The reason why jay has been more successful than them washed 90s niggas is because he switched up hid sound and never limited himself to dusty boom nap back packers. Niggas likeNas marginalized their audience and pigeonholed themselves. That's why when Nas makes singles with Chris Brown, Kerry Hilson,etc itdoesnt work.
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Jaw Breaker;5311027 said:
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He was smart enough to understand how the music "business" operates. And as far as still goin strong out there still on the radio and still widely heard by the people, he's the man. I aint stupid or lame enough to be a region hatin loser, just true.Those other Ny rappers aint heard. Unless you wanna search hard. But he is actually still popular.
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usmarin3;5311011 said:
Like I said 5 years is along time case in point 2003-2008 50 was popping nothing now.
98-2003 ja rule was popping well we know his story.I can go on but I'm not you get the point.
You can call it what you want but Jay ain't on the same level from American Gangster days,he couldn't make that album or anything close too it to save his life, but you have swallowed so much of his dna I can't expect you too have a unbiased opinion.
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define "felloff" because Nas is still lyrically potent and is dropping good music.
I posted some real sh*t but something went wrong. Basically I was saying Jay Z is similar to Madonna in that sense that he attaches himself and his sound to whoever and whatever is hot at that moment.
In '96 Jigga rapped with Big. In '97 he rapped with Foxy. In '98 he was down with Irv, appearing in his videos and vice versa, and he rapped with DMX and Ja. They even had plans to create a supergroup but that never materialized. In '99 he jumped on that "Ha" remix with Juvie. In '02/'03 he did things with 50 after he blew. After Kanye blew '03 he rapped with him, even recording joint albums eventhough he wasn't feeling 'Ye when he started spitting.
Jay'll record with rappers that are hot but stops messing with them when they fall off and I can't blame him. This is a business afterall.
While I kinda see your point if Jigga would release material similar to American Gangster heads would criticize him for lack of growth and creativity. When he keeps talking about hustling general rapfans hold that against him but when he tries to do something new like Kingdon Come fans criticize him also.
In '96 Jigga rapped with Big. In '97 he rapped with Foxy. In '98 he was down with Irv, appearing in his videos and vice versa, and he rapped with DMX and Ja. They even had plans to create a supergroup but that never materialized. In '99 he jumped on that "Ha" remix with Juvie. In '02/'03 he did things with 50 after he blew. After Kanye blew '03 he rapped with him, even recording joint albums eventhough he wasn't feeling 'Ye when he started spitting.
Jay'll record with rappers that are hot but stops messing with them when they fall off and I can't blame him. This is a business afterall.
Reggie80;5311072 said:
While I kinda see your point if Jigga would release material similar to American Gangster heads would criticize him for lack of growth and creativity. When he keeps talking about hustling general rapfans hold that against him but when he tries to do something new like Kingdon Come fans criticize him also.
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why is this just limited to NY rappers? how many rappers from anywhere has been this successful for this long?
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usmarin3;5311039 said:
Not true. Jay-Z's business moves and his relationship with Beyonce gave his brand waaaaay more relevancy than he would've had by now. Jay-Z is a brand his name alone will sell records. He gained alot more female fans and Beyonce fans when he hooked up with her too. Same thing with Swizz when he got with Alicia. Not that it's a bad thing but don't sit there and act like Jay-Z would've been that popular still if those things didn't happen. That's why Jay-Z can be gone for 5 years without dropping albums and still remain "out there" and still do big shows. It's not cuz of his music per se.
Funny tho how relevancy is measured in popularity. A rapper is irrelevant to me when i'm no longer interested in his music or what he has to say, not cuz he isn't as popular, isn't selling as many records and not trendy anymore.
How can Nas be irrelevant when he dropped prolly the best hip-hop album this year? I loved Hip Hop Is Dead and Nigger too so he always has and always will catch my ear as a fan. He's here strictly based off of his music. Not cuz who he's married with, not cuz of his sponsors, not cuz of his clothing line, not cuz he sold this many records, not cuz of his investments etc. When you think of Nas you think of his music and lyricsm before anything else, so if you call a 20 year career strictly off his music irrelevant while being a true MC who never really did those big numbers anyway then i unno what to tell ya..
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Jay Z is the exception, that shouldn't be used as a slight against other NY rappers. That's why I ask define felloff because Fabolous, 50 cent, Puffy, Nas, Jada, Raekwon, are still relevant to different varying degrees.
Jamaica;5311364 said:
I guess what he's saying is that Jay is the only artist that can go consistently platinum, at least for now. Puff ain't necessarily gonna pull a No Way Out from his hat anytime soon. Same with 50. Fab is still consistent, being that he was never really that successful anyway. With a good push he can drop a gold album, which are his usual numbers.
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Funny cuz last I check jay's last good album was the black album in 03. 50's last joint went gold and he just got a deal to do more movies. Nas newest sold well and lyrically beats jay so I don't see how jay didn't fall off. If anything he passed the torch
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