J Cole Is Not A Go Getter..He Ain't A Hustler

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I don't wanna hear about Cole until his album drops
I don't wanna hear about his next callabo
I don't wanna hear about his next mixtape
I don't wanna know who he's opening up for

just drop a fucking album. damn at least get a release date. drop a single or something

 

[P. Town]

Cape Crusaders in here like a muhfucka. If it was somebody else this thread would have a million co-signs.

 

[thesynthesis]

the only problem is.....there is no problem with his career

people are complaining because they want his album, thats a good thing.

there is a problem his album should be out now

so much young new talent coming out, if j cole aint careful he will end up like joel ortiz or saigon, the guy who had all the talent in the world, had big names backing him, but never really broke the barrier.

i think jay has not invested in his artist as much as say wayne and baby have with drake, jay obviously is a busy guy, he has many other ventures including his own career, but i don't think he is putting in work for j cole like dame was putting in work for jay. seems to me jay has left other folk in charge of coles career, who are not doing a very good job.

after cole flops (which he will) gets off rocnation, it will all hit the fan in terms of him and jay

uif anyone thinks j cole will have success like wiz, BoB and drake they are deluded, unless Jay starts doing his job as a CEO, wudnt hold my breath

 

[tompetrez3]

Can ya'll let the man take his time and make the album everyone wants him to make, or would yall rather dude put out some half assed album like Drake and Wiz?

I have no doubt dude can make a classic if he is saving the best songs from The Warm Up and Friday Night Lights. If people haven't noticed by now, Roc Nation is going back to the traditional music business model (Artist Development), of where you build an artist fanbase and find the right singles. I have no doubt that J Cole will have more longevity than most these dudes who have these big singles and then their albums don't sell shit (Gucci, Wacka,etc).

Is it about the art or is it about all that other nonsense (swag, sales, etc). Let the man make his album, then judge him. As for the other shit, i genuinely feel 90 percent of his haters are residual Jay-z haters, niggas who don't get his lyrics, and niggers who like mindless music (club and radio music).

Makes you wonder what would happen if Nas and Pac came out on the scene today?

the buisness model that you talking about roc nation bringin back is irrelevant in today's music industry. while you lettin Jay Z sell you this pipe dream of the perfect moment and right timing go ahead and reserve your J Cole album on 8 Track. instead of cole acting like a know it all and anti social hipster he and Jay Z need to be meeting face to face and have some real dialog, input and progress on his career. that fanbase yall niggas screaming about is getting older and thus losing interest in hip hop like ALL OF US complaning niggas on the IC. aint nobody hating on Jay Z when they critcising cole they just want a fuckin album from the nigga. is that too much to ask as the person that ultimately makes or breaks his career? J Cole aint did enough to make his fans wait. you act like you all into prog rock and shit. you know those artists are dedicated and listen to their fanbase. they give them constant updates on albums in progress and deliver them on time. thats how they keep they fanbase and win grammies and greatness. cole cant turn his nose up on thirsty fans. neither can Jay Z. he needs to hire the right people that know a thing or 2 about marketing instead of having a delusional 47 year old rapper who Dame built trying to break a new UNHEARD of rapper. Tours dont mean shit. half of them are free or headlined by a bigger artist so that grassroots shit aint really gonna do much. smh @ this nigga if he still performing who dat. a double sprain inducing smh @ Jay Z for letting him

 

[usmarin3]

there is a problem his album should be out now

so much young new talent coming out, if j cole aint careful he will end up like joel ortiz or saigon, the guy who had all the talent in the world, had big names backing him, but never really broke the barrier.

i think jay has not invested in his artist as much as say wayne and baby have with drake, jay obviously is a busy guy, he has many other ventures including his own career, but i don't think he is putting in work for j cole like dame was putting in work for jay. seems to me jay has left other folk in charge of coles career, who are not doing a very good job.

after cole flops (which he will) gets off rocnation it will all hit the fan in terms of him and jay

Why should it be out if it's not ready to come, so yall can shit on it. It took Illmatic 3 years to be made and many other classics (not saying his debut will be Illmatic).

You can't compare J Cole to Ortiz or Saigon, because neither one of those dudes were being developed like that. Yall are acting like J Cole is sitting around int he studio scratching his head, dude is consistently touring (college campuses, Europe,etc). Fans don't buy albums off singles anymore, they buy albums because they are emotionally invested in an artist. Look at Flo Ridah and Pitbull, big ass singles and can't sell albums for shit.

Wayne panders his artist, his artist aren't self contained, once he falls off all his artist will fall of. I think Jay learned alot from the Memphis Bleek situation and the Kanye situation, you can't force the public to like an artist. The reason why Kanye succeeded and Bleek, Beans,etc failed is because Kanye is a self contained artist, he had his own vision and didn't need his hand to be held.

J Cole will not flop i promise you that, no reason he can't have a career atleast like Lupe, if not more due to his female following.

 

[thesynthesis]

put it this way pac by 19 already had put out an album, it did not sell millions, but it earned him a strong fanbase and he built from there.. Nas did the same.

you cant do big numbers all the time, it seems j cole and the people behind him are more concerned about how many sales j cole will do, so they are waiting for the right moment, which might never come..

they should just put out the album, market it see what happens, then go onto work on the next

not every artist can put out a Get Rich or Die Trying

 

[t_m_a_c_f_a_n73088]

put it this way pac by 19 already had put out an album, it did not sell millions, but it earned him a strong fanbase.

you cant do big numbers all the time, it seems j cole and the people behind him are more concerned about how many sales j cole will do, so they are waiting for the right moment, which might never come..

they should just put out the album, market it see what happens, then go onto work on the next

not every artist can put out a Get Rich or Die Trying

I hate to say it since synth posted it, but I agree with this shit lol. Lots of rappers have flopped, but if your a quality artist that shit will shine through. Look @ wale, attention deficit was a dud and he's gotten bigger and bigger since because he's a good artist

 

[thesynthesis]

I hate to say it since synth posted it, but I agree with this shit lol. Lots of rappers have flopped, but if your a quality artist that shit will shine through. Look @ wale, attention deficit was a dud and he's gotten bigger and bigger since because he's a good artist

yup, when Nas dropped illmatic it did not do huge numbers, but the critics and die hard fans loved it, he earned respect for his music, it built the foundations for IWW and that did great numbers

The problem here people are to concerned about sales, like if any artist doesnt do big numbers off the gate somehow he is wack

just look at how everyone was talking about how much drake and niki might sell off theyre debut, instead of the music, its fucked the game up to the point where artists like j cole cant even put out an album until the time is right

 

[usmarin3]

the buisness model that you talking about roc nation bringin back is irrelevant in today's music industry. while you lettin Jay Z sell you this pipe dream of the perfect moment and right timing go ahead and reserve your J Cole album on 8 Track. instead of cole acting like a know it all and anti social hipster he and Jay Z need to be meeting face to face and have some real dialog, input and progress on his career. that fanbase yall niggas screaming about is getting older and thus losing interest in hip hop like ALL OF US complaning niggas on the IC. aint nobody hating on Jay Z when they critcising cole they just want a fuckin album from the nigga. is that too much to ask as the person that ultimately makes or breaks his career? J Cole aint did enough to make his fans wait. you act like you all into prog rock and shit. you know those artists are dedicated and listen to their fanbase. they give them constant updates on albums in progress and deliver them on time. thats how they keep they fanbase and win grammies and greatness. cole cant turn his nose up on thirsty fans. neither can Jay Z. he needs to hire the right people that know a thing or 2 about marketing instead of having a delusional 47 year old rapper who Dame built trying to break a new UNHEARD of rapper. Tours dont mean shit. half of them are free or headlined by a bigger artist so that grassroots shit aint really gonna do much. smh @ this nigga if he still performing who dat. a double sprain inducing smh @ Jay Z for letting him

How is it dead, when we just the model work for Lupe you fucking dimwit? You consistently tour, put out a quality product and put on a quality show, and that's how you build a fanbase. I'm more than positive J Coles fanbase aren't like these other rap niggas fans who have the attention span of a fly, like i said in another post, there is no reason why he can't tap into Lupe's type fanbase at worst. If you obsessive compulsive ass would of read or listen to any of dudes interviews, he has said numerous times he speaks to Jay all the time and picks his brain. He also said he hasn't finished his album yet!

I'm gonna trust the A and R and these label heads over any of you arm chair record label execs, ya'll over simplify the music business and act like ya'll know some secret formula to blow and artist up. Marketing alone doesn't make anyone blow up nowadays!

LOL at tours don't mean shit, are you out your dumb ass mind. Artist see more money off touring and branding than they do record sales, Tomp you need to just stop dude, because you are a fucking idiot.

 

[beerisgood4ya]

every other day i see one of these j.cole threads, it makes me want to play his music again, niggas keep his name buzzing, thats good shit......

what will the j.cole thread tommorrow be about? predictions bout his sales???? the nigga lazy, again?????? or a j.cole appreciation thread?????

 

[buttuh_b]

I'm just waitin for him to drop and flop so I can get at BOOM for trying to say that shit was going gold first week or whatever dumb shit he said...

Over/Under 25k first week sales?

 

[usmarin3]

put it this way pac by 19 already had put out an album, it did not sell millions, but it earned him a strong fanbase and he built from there.. Nas did the same.

you cant do big numbers all the time, it seems j cole and the people behind him are more concerned about how many sales j cole will do, so they are waiting for the right moment, which might never come..

they should just put out the album, market it see what happens, then go onto work on the next

not every artist can put out a Get Rich or Die Trying

I don't know what business school you went to, but no label is gonna spend millions to just put out some shit without getting it's return back. Why not set up the artist and put him in a position where he can do the best he can, not just hope to do the best he can.

I don't even know why this is even a convo anyways, it's not like dude is finished with his album. That alone should of ended the convo!

 

[P. Town]

I don't know what business school you went to, but no label is gonna spend millions to just put out some shit without getting it's return back. Why not set up the artist and put him in a position where he can do the best he can, not just hope to do the best he can.

I don't even know why this is even a convo anyways, it's not like dude is finished with his album. That alone should of ended the convo!

How you know he ain't finished with his album? You talked to him lately?

 

[tompetrez3]

How is it dead, when we just the model work for Lupe you fucking dimwit? You consistently tour, put out a quality product and put on a quality show, and that's how you build a fanbase. I'm more than positive J Coles fanbase aren't like these other rap niggas fans who have the attention span of a fly, like i said in another post, there is no reason why he can't tap into Lupe's type fanbase at worst. If you obsessive compulsive ass would of read or listen to any of dudes interviews, he has said numerous times he speaks to Jay all the time and picks his brain. He also said he hasn't finished his album yet!

I'm gonna trust the A and R and these label heads over any of you arm chair record label execs, ya'll over simplify the music business and act like ya'll know some secret formula to blow and artist up. Marketing alone doesn't make anyone blow up nowadays!

LOL at tours don't mean shit, are you out your dumb ass mind. Artist see more money off touring and branding than they do record sales, Tomp you need to just stop dude, because you are a fucking idiot.

what the fuck is going to tour with? who dat and that fly by night mixtape shit. you have to have a product to keep that show money coming in. thats why touring and album release dates go hand in hand like i mentioned with the prog rock example. you a damn fool if you think j cole eating from touring mixtape material. and if he is that is bush league artist devolopment. they have 16-17 year olds on twitter doing the same "devolopment" that cole is doing. 2 years on a major label still carrying himself like a local nigga is pathetic.

how you gonna trust an ar when there arent anymore of them. especially in hip hop. when the labels started downsizing they were the first to go. ask your hubby. soon as he turned his back on dame he fired all of his rocafella and roc la familia A/R and managment. that ar and artist development shit is DEAD. it died no later than 2002. why do you think producers are back to being the hands on groomers of these artists now? the days of niggas sittin in a office scoutin talent is DEAD. u living in the past

 

[usmarin3]

How you know he ain't finished with his album? You talked to him lately?

About 2-3 weeks ago he said he was adding live strings to his album and putting the finishing touches on it. He said when he reaches 500,000 followers on twitter he will announce the album title.

 

[P. Town]

About 2-3 weeks ago he said he was adding live strings to his album and putting the finishing touches on it. He said when he reaches 500,000 followers on twitter he will announce the album title.

See, that's that lame shit. He gon wait for 44,000 people to find interest in him via Twitter? That's just another excuse. Nigga ain't doing shit

 

[usmarin3]

what the fuck is going to tour with? who dat and that fly by night mixtape shit. you have to have a product to keep that show money coming in. thats why touring and album release dates go hand in hand like i mentioned with the prog rock example. you a damn fool if you think j cole eating from touring mixtape material. and if he is that is bush league artist devolopment. they have 16-17 year olds on twitter doing the same "devolopment" that cole is doing. 2 years on a major label still carrying himself like a local nigga is pathetic.

how you gonna trust an ar when there arent anymore of them. especially in hip hop. when the labels started downsizing they were the first to go. ask your hubby. soon as he turned his back on dame he fired all of his rocafella and roc la familia A/R and managment. that ar and artist development shit is DEAD. it died no later than 2002. why do you think producers are back to being the hands on groomers of these artists now? the days of niggas sittin in a office scoutin talent is DEAD. u living in the past

Huh, the 3 mixtape worth of material, you do realize not all fans listen to singles all day right and the body of your album is generally what builds a fanbase right. How many hit records does someone like a Tech Nine, Common,Roots, Talib, etc have and yet they consistently tour and make good money? Touring and album release doesn't necessarily go hand in hand, you have artist who tour all year long, The Roots did that prior the the Jimmy Fallon gig.

LOL at Bush League, since when is doing 5k plus crowds Bush League?

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There is a reason why them niggas over at the labels have been in the business 15 plus years and wealthy, while you'r selling soda cans to move our your moms basement. That's the problem with you internet niggas, yall swear yall know everything, if the music business was that easy to figure out, it wouldn't be in the state that it is. The days of putting out a hit single and the artist going gold or platinum is over.

 

[usmarin3]

See, that's that lame shit. He gon wait for 44,000 people to find interest in him via Twitter? That's just another excuse. Nigga ain't doing shit

How do you take the statement what i said and infer that, what kind of nigga logic is that? smh

 

[Jr523]

So if he aint hoppin on remixes wit all these wack ass rappers he aint no hustler??

 

[P. Town]

How do you take the statement what i said and infer that, what kind of nigga logic is that? smh

He's waiting to get 500,000 followers on Twitter and needs like 44,000 to get to that number. Where they gonna come from? Cause the nigga ain't doing shit to gain 44,000 followers. People don't just get on Twitter and say, "Hmm, I wanna follow this and that artist". Those artist gain followers through activity. If your name is involved in something going on at the moment, whether a new song, mixtape, etc., people will follow you. J Cole ain't doing shit at the moment. Yeah he on tour, but anybody who is going to see him open up are most likely already following him as they are fans. So what will he do to gain these 44,000 followers?