Ayo Hoodie
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Jay Z fell off but he still kind of nice.
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Hero!387;5320346 said:Jay-Z's music has been stale for years now. American Gangster was extremely impressive, a testament to how talented he really is but he usually limits his own talent to maintain pop culture relevancy. He's made the same album a few times Kingdom Come, The Blueprint 2 & The Blueprint 3 are all pretty much recycled versions of the same project and Watch The Throne is the worst of them all, the sloppiest, most pointless thing I've heard in some time.
Blueprint2 and 3 is no worse than mediocre ass Street Disciple and Hiphop is Dead. Distant Relatives was audio Nyquil, Damien Marley bodied that nigga on the whole album, especially on Patience.
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KeepinItHundred
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usmarin3;5320387 said:Hero!387;5320346 said:Jay-Z's music has been stale for years now. American Gangster was extremely impressive, a testament to how talented he really is but he usually limits his own talent to maintain pop culture relevancy. He's made the same album a few times Kingdom Come, The Blueprint 2 & The Blueprint 3 are all pretty much recycled versions of the same project and Watch The Throne is the worst of them all, the sloppiest, most pointless thing I've heard in some time.
Blueprint2 and 3 is no worse than mediocre ass Street Disciple and Hiphop is Dead. Distant Relatives was audio Nyquil, Damien Marley bodied that nigga on the whole album, especially on Patience.
not worse, but just as bad.
nas was better than damien on leaders and land of promise. the rest damien was better on but damien will always sound better than an ny rapper on african and jamaican instrumentals. damien would body jay for a whole album too.(gasp).
Disciplined InSight
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usmarin3;5320372 said:Hero!387;5320324 said:Not selling records doesn't necessarily mean you fell off. Nas doesn't sell millions like he used to because he doesn't try to pander to the masses. He's not concerned with "the rap game" he's concerned with pushing the limits of his creativity and craft. Stillmatic, God's Son, Street's Disciple, Hip Hop Is Dead, (untitled), and Distant Relatives are all releases nearly completely void of any attempts to please all sides of the fence. Nas didn't fall off, he was real enough to not give a fuck about the fake love and walk away to make real music.
Then what do you call this? Blatant crossover attempts
You niggas are the biggest hypocrites ever and conveniently turn a blind eye to shit that contradicts your stance.
Industry business that's what it is. Nas didn't do it to gain acceptance from the White audience...like your idol do.
It was all good just a few pages ago...went from most of NY rappers falling off to Nas Vs Jay-Z...
Since most people consider sales a measurement of success and relevancy, i posted the numbers and by today sales climate, Nas is doing exceptionally well. So that argument is done.
If you want to make the argument that Nas sells less than Jay, i got a secret....about 90% of artist now sold less than Jay. So that argument makes no sense..You probably can count on one hand a artist who can sell more than Jay.
Both artist influence the current generation heavily...both artist can come out with a record and still receive a warm reception. Jay-z has more power and music is more ingrained into pop culture so of course he is going to sell.
Props on both artist for still being able to sell more units than most of the new artist, and they been in the game over 10 years
Can't we just all agree they are both relevant in their own way
Since most people consider sales a measurement of success and relevancy, i posted the numbers and by today sales climate, Nas is doing exceptionally well. So that argument is done.
If you want to make the argument that Nas sells less than Jay, i got a secret....about 90% of artist now sold less than Jay. So that argument makes no sense..You probably can count on one hand a artist who can sell more than Jay.
Both artist influence the current generation heavily...both artist can come out with a record and still receive a warm reception. Jay-z has more power and music is more ingrained into pop culture so of course he is going to sell.
Props on both artist for still being able to sell more units than most of the new artist, and they been in the game over 10 years
Can't we just all agree they are both relevant in their own way
Disciplined InSight
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ohhhla;5321672 said:Nas can't pander to masses.
You Nas stans think he can but he can't.
You think he chooses not to go platinum or gold.
Like he's putting it out for free and acclaim.
See It Was Written and I Am to refute your 1st statement.
Nas "chooses" to put crossover singles on his albums because we all seemed to forget that this is still a business and he has to "play the game" for the dumb downed audience out there for those that fiend for radio-friendly singles to sing along, dance along etc., but in a way Nas has to put something into it to maintain some creativity because Hip Hop is still an art.
Nas has gotten to a point where he realizes his music ain't for the dumb-downed whereas Jay don't mind dumbing to double his dollars and audience to the point now his lyrical exercises gotten somewhat flabby and sick...but at least he admitted it.
And let's not forgot Jay can go platinum easily nowadays...as long as Kanye's in the mix.
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Reggie80;5321625 said:@usmarin3 I have a couple of questions for you bruh are you saying nas is wack?
If Nas and Jay never got into it would you feel the same way about Nas?
Why did you skip past @a_list post cause that shit seems too make alot of sense!
LOL in all honesty, i think Nas is the second goat rapper behind Jay.
What i can't stand is his holier than now stan base, like Nas don't be on that materialistic and objectifying women shit too. I can name tons of Nas songs where he is rapping about ice, bitches, money,etc.
I'm gonna tell you dusty ass Jansport wearing niggas something, your taste is not better than anyone else, your knowledge is not more extensive than anyone else, etc. You niggas are stuck in 1994 and ya'll need to stop being hypocrites by criticizing others for what Nas gets away with.
Ya'll are some music snobs and nerds, no different than Indy rock fans.
bankrupt baller
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The marines as a whole lost.
bankrupt baller;5322046 said:The marines as a whole lost.
bet you wouldn't go up to one and say that, female or male in your case.
bankrupt baller
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usmarin3;5322055 said:bankrupt baller;5322046 said:The marines as a whole lost.
bet you wouldn't go up to one and say that, female or male in your case.
actually i work with one....he seen your posts and immediately accepted his L
Disciplined InSight;5321812 said:ohhhla;5321672 said:Nas can't pander to masses.
You Nas stans think he can but he can't.
You think he chooses not to go platinum or gold.
Like he's putting it out for free and acclaim.
See It Was Written and I Am to refute your 1st statement.
Nas "chooses" to put crossover singles on his albums because we all seemed to forget that this is still a business and he has to "play the game" for the dumb downed audience out there for those that fiend for radio-friendly singles to sing along, dance along etc., but in a way Nas has to put something into it to maintain some creativity because Hip Hop is still an art.
Nas has gotten to a point where he realizes his music ain't for the dumb-downed whereas Jay don't mind dumbing to double his dollars and audience to the point now his lyrical exercises gotten somewhat flabby and sick...but at least he admitted it.
And let's not forgot Jay can go platinum easily nowadays...as long as Kanye's in the mix.
Jay could drop a solo album with no Kanye on it this year and it would go platinum.
I don't understand why niggas think Jay isn't as commercially viable as he is, always giving credit to everyone but him for his consistent sales.
starvin;5322109 said:starvin;5322109 said:The stannery in this thread is slightly disturbing
I'm still hoping that this shyt is an act....I would think that sun wouldve fallen back after Jay told him the difference between a 4.0 and a 4.6....lol
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bankrupt baller
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vanilla ice sold 14 mill.....GOAT
bankrupt baller;5322857 said:vanilla ice sold 14 mill.....GOAT
Typical dumb nigga logic, lets choose the worst rapper ever and use his massive sales like it's the normal. Guess what, Tupac, Biggie, and Jay also sold millions more than Nas and they have classic albums and timeless records. See how that works.
Anyone can pick a shitty rapper who sells and act like it's the norm, but those shitty rappers don't have the catalogs of Pac, Big, and Jay.
