Jay Z and Jay Electronica Souljaboy "We Made It" remake

[semi-auto-mato]

@5GRAND...i appreciate u taking the time to come back to this thread and to post that. thanks

 

[5 Grand]

Dude, reread your post. Your post is what I responded to. None of what you posted is accurate. That's why I had to bomb you with the extra long post. Virtually everything you wrote is wrong. From your first sentence about X Clan and the NGE faith to your last sentence about "Heed to the Word of a Brother" meaning the same thing as Message to the Blackman, its all wrong

X-Clan's Xodus album was about the idea of Brooklyn as the new Mecca in line with NOGE faith.

Now, you're reading a Malcolm X biography for your faith? Not a book of faith, but a biography? You realise Malcolm X is not the founder and in fact his own apprentice doubted his philosophy to the degree he adapted the NOI teachings into the NOGE ideals of black women and men as the first Gods of the Earth. So, those waters have got muddier over time.

The NOI was formed in Detroit, a predominantly black area at the time, by a man who has since been revealed to have been of Afghan origin, WF Muhammad. His son Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan and Clarence 13X have all appropriated and spun the material over the decades as the agenda has shifted.

You seem to be assuming you have to be 5% and practicing to know anything about the NOI/NOGE faith which is ridiculous. All you need is to be able to read, have some spare time and the inclination to read the material.

The point I made was the whole 5%/black culture references were common in the late 90s and in fact you agree Public Enemy agreed with Farrakhan but not the NOI completely. So why aren't you using that same logic to realise X-Clan might have got in on the gimmick at the time just like Jay-Z did on tracks like D'Evils? It's entertainment, it's not all serious, which is the point my joke about 2 Live Crew. But if you honestly don't think Heed The Word Of The Brother has any relation to Messages To The Blackman even though they basically mean the same thing, I think maybe the problem is not my literacy or lack of comprehension here.

In fact, what you wrote is emphatically wrong. X Clan is/was afrocentric and Elijah Muhammad specifically taught against afrocentrism.

 

[5 Grand]

You want to exchange some suggested further reading, here's some from me to you:
http://www.amazon.com/History-Worlds-Religions-13th-Edition/dp/0205167977
http://www.amazon.com/History-God-000-Year-Judaism-Christianity/dp/0345384563
http://www.amazon.com/Changing-Face-Andrew-Sung-Park/dp/0819218014
http://www.amazon.co.uk/History-Jewish-Muslim-Relations-Origins-Present/dp/069115127X/

They're not all cheap but the digital versions and used copies seem more more reasonable.

Also, its books like those that confuse people. They almost always get the teachings wrong. The try to analyze the teachings and re-explain them rather than just quoting the teachings verbatim. Its important to quote the original teachings verbatim.

If anybody reading this is sincerely interested in NOI teachings and/or 5% teachings, read ;

The primary sources for the Nation of Islam;

1. The Supreme Wisdom Lessons - This is what Master Fard Muhammad left when he mysteriously disappeared.

2. Message to the Black Man and/or any book authored by Elijah Muhammmad. There's an organization called The Messenger Elijah Muhammad Propagation Society (M.E.M.P.S.). They transcribe Elijah Muhammad's speeches and reprint them into books. Anything published by them is official.

3. The Autobiography of Malcolm X as told to Alex Haley - This book changed my life when I read it in high school. I just recently copped a first edition which is a little different from the version I read in high school.

4. Black Muslims in America (first edition) by C. Eric Lincoln. This book was published in 1961. It's told from a secular point of view. Its a good companion to Message to the Blackman which is more like scripture. Later editions of this book don't read like the first edition because the statistics are different and in some cases the text doesn't match the statistics or the current political climate. Basically an updated edition of this book is pointless.

Edit

5. Study Guide #19 A&B ; Who is God - Louis Farrakhan. There's over 20 study guides but this is the best one. Minister Farrakhan authored it in 1997.

 

[5 Grand]

Fair enough but that doesn't give you the right to say things about my beliefs that aren't true (i.e. Elijah Muhammad is afrocentric) . I'm not trying to convert you. I'm not trying to preach a sermon either. But if you're going to mention the Nation of Islam then everything you say has to be 100% right and exact or you will get checked. In your earlier post you typed several factual errors about the Nation of Islam that were unequivocally false.

 

[Listencloser]

Jay Z got his start around Ansaaru Allah not NGE.

 

[The_Man]

I don't know who to believe, life can be a head fuck when you over think all this shit

 

[za'kiss]

Bruh ima keep it 100 .... I didn't remember at all that this shit was a soulja boy song ...lol with that being said ...is it realllly that hard to improve upon a musical and or lyrical concept that that kid has brought forth? I mean I'm sayin tho ....like really? That's setting the bar quite damn low ..lol ...but I can see how one may appreciate the ability of an artist to flip an interpretation like that I still don't feel like this is top shelf Jay Elec shit to me ...this isn't "something to hold on to" JE ..this isn't "shiny suit theory" JE it was aiiiiite it was coo... It wasn't no damn fiyyyya lol like I was reading from all these dudes before I listened .... If I wouldn't have read all that first I probably would have just listened to it and been like oh ok boom ...coo

I think it's top shelf because it's not just a Soulja Boy song, but an entire tradition in rap that Jay's subverting with this verse. It's a cool take on the braggadocio theme in rap. He's not flat out criticizing it, he's flippin' it. And that's cool to me. Like I said, it's one of the most thematically focused approaches I've seen him take with his perspective (maybe since "Dimethyltryptamine").

Yo ...I don't want to put "i guess we'll just agree to disagree" in no more because obviously niggas is still going back n forth tryna get they little points in ...hahaha

Fair enough. If you don't like it as much as me, there's not much I can tell you. That's what I liked about it and I guess I put a little higher value on what he did here than you. It's all good fam. I appreciate the exchange.

 

[Shawn Jay-Z Carter]

IC yall cant front on this joint and yall know it. I challenge each and all of you man. What verse since then is harder then my shit on this track. Every time I listen to this song it makes me wanna buy another white man firm. I blacked out so much on this I stay on rap genius whenever I listen to it. Them jews over there smart as hell too

 

[rip.dilla]

^ your best verse on a song in a long while. Flawless shit