Jay-Z is on some Uncle Tom sh*t

[nex gin]

You got two types of people......those that ask and wait and those that do and take. I don't know about you, but I don't have the time or patience to be asking and waiting unless there are no other viable options.

 

[JM1971]

God damn Jay-Z has a lot of you niggas hypnotized...

And this is coming from a dude that was born in Brooklyn and lived through his Reasonable Doubt/Vol. 1 hype. Jay-Z is a now a pop artist just like Lil' Wayne. Niggas didn't push MCHG to platinum, it was white people. Jay-Z knows very well the musical sounds that are popular to the current black youth, he has the world's top producers at his disposal yet he chose the type of beats that most niggas aren't even gonna give more than a 10 second listen to before deciding they're wack. Part of Jay-Z's legend are the legendary soul beats that Kanye and NoID and to a lesser degree Timbaland used to make for him. What does it matter that he's dropping this or that famous black person in a song if black people aren't listening to it? How is that educational? Does he think that white people wanna hear about information that they've been suppressing for centuries?

The fact of the matter is that if Jay-Z really were doing things for the black community then he would have run into resistance from the system again by now, because that's how the system works. Notice how he was catching drama left and right when he was younger, but he's good now, yet niggas like Nas Prodigy DMX Ja Rule Nelly etc and now 50 cent(another coon) still catch cases every once in a while for random shit. Same with Diddy. Jay-Z and Beyonce are 2 people who clearly think that they are above the race of people that birthed them. They dip back into black shit when they want a bump in sales or attention, but by and large the don't do a single noticeably significant thing for the black community as a whole. Jay-Z is one of the few black artists on this globe that could actually start a black owned black run entertainment distribution company(the same thing that MJ was murdered for trying to do) but I've never even seen him speak on that idea because he knows how dangerous that idea would be to his white overlords. I do wanna believe that Jay-Z cares about black people, I really do. But he was cocky as fuck and arrogant back in the day before he reached this point in his career, I can only imagine what level of "my shit don't stink"ness he's at by now

Sorry for the titangraph

You're getting your assumptions and feelings confused as being a fact. You could be right, but really, we don't know what he does behind closed doors. And as far as him catching cases, there's more than one way to look at things. For one, his content was at it's worst when he was catching all of those cases in the 90's, and now that he's been speaking out against Bush, black on black violence and other social injustices in his music, he's actually staying out of less trouble, so that goes against the "They try to censor the message" theory. Also, do your research about him being watched by the FBI, and a fed case that didn't stick. Did you ever think that maybe dude has grown and is smarter about the way he moves now, since he's in his forties, a father, a husband, businessman that other people depend on to eat. I wouldn't expect him to be as reckless at this age. His image affects his other deals, and he employs a lot of people, Im sure he can't afford to be burning bridges because it'll affect how him and his team eat. Is it really hard to fathom that he could be making smarter moves than his peers. Stuff still comes out about him that tries to assassinate his character like his love child, Dehaven videos, the stuff that Foxy allegedly said. Look at someone like Denzel, he's not media darling in Hollywood, and gives back to his community, distances himself from Hollywood, yet he still has the money and accolades, with no one trying to assassinate his character...you never hear nothing about him in his whole 28 year career.

 

[nex gin]

God damn Jay-Z has a lot of you niggas hypnotized...

And this is coming from a dude that was born in Brooklyn and lived through his Reasonable Doubt/Vol. 1 hype. Jay-Z is a now a pop artist just like Lil' Wayne. Niggas didn't push MCHG to platinum, it was white people. Jay-Z knows very well the musical sounds that are popular to the current black youth, he has the world's top producers at his disposal yet he chose the type of beats that most niggas aren't even gonna give more than a 10 second listen to before deciding they're wack. Part of Jay-Z's legend are the legendary soul beats that Kanye and NoID and to a lesser degree Timbaland used to make for him. What does it matter that he's dropping this or that famous black person in a song if black people aren't listening to it? How is that educational? Does he think that white people wanna hear about information that they've been suppressing for centuries?

The fact of the matter is that if Jay-Z really were doing things for the black community then he would have run into resistance from the system again by now, because that's how the system works. Notice how he was catching drama left and right when he was younger, but he's good now, yet niggas like Nas Prodigy DMX Ja Rule Nelly etc and now 50 cent(another coon) still catch cases every once in a while for random shit. Same with Diddy. Jay-Z and Beyonce are 2 people who clearly think that they are above the race of people that birthed them. They dip back into black shit when they want a bump in sales or attention, but by and large the don't do a single noticeably significant thing for the black community as a whole. Jay-Z is one of the few black artists on this globe that could actually start a black owned black run entertainment distribution company(the same thing that MJ was murdered for trying to do) but I've never even seen him speak on that idea because he knows how dangerous that idea would be to his white overlords. I do wanna believe that Jay-Z cares about black people, I really do. But he was cocky as fuck and arrogant back in the day before he reached this point in his career, I can only imagine what level of "my shit don't stink"ness he's at by now

Sorry for the titangraph

You're getting your assumptions and feelings confused as being a fact. You could be right, but really, we don't know what he does behind closed doors. And as far as him catching cases, there's more than one way to look at things. For one, his content was at it's worst when he was catching all of those cases in the 90's, and now that he's been speaking out against Bush, black on black violence and other social injustices in his music, he's actually staying out of less trouble, so that goes against the "They try to censor the message" theory. Also, do your research about him being watched by the FBI, and a fed case that didn't stick. Did you ever think that maybe dude has grown and is smarter about the way he moves now, since he's in his forties, a father, a husband, businessman that other people depend on to eat. I wouldn't expect him to be as reckless at this age. His image affects his other deals, and he employs a lot of people, Im sure he can't afford to be burning bridges because it'll affect how him and his team eat. Is it really hard to fathom that he could be making smarter moves than his peers. Stuff still comes out about him that tries to assassinate his character like his love child, Dehaven videos, the stuff that Foxy allegedly said. Look at someone like Denzel, he's not media darling in Hollywood, and gives back to his community, distances himself from Hollywood, yet he still has the money and accolades, with no one trying to assassinate his character...you never hear nothing about him in his whole 28 year career.

 

[JDSTAYWITIT]

Mannn I tried to get with this nigga @Civic's point about Jay ... I think his heart is in the right place but that shit is coming out like disjointed gibberish .... This nigga completely lost me when he said (paraphrasing) how come Jay don't help his people and promote empowerment by Cornering the "Weave" market.........

Cos nothing says black empowerment like a fresh new shiney lace front! Dont ya know!

Lmao ... And look dog ...there aint a need to go on some rant reply to this ... I totally get your post ... U wished Jay spent more of his resources into the "community" blah blah blah right? I got you .... Basically the saviour complex ... I know

It's just that particular point within your post was quite funny ...

 

[Paul Hate.]

Its the same thing with jordan all that money of shoes apparell and endorsements.

Whens the last time u heard him work with the young kids banging in chicago or la.

These cats think the green will make em white.

 

[IceBergTaylor]

This thread went from being dumb as hell to blatantly retarded & a troll thread. I feel like I lost some brain cells reading some of the dumb shit some of y'all niggas who claim Jay is a uncle Tom has been saying especially this new nigga on the last 2 pages

 

[xxCivicxx]

This thread went from being dumb as hell to blatantly retarded & a troll thread. I feel like I lost some brain cells reading some of the dumb shit some of y'all niggas who claim Jay is a uncle Tom has been saying especially this new nigga on the last 2 pages

Wow another bad ass I better watch out. Thank u for your amazing contribution to the thread Mr. Badass I'll be sure to fully respond to everything after I get off of work

And I've been lurking for at least 2 years I just don't post a lot on account of I have an outside life

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

How is talking about white people and European Culture 95% of the time being diverse?

That is a false statistic and a racist assumption that 95% of his talk is about is basically European Culture

take a randomly selected song from his album the bolded is not about european culture let me know when referencing Ali is european or government cheese lol

Just let me be great, let me be great

I feel like mothafuckin' Cassius Clay right now, Genius!

Don't be good my nigga, be great

After that government cheese, we eating steak

After the projects, now we on estates

I'm from the bottom, I know you can relate

[Hook]

Fuck up the world

Let's fuck up this world

Fuck up the world

Me and destiny got a date

[Verse 1]

Martin had a dream, Hov got a team

My chain already heavy, don't let me get a ring

Parades down Flatbush, Confetti on my fur

Turn right in Red Hook, niggas heavy on the curb

See most my niggas died early twenties or late teens

I'm just trying to come from under the thumb of this regime

1% of a billion more than niggas even seen

Still they wanna act like it's an everyday thing, clean

[Hook]

[Verse 2]

High Yellow sky dweller and the rose gold

Legend of the summer in the Rose Bowl

Came through Pasadena in the low low

Just to show respect to the cholos

Feelin' like a stranger in my own land

Got me feeling like Brody in Homeland

I just want a shot to show my genius

Standing on the top hold my penis

America tried to emasculate the greats

Murder Malcolm, gave Cassius the shakes

Wait, tell them rumble young man rumble

Try to dim your lights tell you be humble

You know I'm gon shine like a trillion watts

You know a nigga trill as Michael Jackson socks

Sendin' light out to Compton and the hundred blocks

Lil bastard boy, basking on top



[Hook]

[Verse 3]

Sipping D'USSE boy this ain't your daddy yak

He in a Cadillac; me? I'm in the Maybach

This ain't grey sweat suits and white tube socks

This is black leather pants and a pair of Stance

Socks is my synopsis is clear

Got stripclubs feeling like Oxford, I swear

Teacher teacher, I'm trying to unteach ya

All the shit they taught y'all, they got you all in the bleachers

When you front row at the Knicks game, those the Spike Lees

You front row every where, you in the H.O.V's

Jordan 1's and dungarees

And that's just the half of my warpath

Make a million another million let my niggas make a million

'til we all check a billion, shit it's just the way I'm feeling

We have yet to see a ceiling, we just top what we top

Cause the bars don't struggle and the struggle don't stop

roughly les than 5% of that song is actually about european culture

You got one song where Jay mentions black people and he mentions black plight but what is he really saying tho it's like he brings up the fact that black people have struggled just to make his ascension more impressive I break glass ceilings, I'm at the Rose bowl, I do this and have that.

And in this same song you posted he still manages to talk down to black people "This ain't ain't your daddy yak he in a Cadillac me? I'm in the Maybach"

Dissing Cadillac, a company that is well know for attracting black consumers and hiring black workers, for Maybach a German company with ties to Nazis.

And I know every other rapper has talked about Maybachs and Mercedes, and I do hold Jay to a higher standard he is the biggest rapper out. He has so much influence and power he can name an off brand company nobody has ever heard of and their numbers will blow up and everyone will be talking about that company and buying whatever it is they sell all off the strength that Jay-Z mentioned it in a song.

Now couldn't he used that power and influence to uplift black people, kick some knowledge to the youth, talk about real issues, instead of talking down to black folks while at the same time showing so much love to Europe.

You still haven't proved how your statement that 95% of his album is euro centric. And your assumption that he is talking down the black people is wrong because there are other black people that have driven and owned maybach's. Likewise assuming that he is just talking to black caddilac owners is racist and sterotypical because in the 1950's many white people bought caddilac's upon moving up in the working world.

Likewise Buick's and Caddilacs are seen as luxury top notch vehicles in many parts of China and Eastern Asia. Maybe he was talking to them as well. Most german companies and cities have ties to Nazi's so should nobody even go to Germany anymore because of that lol. At the end of the day you are making incorrect statements that you have no proof of backing up.

I didn't say 95% of this album I was saying in general and yea 95% might be a bit of an exaggeration but my point is he has a clear affinity for European culture and the majority of his subject matter at least after "American Gangster" has been white. And his sound most certainly is

Come on man you gon act like there is no historic connection to Black people and Cadillacs and cognac?

This is what you said word for word

How is talking about white people and European Culture 95% of the time being diverse?

that is clearly wrong and post american gangster it hasn't been all white i just posted a song that had few white references. Same with oceans same with nearly every song on the album. Likewise im not sure how songs about chicago murder rates (murder to excellence) and having a strong black woman as a wife (thats my bitch) make watch the throne 95% about euro rap. You can't be doing nothing more than listening to quick snippets of songs on the radio if you think jay talks mostly about european subject matter.

 

[Gen. Stasia]

His Verse on Heaven where his Opening Bars are a play on the 12 Jewels of Islam in the 5% Lessons.... Let me know he's not that Far removed....

and he got the lessons wrong also, Lord Jamar had to point that out, now that tells you that the nigga was trying to fuckin hard like he kick knowledge, the same nigga that told Nas"you try to kick knowledge" smh,

Jay wasn't breaking bread with the Nation of Gods and Earth in the 90's

He really didnt get much Wrong he missed 1 and mixed up the order of Culture/Freedom and Understanding.....

 

[white715]

Things have gotten way out of control

Probably time to close this thread

 

[IceBergTaylor]

This thread went from being dumb as hell to blatantly retarded & a troll thread. I feel like I lost some brain cells reading some of the dumb shit some of y'all niggas who claim Jay is a uncle Tom has been saying especially this new nigga on the last 2 pages

next time, don't forget to @ him.

This thread went from being dumb as hell to blatantly retarded & a troll thread. I feel like I lost some brain cells reading some of the dumb shit some of y'all niggas who claim Jay is a uncle Tom has been saying especially this new nigga on the last 2 pages

Wow another bad ass I better watch out. Thank u for your amazing contribution to the thread Mr. Badass I'll be sure to fully respond to everything after I get off of work

And I've been lurking for at least 2 years I just don't post a lot on account of I have an outside life

@xxCivicxx

and idc what you been doin for the last 2 years nobody asked you and if "Mr.Badass" was the best you could come up with save your response.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

It's not all or nothing, it's a little of both, jay just a black man dealing with new found wealth and how do you balance your friends from before the money and new people who only know you as jayz who can quote interesting books and have milkshakes with Buffett. It's what makes the post retirement jay compelling and disappointment at the same time. Maybe it's duality.

Jay gonna stunt brag that's what he's good at. I just think lyrically he's a step behind now.

Which doesn't mean his new album doesn't have it's moments.

 

[Undergroundraplegend]

What kinda argument is that, cuh?..."Jay ain't bein held back by the system, he must be a pawn"...That's almost dumber than the illuminati shit...Obviously, the nigga has higher ups, but that don't mean he they slave...I(and hopefully you as well) know of plenty successful black men in real life who have no legal troubles...It's called makin smart moves...It's called spending smart money...Come on nigga...

There's a clear difference between making smart moves and living comfortably, and being worth close to a billion together with your wife. You and I know that the majority of blacks living in America will never ever come close to being that wealthy. The white middle class and the black middle class are 2 completely different classes, even though you're made to believe that they aren't. You act like I'm making a stupid argument, but has there been a single true civil rights leader throughout history that has not been assassinated/murdered/jailed/had their character assassinated. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and everyone like them are again just pawns, used to disperse any kind of energy that builds up within the black community. We are all slaves to the "higher ups" through student loan car note credit card and mortgage they debt that they trick you into placing onto yourself.

I don't understand how niggas can be so oblivious to the shit around them. Blacks don't own any more wealth than they did right after slavery ended. Not a single black person owns any of the resources coming out of Africa. The CIA pumped drugs into black communities to help break up the civil rights movement then threw millions of black men in jail for stupid shit. The prison industrial complex is a for profit system. Hip hop is being taken by whites and remolded to maximize corporate profits just like rock and roll blues jazz funk and disco were. Most black artists and athletes are broke again 5 years after they stop making money in their profession. Apparently every single one of these people were just stupid and didn't know how to make smart moves. There was never anything more sinister happening.

I don't think I've ever heard Jay-Z speak on any of that

quoted for truth

though I dont expect Jay to speak on this or any rapper

as rappers who are even concious are stupid to not speak on this and if they do there deemed "racist."

@xxCivicxx

 

[Undergroundraplegend]

Plus jay dont haveto speak on those topics

 

[blackrain]

What kinda argument is that, cuh?..."Jay ain't bein held back by the system, he must be a pawn"...That's almost dumber than the illuminati shit...Obviously, the nigga has higher ups, but that don't mean he they slave...I(and hopefully you as well) know of plenty successful black men in real life who have no legal troubles...It's called makin smart moves...It's called spending smart money...Come on nigga...

There's a clear difference between making smart moves and living comfortably, and being worth close to a billion together with your wife. You and I know that the majority of blacks living in America will never ever come close to being that wealthy. The white middle class and the black middle class are 2 completely different classes, even though you're made to believe that they aren't. You act like I'm making a stupid argument, but has there been a single true civil rights leader throughout history that has not been assassinated/murdered/jailed/had their character assassinated. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and everyone like them are again just pawns, used to disperse any kind of energy that builds up within the black community. We are all slaves to the "higher ups" through student loan car note credit card and mortgage they debt that they trick you into placing onto yourself.

I don't understand how niggas can be so oblivious to the shit around them. Blacks don't own any more wealth than they did right after slavery ended. Not a single black person owns any of the resources coming out of Africa. The CIA pumped drugs into black communities to help break up the civil rights movement then threw millions of black men in jail for stupid shit. The prison industrial complex is a for profit system. Hip hop is being taken by whites and remolded to maximize corporate profits just like rock and roll blues jazz funk and disco were. Most black artists and athletes are broke again 5 years after they stop making money in their profession. Apparently every single one of these people were just stupid and didn't know how to make smart moves. There was never anything more sinister happening.

I don't think I've ever heard Jay-Z speak on any of that

From living beyond their means. Regular people are broke daily doing that shit

 

[white715]

Jay was on twitter yesterday, and among other things said that Columbus didn't discover America and was critical about people lying about American history.

I thought that was interesting

 

[CirocObama]

Did some nigga really compare him to Nas?

#1 What does Nas have to do with this?

#2 Great point. Bring up "It Was Written" an album from 1996, same year Jay-Z droppped a "white mafia" album too called RD btw.

#3 Finally, mention an album like "Distant Relatives", "Untitled", "Illmatic" were he talks about everything, if not even talking about hip-hop "Hip Hop Is Dead", in Jay-Z's catalogue then make that comparison. Until then shut your mouth cuz you sound dumb as hell.

I'm a fan of both but that was just pointless & dumb. Can't believe mofos co-signed that too.

 

[theycallmeboom]

lol damn Jay's a uncle tom? Damn niggas love to hate lol. Jay has had to come to the point of realization that he will never be able to please everyone especially the confused and conflicted black race, or he wouldn't be where he is today lol.

New album isn't his best album but its damn good. He isn't pandering to white nor is he pandering to black folk....I don't even see the point in writing out this post anymore. This is too twisted in with all these non-factors; the music is being missed by most. Niggas is too focused on the gift wrap...Uncle Tom? thats just a little much lol.

 

[KrazySpade]

lol yall really be acting like Jay-z should be some type of savior for the lower class.

he already created a path for us to follow and do shit on our own, he has to give handouts too?

i dont even like jay-z but i respect his hustle cuz he showed me possibilities available for a broke kid from the projects by working hard and making smart moves, personally thats all i need, ill build my little business empire on my own.

as far as the european shit, the nigga is a dam near a billionare, thats a completely different lifestyle and different taste. he can fly a private jet to europe just as easy as i can drive my busted lil truck to the 7/11 on the corner. i admire graffiti i see on the streets im on, he admires the weird shit hes into in the weird places that he has the luxury to go to lol

 

[xxCivicxx]

Nigguhs want every black person w/ money to be their savior.

Threads like these.....man o man I tell ya.

"How you a man waitin' for the next man to get rich?

Yo' plan is to stick out yo' hand real quick" - Nas

You are a dummy. For real. Investing in one's community is now a handout? You mean Jay-Z couldn't do something SMART like try and corner a business that black people utilize often? Like weave? Designer shoes? Or maybe a black construction company that would simultaneously employ black workers and clean up and rebuild black communities thus raising property values? Is it a handout when an asian person opens a convenience store in a black neighborhood? When successful white men build hospitals(not free clinics) in their own communities are those handouts?

I'm the crab in a barrel because I think that successful black people should be putting money back into their communities in some way?

Ok

Man stfu w/ that dumb shit. Nobody ever said investing in your own community was an issue. If you knew shit about me on here you would know my stance on such topics. However, expecting a muffugguh to do anything is pure backwards ass nigguh bullshit. The last time I sat around waiting for a nigguh to do anything for me was when my mama changed my last diaper. You're sitting around waiting for somebody to lead you and show you the way instead of getting out and doing for self. No shit we as African Americans have always had a serious problem w/ investing in ourselves & our communities, building the right businesses in our neighborhoods, education, policing our own neighborhoods, building generational wealth....blah blah etc etc. But, I'm not going to sit here and tell another grown ass man what to do w/ what he's earned. I'm not going to try and guilt trip or belittle the next man for not doing what "I think" he should do in the black community. That man should want to do it because it's in his heart, not because nigguhs pressuring him to part w/ what he built and earned himself. Our problems are a lot more complicated than what Jay-Z and Beyoncé do w/ their money. I get what you saying, but tuck your emotions youngster.

Why would you insult your own intelligence with this post? Who is waiting for Jay-Z to save them? Who is still expecting him to save anything after more than 2 decades in the rap game? Why is wanting successful black people to help other black people become successful called having a savior complex? I feel the same way about all successful black people, not just him. Back when black people ran Tulsa Oklahoma Tulsa's economy rivaled that of other entire countries. That was done by a black community running black owned black employing businesses. Why can't we do that again? Why would you even take issue with someone wanting that to happen? You completely misunderstand my post but then you have the nerve to try and be condescending to me?

Regardless of what you think or how you feel about Jay-Z he is now a leader of the black community, whether he wants to be or not, simply because of his wealth/exposure. I'm not expecting Jay-Z to do a damn thing for me. This thread was created to start a discussion about whether or not he is a coon. I say that he is in my opinion and I listed my reasons for that. Bob Marley, Michael Jackson, Lauryn Hill, John Lennon, Talib Kweli. These are conscious artists.

I'm saying that Jay-Z is a coon because he cares more about amassing more fiat currency than he does about strengthening his own community. I'm not trying to guilt him into anything. If he doesn't want to do it of his own accord, that's fine. But that's why he's a coon/Uncle Tom, to me at least.

There are countless instances of people immigrating here in order to build up wealth that they send right back to their country of origin. In many cases they themselves wind up going back after a while too. I know at least 4 latino men and at least 1 asian man that has done this. You niggas are so lacking in the foresight area that it's both depressing and very telling when it comes to the current state of blacks in America.