Jay-Z is a great businessman, but I'll be damned if he ain't the biggest sellout in hip hop history!

[Lab Baby]

I'm usually very outspoken about Jay's lack of social responsibility, but truthfully I can't be mad at this move. Jay's intentions were clear since RD, we can't get mad at him now cuz we were the ones who brought him to this point. We brought the records, show tickets, clothes and other merchandise that got him the money he wanted, so really it's on us for feeding the beast. My thing is hopefully this Samsung deal will come back to the community in some way... which it won't, but whatever.

 

[MarcusGarvey]

@labbaby

Back to community? If that community is the Cape Verde or St Tropez or any of those rich ass place then yes.

Let that man live he running a different race

 

[kingofharts]

Two things:

1. Rap has been about selling out since My Adidas. The culture is forever dickriding and advertising and making popular some material item, so don't speak down on a man for getting paid for doing it when Wayne, Baby, and Rick Ross ain't see a dime for popularizing Bugatti, Maybach, etc. Jay's basically made 10 million of Samsung, which goes toward paying back that Live Nation advance.

This brings me to ...

2. LMFAO@Kanye being against selling out. This he bitch is pro black and anti-establishment when it suits him. He talks about white people in America, but then kisses up to the countries who birthed the forefathers of these racist fucks. Mr. Louis Vuiton Don suddenly anti-corporate? Why? Because Samsung is Korean and not Italian/French/British is the ONLY reason I could see.

If anything, the question should be, how does Jay tolerate the fuckery that is Kanye? Musical genius aside, he's the last person to speak on anything race related when all his actions dictate the exact opposite.

Took the words right out of my mouth with #1. Rap has been disgustingly materialistic, especially recently.

So in that sense it's like at least he's getting some bread off of it.

Wish it wasn't that way, wish more real talk was in the game, but...

 

[SOWETO]

its wack, cause aint nobody RLY checkin for him; he's been "gettin' by" since kingdom come.

 

[MaxBiggavel]

Dame Dash is the great business man he was the 1 that ran Rocafella from 1996 - 2004 handled the day to day running of the label while Jay Z was just a rapper from 96 -04. Keep in mind Dame Dash also executive produced every Jay Z album until The Black Album.

Dame was the 1 that put Jay Z on in the first place when no other labels wanted to sign him and rejected him. Dame was the 1 that signed Kanye West to Rocafella and was the 1 that told him he should Rap, Dame was the 1 that signed Camron to Rocafella and signed Dipset to Rocafella.

So if you judging Jay Z as a business man you have to judge him from 2004 up till present and not when Dame Dash was basically handling the business and excutive aspects while Jay Z was just spitting bars.

As a business man you have to judge Jay Z on the rappers he signed and judge them on if they been succesful as far as sales and hits lets look at the rappers Jay Z actually signed instead of the 1s Dame signed Jay Z signed Tru Life, Uncle Murda, Lady Soveriegn, J Cole, K Koke. Neither of them have sold anything besides J Cole who himself hasn't even sold platinum

 

[international]

A lot of yall missing the point, the first thing I did was praise this move and its novelty, very strategic business and marketing move, but that's all it is, and unfortunately its not all that this denotes... this nigga comprimising his art in such a shameful way, for a 1 mil copies, I mean how much money has this nigga made? How many endorsements has he secured? How many times has he revolutionized the business model and broaden a rappers platform? When does the mission change? When does he start to think in bigger terms, when does he evolve to that next level?

Don't be fooled in to thinking that its all about money, that's what they want you to think, nah, its about Power and societies elite and media owners know this, money is simply a means to an end, and how does this nigga choose to use his power and influence, by teaming up with Samsung, and yall call this man a leader? Basically letting his album serve as a soundtrack for Samsung's smartphone and forever be associated to it, and yall here singing praises and biggin this up, come on yo...

this nigga isn't a struggling artist, nor a new artist, he a very established artist, a powerful and very influential figure to our culture, in a very powerful, yet sensitive and influential position, and this is how he decides to move? And yall acting passive and congratulating him for exchanging and comprimising the value and authenticity of his art for a guaranteed million copies, really a nigga in his position and all that's he's achieved? Furthermore, who's going to take that album seriously musically? Smh, its a shame that yall can't see it. Oh well, can't get to everyone.

 

[international]

how did this thread end up in the 2nd page when I just replied to it, 5 mins ago? smh...

@icecoldstew or @jamaica or whoever else moderates this subforum

 

[international]

uppin^^^^^

 

[international]

A lot of yall missing the point, the first thing I did was praise this move and its novelty, very strategic business and marketing move, but that's all it is, and unfortunately its not all that this denotes... this nigga comprimising his art in such a shameful way, for a 1 mil copies, I mean how much money has this nigga made? How many endorsements has he secured? How many times has he revolutionized the business model and broaden a rappers platform? When does the mission change? When does he start to think in bigger terms, when does he evolve to that next level?

Don't be fooled in to thinking that its all about money, that's what they want you to think, nah, its about Power and societies elite and media owners know this, money is simply a means to an end, and how does this nigga choose to use his power and influence, by teaming up with Samsung, and yall call this man a leader? Basically letting his album serve as a soundtrack for Samsung's smartphone and forever be associated to it, and yall here singing praises and biggin this up, come on yo...

this nigga isn't a struggling artist, nor a new artist, he a very established artist, a powerful and very influential figure to our culture, in a very powerful, yet sensitive and influential position, and this is how he decides to move? And yall acting passive and congratulating him for exchanging and comprimising the value and authenticity of his art for a guaranteed million copies, really a nigga in his position and all that's he's achieved? Furthermore, who's going to take that album seriously musically? Smh, its a shame that yall can't see it. Oh well, can't get to everyone.

 

[international]

lmao

they're making sure this thread is not on the first page, WOW!

I KNOW, WTF IS GOING ON??? SMH...

 

[international]

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^^^^all need to witness whats transpiring, smh...

 

[c. skillz]

A lot of yall missing the point, the first thing I did was praise this move and its novelty, very strategic business and marketing move, but that's all it is, and unfortunately its not all that this denotes... this nigga comprimising his art in such a shameful way, for a 1 mil copies, I mean how much money has this nigga made? How many endorsements has he secured? How many times has he revolutionized the business model and broaden a rappers platform? When does the mission change? When does he start to think in bigger terms, when does he evolve to that next level?

Don't be fooled in to thinking that its all about money, that's what they want you to think, nah, its about Power and societies elite and media owners know this, money is simply a means to an end, and how does this nigga choose to use his power and influence, by teaming up with Samsung, and yall call this man a leader? Basically letting his album serve as a soundtrack for Samsung's smartphone and forever be associated to it, and yall here singing praises and biggin this up, come on yo...

this nigga isn't a struggling artist, nor a new artist, he a very established artist, a powerful and very influential figure to our culture, in a very powerful, yet sensitive and influential position, and this is how he decides to move? And yall acting passive and congratulating him for exchanging and comprimising the value and authenticity of his art for a guaranteed million copies, really a nigga in his position and all that's he's achieved? Furthermore, who's going to take that album seriously musically? Smh, its a shame that yall can't see it. Oh well, can't get to everyone.

@international Had to go through to boondocks to find this, so sorry about your thread getting shitted on bruh...I dont agree with your argument, but I do think you raise an interesting topic nonetheless.

Not sure if you saw my post earlier, but it spoke on how this move can possibly revolutionize the music. If you're saying his mission needs to change past revolutionizing the music I disagree. He's a musician...not a politician. His focus is the music and the music industry. Regardless of what we want out of him, he honestly doesn't owe you nor me anything more than that. This move compromises the music, just as much as an NBA player signing with Nike compromises their game...it doesn't!

Most importantly, We don't know what Jay has in store musically speaking with this album, so let's wait and judge the music when once we hear it. It may be the most introspective, real Jay album to date. Then your whole point about him selling out and compromising the art is moot.

 

[international]

A lot of yall missing the point, the first thing I did was praise this move and its novelty, very strategic business and marketing move, but that's all it is, and unfortunately its not all that this denotes... this nigga comprimising his art in such a shameful way, for a 1 mil copies, I mean how much money has this nigga made? How many endorsements has he secured? How many times has he revolutionized the business model and broaden a rappers platform? When does the mission change? When does he start to think in bigger terms, when does he evolve to that next level?

Don't be fooled in to thinking that its all about money, that's what they want you to think, nah, its about Power and societies elite and media owners know this, money is simply a means to an end, and how does this nigga choose to use his power and influence, by teaming up with Samsung, and yall call this man a leader? Basically letting his album serve as a soundtrack for Samsung's smartphone and forever be associated to it, and yall here singing praises and biggin this up, come on yo...

this nigga isn't a struggling artist, nor a new artist, he a very established artist, a powerful and very influential figure to our culture, in a very powerful, yet sensitive and influential position, and this is how he decides to move? And yall acting passive and congratulating him for exchanging and comprimising the value and authenticity of his art for a guaranteed million copies, really a nigga in his position and all that's he's achieved? Furthermore, who's going to take that album seriously musically? Smh, its a shame that yall can't see it. Oh well, can't get to everyone.

@international Had to go through to boondocks to find this, so sorry about your thread getting shitted on bruh...I dont agree with your argument, but I do think you raise an interesting topic nonetheless.

Not sure if you saw my post earlier, but it spoke on how this move can possibly revolutionize the music. If you're saying his mission needs to change past revolutionizing the music I disagree. He's a musician...not a politician. His focus is the music and the music industry. Regardless of what we want out of him, he honestly doesn't owe you nor me anything more than that. This move compromises the music, just as much as an NBA player signing with Nike compromises their game...it doesn't!

Most importantly, We don't know what Jay has in store musically speaking with this album, so let's wait and judge the music when once we hear it. It may be the most introspective, real Jay album to date. Then your whole point about him selling out and compromising the art is moot.

Make no mistake this thread ain't getting shitted on, cuz of its quality, but because of its subject matter, don't make no sense why this thread staying in the 3rd page, when its been active, I guess jay or whatever associated corporations got agents for them, for shyt like this, smells like censorship on an Internet forum, smh...

And in respects to the music, you are right, we don't know what to expect, but what this denotes in terms of taking real leadership and actually revolutionising and progressing as an individual, away from the money factor, which he doesn't need anymore of, is what's disturbing, he is no leader, very far from it and this is just another move that proves it, if he was broke or new to the game, I could understand it, but an artist in his position and financial space to still be about the same thing, shows no growth or ambition outside of just getting money...

 

[KNiGHTS]

I could see if the album had tracks like, "Me and My Galaxy S4" or "Just Textin' on the S4 is the Best" screaming about sacrificing his art, but if this shit is straight up by-the-numbers Jay-Z, what the fuck are you sock-chewing-ass niggas going on about?

Bottom line is dude figured out a way to go platinum off a corporation thinking he's popular enough to get even more people to buy their phone. Again, I point out that unless he has a track of straight Samsung endorsement, there is no "selling out" that any one can point to--at least not in the "Pass the Courvoisier," "Air Force Ones," "My Adidas," dancing for chicken like MC Hammer, etc. shit.

Dude said he will not lose, and aside from "Ether," he hasn't caught an L in a long-ass minute.

 

[international]

I could see if the album had tracks like, "Me and My Galaxy S4" or "Just Textin' on the S4 is the Best" screaming about sacrificing his art, but if this shit is straight up by-the-numbers Jay-Z, what the fuck are you sock-chewing-ass niggas going on about?

Bottom line is dude figured out a way to go platinum off a corporation thinking he's popular enough to get even more people to buy their phone. Again, I point out that unless he has a track of straight Samsung endorsement, there is no "selling out" that any one can point to--at least not in the "Pass the Courvoisier," "Air Force Ones," "My Adidas," dancing for chicken like MC Hammer, etc. shit.

Dude said he will not lose, and aside from "Ether," he hasn't caught an L in a long-ass minute.

@KNIGHTS, You serious? His album is serving as a commercial for Samsung right now, and that's the reality, this album going to forever be associated to Samsung in exchange for a mllion copies, for a artist of Jay-z's stature...smh...Yall niggaz really need to wake up, cuz yall deep asleep right now!

 

[international]

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