Jesus saved you?

[Chike]

vs what? PHysical pain is one of the ways someone can tell what is right or wrong. You said we wouldn't know right from wrong unless someone told us... you're dead wrong... dead... wrong.[

That's not true. If I touched a stove and burned my hand, I'm not wrong for touching it, it is simply the effect caused by placing my hand on intense heat. For every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. We as men equated it to right and wrong whenever the effect is something we don't like or want. But that doesn't make it wrong. People get away with doing wrong all the time. So we can't just say don't worry God will punish them later. We would like to think so, but there is no proof that would happen, because we don't know what happens after we die.

I don't say that. I don't believe in religious teachings of the Bible. I wasn't arguing about that. I was arguing about right and wrong. If you didn't have pain receptors in your hand, and you left it on the stove, your hand would get destroyed, and you would become crippled, and your chances of survival would lower. If you took a knife and started stabbing yourself in the chest over your heart, guess what, same thing, you will feel horrible pain. If you didn't feel pain, you would stab the knife right through your heart and that will kill you. Now if you don't want to call that "right or wrong" because you're trying to be all 'out there' with your philosophy, fine... but I guarantee you it's something you don't want to happen to you.

Just because people get away with doing wrong, doesn't make it right or ok. It doesn't, and believe it or not, doing wrong causes an effect, call karma, call it god's judgment, call it shit happens... but eventually it will catch up to you.

 

[youngali]

I don't follow any religion anymore I find it all to be bullshit, but if it helps people get through the day good for them. Jesus ain't saved me but he does owe me 10 dollars. If anybody sees that nigga tell him I want my money.

 

[kevmic]

I don't say that. I don't believe in religious teachings of the Bible. I wasn't arguing about that. I was arguing about right and wrong. If you didn't have pain receptors in your hand, and you left it on the stove, your hand would get destroyed, and you would become crippled, and your chances of survival would lower. If you took a knife and started stabbing yourself in the chest over your heart, guess what, same thing, you will feel horrible pain. If you didn't feel pain, you would stab the knife right through your heart and that will kill you. Now if you don't want to call that "right or wrong" because you're trying to be all 'out there' with your philosophy, fine... but I guarantee you it's something you don't want to happen to you.

Just because people get away with doing wrong, doesn't make it right or ok. It doesn't, and believe it or not, doing wrong causes an effect, call karma, call it god's judgment, call it shit happens... but eventually it will catch up to you.

It's not a philosophy, but it's not a matter of right and wrong either. It's self perservation you're talking about, which is all the things needed to know in order to increase your chance of survival. Right and wrong is a matter of morals and integrity, not pain. Sometimes self inflected pain could be needed for survival, so the argument of if it's right or wrong goes out the window. If I'm bored and just chopped my hand off that's painful, wrong, and stupid. But if I'm somewhere stranded from a plane crash and my hand is caught in something, that same action that would be considered stupid and wrong anyother time is actually a great idea given the circumstance.

 

[Chike]

It's not a philosophy, but it's not a matter of right and wrong either. It's self perservation you're talking about, which is all the things needed to know in order to increase your chance of survival. Right and wrong is a matter of morals and integrity, not pain. Sometimes self inflected pain could be needed for survival, so the argument of if it's right or wrong goes out the window. If I'm bored and just chopped my hand off that's painful, wrong, and stupid. But if I'm somewhere stranded from a plane crash and my hand is caught in something, that same action that would be considered stupid and wrong anyother time is actually a great idea given the circumstance.

LOL when is self inflicted pain EVER needed for survival? And right or wrong is not just about morals. wtf...

 

[kevmic]

LOL when is self inflicted pain EVER needed for survival? And right or wrong is not just about morals. wtf...

Well, I clearly explained how self inflicted pain is needed for survival. Given the circumstance, you might have to take a limb or something extreme like that in order to survive the ordeal, whatever it may be that called for it. If right or wrong isn't about morals, then who decides what is right or wrong. Because something that is right will go with what we consider to be right, and wrong is the opposite of that. Who decides that?? We do on a personal level. What's right or wrong for you may be different for me. With nature there is only a cause and effect, not right or wrong.

 

[kevmic]

Well, I clearly explained how self inflicted pain is needed for survival. Given the circumstance, you might have to take a limb or something extreme like that in order to survive the ordeal, whatever it may be that called for it. If right or wrong isn't about morals, then who decides what is right or wrong. Because something that is right will go with what we consider to be right, and wrong is the opposite of that. Who decides that?? We do on a personal level. What's right or wrong for you may be different for me. With nature there is only a cause and effect, not right or wrong.

So saying that I mean with nature, the same rules apply for everyone. When it comes to what right and wrong however, that's something that will change from person to person. So we can't say right or wrong when it comes to something considered to be obvious like a hand to a flame or stabbing yourself, because the same outcome will happen for anyone who does it. With things that aren't exactly of nature, outcomes will vary.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

It could be just me and all of my wackness, but I believe that dealing with God is not easy. People have to let go of the things they call good in respect to God. I threw the "morality" bit in there because that is how a lot of us see God as...a standard of good morals and the debate rages on about why God allows "bad" things to happen (or for that matter why God does bad things). Now, it is not to say in all commonplace that there isn't good or bad, but who is to say what it is ultimately meant for?

Fair enough, but I still don't see what they are saved from in regards to your post : (

Sin by definition means to miss the mark. When men would do target practice with a Bow and arrow, if he was to miss the bullseye it was a sin. So if we look at it in a biblical sense, then it's whenever we go away from what god has intended for us. To go against his will. But if Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and all we have to do in today's times is just believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. If I truly believe that, then won't anything and everything I do from that point on be null and void as a sin??

So if by definition sin means to miss the mark or err, jesus saves us from our errors? How does that go down?

 

[Chike]

Well, I clearly explained how self inflicted pain is needed for survival. Given the circumstance, you might have to take a limb or something extreme like that in order to survive the ordeal, whatever it may be that called for it. If right or wrong isn't about morals, then who decides what is right or wrong. Because something that is right will go with what we consider to be right, and wrong is the opposite of that. Who decides that?? We do on a personal level. What's right or wrong for you may be different for me. With nature there is only a cause and effect, not right or wrong.

lol if you have to take a limb in order to survive something, then that's telling you that you should NEVER have put yourself in that position in the first place. The pain caused by taking your limb is not what saves you... lol

So saying that I mean with nature, the same rules apply for everyone. When it comes to what right and wrong however, that's something that will change from person to person. So we can't say right or wrong when it comes to something considered to be obvious like a hand to a flame or stabbing yourself, because the same outcome will happen for anyone who does it. With things that aren't exactly of nature, outcomes will vary.

Well then if it has to do with someone's opinions or culture, no-one is wrong or right, unless that culture or opinion interferes with the process of human survival and livelihood. So yes, hand on flame = bad. Premarital Sex = opinion. Premarital sex was only deemed bad because the elites didn't want the wealth being distributed to poor 'sluts' who ended up getting knocked up and running back to claim 'child support'/ inheriting riches due to blood lineage. They then made it part of their religion to further mind fuck this propaganda to the sheeple. So in general, premarital sex is not really wrong, because marriage is a part of a culture and is not necessary in order for humans to survive. Before the art of marriage, humans were reproducing just find and keeping humanity flourishing.

 

[kevmic]

lol if you have to take a limb in order to survive something, then that's telling you that you should NEVER have put yourself in that position in the first place. The pain caused by taking your limb is not what saves you... lol

Well then if it has to do with someone's opinions or culture, no-one is wrong or right, unless that culture or opinion interferes with the process of human survival and livelihood. So yes, hand on flame = bad. Premarital Sex = opinion. Premarital sex was only deemed bad because the elites didn't want the wealth being distributed to poor 'sluts' who ended up getting knocked up and running back to claim 'child support'/ inheriting riches due to blood lineage. They then made it part of their religion to further mind fuck this propaganda to the sheeple. So in general, premarital sex is not really wrong, because marriage is a part of a culture and is not necessary in order for humans to survive. Before the art of marriage, humans were reproducing just find and keeping humanity flourishing.

No argument here on that one.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

Sin by definition means to miss the mark. When men would do target practice with a Bow and arrow, if he was to miss the bullseye it was a sin. So if we look at it in a biblical sense, then it's whenever we go away from what god has intended for us. To go against his will. But if Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and all we have to do in today's times is just believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. If I truly believe that, then won't anything and everything I do from that point on be null and void as a sin??

That's exactly the definition of it. You're on point. But the main issue is that our FLESH didn't get saved, only our SPIRIT..our FLESH will still want to gravitate toward sin and still will want to do the things before we got saved..the spirit man inside of you is the main element that is saved because God created man in His own image..and since God is a SPIRITUAL being, man is one as well..We're born in the physical by our parents, but if man doesn't get "born again" then he's spiritually dead, which means "separated from God"...that's why it's important that we get saved by confessing Christ as Savior because he lived without sin.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

That's exactly the definition of it. You're on point. But the main issue is that our FLESH didn't get saved, only our SPIRIT..our FLESH will still want to gravitate toward sin and still will want to do the things before we got saved..the spirit man inside of you is the main element that is saved because God created man in His own image..and since God is a SPIRITUAL being, man is one as well..We're born in the physical by our parents, but if man doesn't get "born again" then he's spiritually dead, which means "separated from God"...that's why it's important that we get saved by confessing Christ as Savior because he lived without sin.

Edit, so we confess christ to save our souls from separation from god.... in this life or the after life?

 

[VIBE]

But is it really 'Jesus' that saves you from drugs, alcohol, death, disease, etc or is it YOU?

If Jesus doesn't exist and it's all a story and it comes to the fact that that is true, who saves who? Is being saved a mindset? Is it all a coincidence?

My former belief was that 'Jesus' did save me, back in 1999. Later in life I began to wonder if it was a mindset. I went on being negative one day, mad, frustrated and nothing went my way. I was burning food, breaking shit, just couldn't get shit right that day. Later on in the week I had a good day, nothing but positive energy, I felt good and everything went my way.

After that that's when I thought that, is it all in my mind? If I have a good day that's positive, then everything was good. I had no God or Jesus on my mind, I didn't pray, I didn't think of him ONCE. But when I had my bad days, I didn't think of the 'devil' or God either. Is it all just YOU as a PERSON that exhibits these things that we might think is Jesus or God?

So with that said, is it us that because we think we're 'saved' we feel we are? The mind is capable of the worlds greatest things, so how do we know we're not subconsciously fooling ourselves?

 

[universaltruth]

Jesus cant save you. His words, just like Buddhas or any other wise mans words can lead you down the path, but only you can save you.

 

[kids in america_]

Thread is for the "believers", but all are welcome to throw in their ideas and opinions....

What has Jesus saved you from? You believe in him, live for etc, what are you saved from?

I will not say I have been saved per se. Instead, I will say, I am being saved. Salvation is an ongoing process. It must be "worked out" in each of us by the grace of god. You ask: What are we being saved from? We are being saved from sin and death.

Note: In the 'bible', Jesus never tells his disciples that they are saved. Jesus always told any who came to him that in him they were being saved and that if they endured to the end [they] shall be saved [Matthew 10:22]. Now if you see Xtians say they were saved at such and such time. They have no idea what to be saved means.

 

[Rock_Well]

That's exactly the definition of it. You're on point. But the main issue is that our FLESH didn't get saved, only our SPIRIT..our FLESH will still want to gravitate toward sin and still will want to do the things before we got saved..the spirit man inside of you is the main element that is saved because God created man in His own image..and since God is a SPIRITUAL being, man is one as well..We're born in the physical by our parents, but if man doesn't get "born again" then he's spiritually dead, which means "separated from God"...that's why it's important that we get saved by confessing Christ as Savior because he lived without sin.

very good. except that being 'born again' takes place when a person is baptized by water(John 3:5), for the right reasons....the confession is made unto, or TOWARDS, salvation, right before that occurs.

edit* well, and confession takes place thereafter baptism also. And it saves. However 'confessing Christ' is not when being 'born again' occurs though. Sadly and mistakenly, the mass majority of contemporary Christianity teaches this, which is not according to scripture..

 

[Rock_Well]

Edit, so we confess christ to save our souls from separation from god.... in this life or the after life?

when does a person commitment to God as a Christian start? In this life, or the next?

*hint hint*

It starts here in this life, but it also carries over into the next life aswell.

 

[Disciplined InSight]

But is it really 'Jesus' that saves you from drugs, alcohol, death, disease, etc or is it YOU?

If Jesus doesn't exist and it's all a story and it comes to the fact that that is true, who saves who? Is being saved a mindset? Is it all a coincidence?

My former belief was that 'Jesus' did save me, back in 1999. Later in life I began to wonder if it was a mindset. I went on being negative one day, mad, frustrated and nothing went my way. I was burning food, breaking shit, just couldn't get shit right that day. Later on in the week I had a good day, nothing but positive energy, I felt good and everything went my way.

After that that's when I thought that, is it all in my mind? If I have a good day that's positive, then everything was good. I had no God or Jesus on my mind, I didn't pray, I didn't think of him ONCE. But when I had my bad days, I didn't think of the 'devil' or God either. Is it all just YOU as a PERSON that exhibits these things that we might think is Jesus or God?

So with that said, is it us that because we think we're 'saved' we feel we are? The mind is capable of the worlds greatest things, so how do we know we're not subconsciously fooling ourselves?

Even though the people that choose to get saved, the problems/circumstances are not gonna go away instantaneous because you are saved. Saved people will still go through trials and tribulations like an unsaved person...the only difference is that regardless of those trials and tribulations they will depend on God and His Word, no matter how bad it is...the process of walking in faith of God is not for the weak.

Edit, so we confess christ to save our souls from separation from god.... in this life or the after life?

In this life...

 

[Disciplined InSight]

very good. except that being 'born again' takes place when a person is baptized by water(John 3:5), for the right reasons....the confession is made unto, or TOWARDS, salvation, right before that occurs.

edit* well, and confession takes place thereafter baptism also. And it saves. However 'confessing Christ' is not when being 'born again' occurs though. Sadly and mistakenly, the mass majority of contemporary Christianity teaches this, which is not according to scripture..

"There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." -John 3:1-7

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Yeah..but it begins by confession with the mouth first, then afterwards the baptism..

 

[VIBE]

Even though the people that choose to get saved, the problems/circumstances are not gonna go away instantaneous because you are saved. Saved people will still go through trials and tribulations like an unsaved person...the only difference is that regardless of those trials and tribulations they will depend on God and His Word, no matter how bad it is...the process of walking in faith of God is not for the weak.

What do you have to say to someone who is a 'believer' and needs money, so they go out and play the lottery. Chances of winning are obviously very very slim. Lets say they win the jackpot and become the next multi-million dollar winner, would you believe them if they said it was a 'God send' ?

What if a sinful non-believer was in the same exact situation, is that a 'God send' ? Couldn't be, God 'doesn't see/hear the wicked'.

So which one is 'blessed by God' if both in the same position but have a belief and a non-belief?

I know it's about being 'saved' but I'm asking because like I said, I feel it's all a mindset. It's how we basically feel with our minds. For example, I've gone to church, when I haven't in a long while, and that magical Sunday I feel 'so good'. I feel like the 'holy spirit' is in me (and that's what I'm told) and I feel happy go lucky blessed. BUT that's only on a Sunday when I'm IN church hearing God's WORD. So, is that again just my mind telling me I'm comfortable and safe? Am I fooling myself (ourselves) into thinking/feeling like this? Because the next day, I'm back to my 'sinful' antics, curse words, bad tv/music, etc.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I will not say I have been saved per se. Instead, I will say, I am being saved. Salvation is an ongoing process. It must be "worked out" in each of us by the grace of god. You ask: What are we being saved from? We are being saved from sin and death.

Note: In the 'bible', Jesus never tells his disciples that they are saved. Jesus always told any who came to him that in him they were being saved and that if they endured to the end [they] shall be saved [Matthew 10:22]. Now if you see Xtians say they were saved at such and such time. They have no idea what to be saved means.

We share a similar thought on this then. Except maybe for the sin and death part. In what sense do you mean we are being saved from 'sin' and 'death'?