makaveli4ever
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I feel what you are saying here.Mrslim1;3825706 said:
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It's time to say it......Kanye West is in the same discussion at Big/Nas/Jay/Pac
Kanye brought conscioussness, confessionalism whatever you wanna call it to mainstream hip hop, he got people to stop rapping bout guns and drugs as the only way to make money in hip hop
No one else did that.. there are scores of other people who are better rappers but he deserves to be in the discussion..
No one else did that.. there are scores of other people who are better rappers but he deserves to be in the discussion..
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makaveli4ever
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He started a movement really. Kanye is like a damn rockstar.
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KingdomKame;3825739 said:Kanye brought conscioussness, confessionalism whatever you wanna call it to mainstream hip hop, he got people to stop rapping bout guns and drugs as the only way to make money in hip hop
No one else did that.. there are scores of other people who are better rappers but he deserves to be in the discussion..
theres 2 kanyes....
i LOVE the CD LR kanye... i HATE the whiny techno post graduation kanye
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makaveli4ever;3825752 said:He started a movement really. Kanye is like a damn rockstar.
kanye is the most influential rapper of the last decade.. BY FAAAAAAAAAR
thats a HORRIBLE look for hip-hop
kanye took away the aggresive content in hip-hop culture in the mainstream
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Cosign kanye is above the rest that top 5 shit is garbage, kanye west never puts his self into a box he is not afraid to try different things.how many rappers can say the sample Elton john, Michael Jackson and daft punk on the same fucking album not that many.Mrslim1;3825706 said:Kanye is the most important figure in Hip Hop musically/artistically since maybe NWA . He brought life to the genre . Added at least 15 years to Jay-Z career ( A Legend ) . Help bring Twista to the mainstream . Jamie Foxx , John Legend . Common's career was rejuvenated with the help of Kanye . No he is not a top 5 rapper but he is a very good rapper and the musical aspect of his artistry sets him apart . Kanye is greater that just a rapper . Jay , Nas , Pac etc . And those guys are GOAT rappers . But thats the prob they are just rappers But Kanye is a far better artist because of his ability to make music and the diversity of the kind of music he produces. Its like comparing Stevie Wonder to Avant . Real Talk . Yea Avant is a singer , so is Stevie . But Stevie is a drummer , pianist . songwriter , experimental with sounds , producer etc etc etc . There are things that are unique to Hip Hop yes , But what is not unique to Hip Hop is that its MUSIC . And to be respected by musicians Hip Hop needs to have more niggas that do more than rap . Just my opinion
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KeepinItHundred
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Rey Negro;3825662 said:If Kanye didn't produce, and rapped on horrible production, then he wouldn't be Kanye West. The creativity, the production, that's what makes him him.
That's like me asking, what if Nas wasn't lyrical and had Ye's production, would he still be hot? Could he make the same music Ye makes. Could Nas make "Runway". Then he wouldn't be Nas nigga LOL
so kanye is an average rapper who isn't comparable to jay, big or nas.
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makaveli4ever
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ROFL.GUY;3825767 said:kanye is the most influential rapper of the last decade.. BY FAAAAAAAAAR
thats a HORRIBLE look for hip-hop
kanye took away the aggresive content in hip-hop culture in the mainstream
No he didn't. Kanye just speaks on real shit. Especially in his early work. It's not like it was soft.
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KeepinItHundred;3825781 said:so kanye is an average rapper who isn't comparable to jay, big or nas.
as himself, by himself hell no he defintely isn't as good
But he got albums that are fucking with and are better than they're's..
and he's an original who greatly influenced hip hop
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makaveli4ever
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As a rapper he is nowhere close to Nas, jay. They run circles around him. Kanye's production and overall impact overshadows his mc skills. Which r good.
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son of 1973
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Mrslim1;3825706 said:Kanye is the most important figure in Hip Hop musically/artistically since maybe NWA . He brought life to the genre . Added at least 15 years to Jay-Z career ( A Legend ) . Help bring Twista to the mainstream . Jamie Foxx , John Legend . Common's career was rejuvenated with the help of Kanye . No he is not a top 5 rapper but he is a very good rapper and the musical aspect of his artistry sets him apart . Kanye is greater that just a rapper . Jay , Nas , Pac etc . And those guys are GOAT rappers . But thats the prob they are just rappers But Kanye is a far better artist because of his ability to make music and the diversity of the kind of music he produces. Its like comparing Stevie Wonder to Avant . Real Talk . Yea Avant is a singer , so is Stevie . But Stevie is a drummer , pianist . songwriter , experimental with sounds , producer etc etc etc . There are things that are unique to Hip Hop yes , But what is not unique to Hip Hop is that its MUSIC . And to be respected by musicians Hip Hop needs to have more niggas that do more than rap . Just my opinion
I respect your opinion. Only thing i would say is that in the case of Stevie, he was not only mulittalented outside of singing but he was one of the greatest singers ever. You cant say that about Kanye as far as rapping alone is concerned. He's prolly the best of the 2000's generation and a production genius. But I listen to MCs to be impressed and Kanye just dont do that for me. I can see that he's legendary at this point though, just not top 5 for me.
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makaveli4ever;3825788 said:No he didn't. Kanye just speaks on real shit. Especially in his early work. It's not like it was soft.
kanye = jay z subject matter after LR
LR was the last REAL kanye album...
he the biggest offender of rappin about riches etc....it funny tho he used to be the EXACT OPPOSITE
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makaveli4ever
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ROFL.GUY;3825818 said:kanye = jay z subject matter after LR
LR was the last REAL kanye album...
he the biggest offender of rappin about riches etc....it funny tho he used to be the EXACT OPPOSITE
I am not a huge fan of his post Graduation either. MBDTF is overrated all over the place.
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makaveli4ever
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he is a legend. Nobody can really deny that. Even haters
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son of 1973;3825806 said:I respect your opinion. Only thing i would say is that in the case of Stevie, he was not only mulittalented outside of singing but he was one of the greatest singers ever. You cant say that about Kanye as far as rapping alone is concerned. He's prolly the best of the 2000's generation and a production genius. But I listen to MCs to be impressed and Kanye just dont do that for me. I can see that he's legendary at this point though, just not top 5 for me.
I agree with the bolded . Stevie is also a GOAT singer and Performer to add . Kanye is not a all-time great rapper when it come to lyricism , however he may be a GOAT rapper in getting is point across and message across with his music tho. Where he may lack in lyricism in my opinion he makes up with the passion and the vision in his music .
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KingdomKame;3825847 said:Yall bout to call me a stan.. whatever
but to me its almost disrespectful to say dude isn't legendary at this point
legendary as in not the greatest rapper ever... hell fuckin no at that
but as a figure in hip hop...
based on what he's done
YOU are a perfect example of what kanyes ifluence has had on rap music.
no diss...
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ROFL.GUY;3825873 said:YOU are a perfect example of what kanyes ifluence has had on rap music.
no diss...
lol.............
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KingdomKame;3825847 said:Yall bout to call me a stan.. whatever
but to me its almost disrespectful to say dude isn't legendary at this point
legendary as in not the greatest rapper ever... hell fuckin no at that
but as a figure in hip hop...
based on what he's done
If kanye west was to say he is going to retire on his twitter account right now hip hop would be fucking boring after he leaves I swear.
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Focal Point
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straightupsho;3823562 said:pac is an average mc then
but he is... it's his lyrical aspect, the true definition of it, which is expressing observation or emotions, his charisma, his in your face persona, and his down to earth mentally that helps him rise above the lack of technical skills
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