Jesus and the New Testament?

[judahxulu]

It was written to keep the violent Hebrew uprising s in check by making the messianic expectation abstract and religious as opposed to concrete and nationalistic. jesus didnt exist to say anything but if you mean yeshua ben yoseph, no. christians dont follow the torah because basically the word of paul>>>> everything else to them. all part of the plot to obscure who the real hebrews are and the true context of the writings the bible is based on. its an act of contempt and blasphemy as there was never a time when israel was cool with the greeks or the romans.

 

[Olorun22]

It was written to keep the violent Hebrew uprising s in check by making the messianic expectation abstract and religious as opposed to concrete and nationalistic. jesus didnt exist to say anything but if you mean yeshua ben yoseph, no. christians dont follow the torah because basically the word of paul>>>> everything else to them. all part of the plot to obscure who the real hebrews are and the true context of the writings the bible is based on. its an act of contempt and blasphemy as there was never a time when israel was cool with the greeks or the romans.

So do you think the new testement is not needed? Yea i know his name is yeshua. Who actually wrote the new testement(is this truly known)?

 

[judahxulu]

So do you think the new testement is not needed? Yea i know his name is yeshua. Who actually wrote the new testement(is this truly known)?

i think it should be taken with a grain of salt. i'm a hebraic fundamentalist but not to the point where i just can't read anything unless its the tanach. ijust measure what i read in the NT by this: Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

The new testament is primarily based of the works of paul. he actually wrote the acts of the apostles before the canonical gospels. from my studies, it appears as if this was commissioned by roman patricians, specifically the piso/flavian dynasty. flavius josephus was alleged part of this and it seems to be plausible given that his writings are the strongest corrobarative "evidence' to prove the efficacy of the new testament. what we do know is that the style, content and cultural context of the new testament is only compatible with the old testament on very superficial levels that have effectively deceived the layperson.

btw..didnt mean to insult your intelligence on the yeshua thing. i see youre pretty knowledgable

 

[judahxulu]

i found this quite interesting....

[video=youtube;vVbl77afUdY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVbl77afUdY[/video]

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

You'd be a wiser man to lend an ear to Judahxulu.

 

[DRO]

i found this quite interesting....

[video=youtube;vvbl77afudy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvbl77afudy[/video]

....... Did this nigga just say jay-z and beyonce?

 

[spirituald]

it was written so that that there's a 2nd part to this slave-mind-control... they get a kick out of it. lol

 

[Rock_Well]

Why was the new testament written?

i really should quote scriptures for this but, i probably won't this time.

The Old Testament was never meant to be the permanent solution for mankind. The Old Testament was more like a preliminary preparation for the permanent solution to come which is the New Testament through Christ. The problem with the Old Testament is that, by itself, there is no salvation. It was missing the savior. Christ comes on the scene, and abolishes that part, and brings in the New Testament, where there IS the savior, and new set of laws to follow.

Did jesus say the the new testament should be written after his death?

Understand if Jesus were to simply stay alive and not die, then there would be no new testament. It is written in the Old Testament that the savior would come and be crucified. Jesus also notes in Hebrews 9:16 that "For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator."
So pretty much the answer to your question here is implied as 'yes'.

Jesus followed the torah and why don't christian do the same? why was is written in greek and not hebrew?

Christians told that what is written in the Old Law is there for our learning (Romans 15:4). It does NOT say it is there for our salvation.

 

[And Step]

Jesus is the central figure, but funny thing he speaks nothing of the New Testament, just a gospel(good tidings). And the ironic thing is he received the revelation yet there is no gospel according to Jesus. Just a few words, highlighted in red, that he spoke. The fours books of the gospel contain very little of what he said. They will tell you he spoke at such and such but hardly anything of what he said.

And of course this was presented by the very people who wanted him dead. Something aint right.

 

[And Step]

I'm betting it was about 'the preservation' of eternal-instruction and knowledge;

since Greek was the most widely-used language during that Time, amongst The Roman Empire, then the bible's Hebrew authors probably wanted to ensure that future generations could experience their teachings...and obviously, it was a great strategy eh??

Not.

There were a few who wanted to harmonize with the polytheistic greeks, so they took creative license with the translation to appease the Greeks. They allowed them to keep some of their pagan/heathen practices under the guise of bringing them to Christ. They were more interested in trying to appease the greeks than bring them to faith.

Same things the Church of Rome did. Trying to harmonize heathen practice with this new way of life. Son Worship, Easter, etc were things melded in to appease the polytheistic Romans so they could sit down at the Council of Nicea and decide what they wanted to believe in. They basically crafted a religion. Imagine saying your going to pick and choose what aspect of God's revelation you are going to follow.

 

[qdiii55]

The old law (Torah) was fulfilled once Jesus was nailed to the cross. Secondly, Jesus did not follow the Torah. He healed on the Sabbath plus ate at the table with sinners and Gentiles. Jesus WAS the messiah spoken about in the old testament so how could Christians follow the Torah? Doesn't make sense.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

The old law (Torah) was fulfilled once Jesus was nailed to the cross. Secondly, Jesus did not follow the Torah. He healed on the Sabbath plus ate at the table with sinners and Gentiles. Jesus WAS the messiah spoken about in the old testament so how could Christians follow the Torah? Doesn't make sense.

This is a good point. Jesus made a point of distinguising between cultural laws and God's laws. Much of the Old Testament and Torah clearly fall into the former category.

Jesus is the central figure, but funny thing he speaks nothing of the New Testament, just a gospel(good tidings). And the ironic thing is he received the revelation yet there is no gospel according to Jesus. Just a few words, highlighted in red, that he spoke. The fours books of the gospel contain very little of what he said. They will tell you he spoke at such and such but hardly anything of what he said.

And of course this was presented by the very people who wanted him dead. Something aint right.

Well to be fair, the Gospels are written accounts of Jesus' life not transcripts from his life. It's not like the people who wrote those books at tape recorders that allowed them to record everything Jesus said and write it down verbatim. They basically had to settle for giving a narrative of what he did and try to pass on the spirit of what he said as opposed to giving a bunch of direct quotes.

 

[Go figure...]

the old testament aka torah was the old covenant that God made with his chosen people of israel.

"Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:31-34)

prophets of the old testament knew God was going to establish a new covenant

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second" (Heb. 8:7)

people in the OT offered sacrifices to pay debt of their sins, Jesus came and established the new covenant and became the sacrifice for all of man's sins so just by believing in Him u will receive salvation.

 

[supaman4321]

Multiple versions of the Qur'an!?

astaghfirullah

 

[supaman4321]

the old testament aka torah was the old covenant that God made with his chosen people of israel.

"Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:31-34)

prophets of the old testament knew God was going to establish a new covenant

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second" (Heb. 8:7)

people in the OT offered sacrifices to pay debt of their sins, Jesus came and established the new covenant and became the sacrifice for all of man's sins so just by believing in Him u will receive salvation.

Faith without good deeds is worthless, what would stop Satan from achieving paradise then if it were that simple?

 

[Rock_Well]

the old testament aka torah was the old covenant that God made with his chosen people of israel.

"Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was a husband unto them, says the Lord: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, says the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more" (Jer. 31:31-34)

prophets of the old testament knew God was going to establish a new covenant

"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second" (Heb. 8:7)

people in the OT offered sacrifices to pay debt of their sins, Jesus came and established the new covenant and became the sacrifice for all of man's sins so just by believing in Him u will receive salvation.

Got em.......

 

[I Self Lord & Master]

Not.

There were a few who wanted to harmonize with the polytheistic greeks, so they took creative license with the translation to appease the Greeks. They allowed them to keep some of their pagan/heathen practices under the guise of bringing them to Christ. They were more interested in trying to appease the greeks than bring them to faith.

Same things the Church of Rome did. Trying to harmonize heathen practice with this new way of life. Son Worship, Easter, etc were things melded in to appease the polytheistic Romans so they could sit down at the Council of Nicea and decide what they wanted to believe in. They basically crafted a religion. Imagine saying your going to pick and choose what aspect of God's revelation you are going to follow.

"Like the Pope's religion, ya style of emceeing is Paganism. Ya rhymes make no sense, just like a Roman Christian..."

[video=youtube;p1_Bdwl1niU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_Bdwl1niU[/video]

 

[And Step]

"Like the Pope's religion, ya style of emceeing is Paganism. Ya rhymes make no sense, just like a Roman Christian..."

[video=youtube;p1_Bdwl1niU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1_Bdwl1niU[/video]

Aw man Jeru used to go hard!