS had no reasoning and he wasn't in top form.Nobody won that.Nelly's little verse was good.Nobody says Nelly beat KRS.

LiL B is a joke.Period.Nobody gives a fuck about him.He made an album called I'm gay and calls himself a pretty bitch.I don't even know why he dissed Joe.Anyway.he did nothing.He is nothing.

Canibus did body LL on 2nd round knockout.And his 1st verse was fire he had that started that on 4,3,2,1.Before LL re recorded.And I heard he got a ghostwriter.And LL...NVM

Styles and Jada did wash 50.They gave 50 the business.Piggy Bank was weak compared to the shit The Lox was saying.50 had to make friends with them niggas to stop that shit.

It's not always about lyrics,but you need them.50 beat Ja because he's a better MC.

A good/great MC can beat a lyricist and vice versa.

Troy Ave is a rapper though.He's not a move the crowd guy or a bar for bar guy.

He also has a light ass voice that doesn't sound aggressive on diss tracks.

I think you're missing the point, let me expound. Jay Z and Nas are much more lyrically advanced than Cam and Jimmy, I think we can agree on that. So based on that Nas and Jay should wash Dipset, but that didn't happen. All Cam and Jimmy did was continually clown on Jay and Nas, so in the end the less lyrically superior rappers held their own in the beef. You're making excuses to deflect from the point in terms of KRS One, the lesser talented rapper held his own, Styles and Jada did not wash 50, 50 kept joking on them (like Dipset did Jay and Nas) and threatened their careers by using his power, so whatever bars they spit against 50 was nullified. LL dropped 2 or 3 scathing disses bodying whatever career Bis had left, not saying Bis wasn't spitting. But saying otherwise is revisionist history. Lastly Lil B did to Budden what Jim and Cam did to Nas and Jay, by joking on Budden. Troy obviously has a way of saying things to get under peoples skin. He doesn't have to outbar Budden, he just has to talk shit and clown on Joe, and not let up.

Scathing LL disses? Scathing my nigga?For that matter Canibus dropped shit afterwards talking about LL getting fucked by his father figure....nigga that's scathing.

That shit he had against 2nd round knockout is rap trash .Nobody remembers that song while 2nd round knockout is easily top 5-10 diss records ever made.

So what if they joked on them.They don't have any song where I can say they got at them.

Jay and Nas didn't reply to them niggas because they knew they just wanted publicity off their names,but rap wise they weren't worth the beef.Jay sent darts though.

Jay already won the battle having them on his label and then becoming the boss off the company that distributes that company...then held up the artist they had on that label.

Nelly didn't body shit.His verse was wack.He should never open his mouth to KRS.He didn't win anything.

Talking shit and clowning isn't beating somebody in a battle

That's not all he has to do to a battle tested better MC who does this for real.

You make me not like Troy Ave acting like he built like that on some rap shit.

Anyway not to get off the point. I showed you examples of lesser talented holding their own and/or beating more talented rappers.

And I can't not make you like anybody bruh.

In none of those cases did the lesser beat the more talented person with raps.

Yes it did.

On what song did Cam outrap and ether Jay Z on.What is Cam's deathblow?

Did the more lyrically talented Jay Z body Cam'ron? Since your argument is more lyrically talented=automatically wins battle. Go.

 

[aneed123]

Stop Ross put out the better music.... deeper tha rap diss>>>> any of those pimping curly skits.... banks the only one who made a good diss 50 got beat musically

 

[CashmoneyDux]

Joe Budden TV, Joe Bitch TV - Lil B