its almost 2011 and most rappers have yet to become rapper SLASH producers?

[ysl313]

^^^^^ This along with the lack of patience to learn. A shame too. Producer's and sound engineer's make a killing off the industry, rappers especially, I hear. They could save lots of money by learning it themselves. Along with make lots of money as well. As well as gain even more control over their sound.

my point exactly. engineers, producers, etc. end up making more the most rappers and artists and thats been a fact for many of years.

one artists story i see as the pave way for more rapper/producers was my nigga David Banner, whos aid he couldn't afford for cats to make him beats so he LEARNED how to make his own and gradually, through his love of music, began making producer quality songs. now he's mostly known as a producer but slowly became one through rapping.

i just feel, if you love hip hop and music that rapping should just be the first step and learning how to actually make everything your self and producer good beats.

but i understand the whole "not having the ear" part.

 

[G.R.I.P. Money $$$]

word, i agree wit banner, i cant afford to pay for beats and niggas round here charge high for boo boo quality, so i figured, if ima have average quality, ima at least get it for FREE lol..

 

[ysl313]

word, i agree wit banner, i cant afford to pay for beats and niggas round here charge high for boo boo quality, so i figured, if ima have average quality, ima at least get it for FREE lol..

lol exactly when it shows in quality that guys like pharrell, just blaze, and others are not just making beats for rappers but for singers, pop stars, and video games...clearly thats a lucrative business once you get involved. but even pharrell, who isn't a good rapper, has been able to cross between producer/rapping.

also, suprirsed more producers aren't rappers. eve if you aren't great you can be basic but have banging music. timberland, dr. dre, kanye, jcole, david banner, etc. out of those names only two would even get mentioned as dope emcees lyrically [kanye/j.cole] but all have rap albums and have production credits for songs they rapped off of.

it seems iek something that brings more legitimacy to a rappers name. being abe to produce and spit fire together.

 

[yaboytheflashh]

Yes it happens now . But only a handful of artist. What I am sayin is that if the genre as a whole would implement more instrumentation and musicianship along with the samples or maybe sometime without . The quality as a whole will rise .

outta the top 5 rap songs right now, only one of them has samples in it.

 

[yaboytheflashh]

I mean i tried to make my own beats and u know when something is for u and when something just isnt.... And That is not... Everytime i tried it started sounding all techno *shrugs*

smh at expecting to be making top notch quality beats 2 weeks deep

 

[Mrslim1]

outta the top 5 rap songs right now, only one of them has samples in it.

What are the top 5 songs right now ?

 

[yaboytheflashh]

What are the top 5 songs right now ?

no hands, right above it, aston martin music, right through me, black & yellow.

 

[Mrslim1]

no hands, right above it, aston martin music, right through me, black & yellow.

Alot of those sounds on those beats are sampled sounds . Maybe we are on a different page

 

[yaboytheflashh]

Alot of those sounds on those beats are sampled sounds . Maybe we are on a different page

other than aston martin music, all the other songs are made from scratch

 

[beerisgood4ya]

after hearing that beat lil wayne made, i guess some just dont have the ear, talent, the drive and knowledge to create beats....i heard jay z use to make beats before he started rapping, i guess he wasnt that good at it being that he stopped and start focusing more on rapping as his main craft....you hear alot of producers/beat makers say they use to rap but they sucked at it so they stopped and just focussed on rapping or something else involving music, i guess you just got to find what you love to do most with music, and have a passion for.....

 

[weezyfgarbage]

I can understand not being a producer, because it takes a LOT of time to get great at, but engineering isn't hard to learn...and it's lucrative as fuck if you wanna work beyond your own music.

 

[a.mann]

i mean, you'd think they would have learned how to make they own shit by now. with kanye, j.cole, eminem, and a few other smaking they own beats and spitting off them, you'd think itd be a lot more doing the same.

seems like the perfect creative way to make music by creating pretty much all of it by yourself.

The same reason Qunicy Jones never sing on his records

(figure I'll used him as an example seeing how so many claimed he is the standard of what hip hop music should strive to be )

 

[Mrslim1]

other than aston martin music, all the other songs are made from scratch

What I am sayin . Is that these beats and music where made with beat machines and sampled sounds. Its not like you can say " Derrick Hodge was on bass " or " Chris " Daddy" Dave was on drums ". Hip Hop as a whole doesnt have alot of instrumentation and musicianship.

 

[ysl313]

What I am sayin . Is that these beats and music where made with beat machines and sampled sounds. Its not like you can say " Derrick Hodge was on bass " or " Chris " Daddy" Dave was on drums ". Hip Hop as a whole doesnt have alot of instrumentation and musicianship.

check the sound credits more often, cats have outsiders play instruments now a days. elton john played the piano on kanye's new shit i think

 

[Mrslim1]

check the sound credits more often, cats have outsiders play instruments now a days. elton john played the piano on kanye's new shit i think

Yea but thats one song here and there from one or 2 producers . I am not sayin that it doesnt happen more often than before . But as a whole Hip Hop production is not composed music , like a Hod David would make. Just imagine if Hip Hop production has a whole was on par of the musicianship that the Roots would offer . Or musically on par with a Mint Condition but Hip Hop .

 

[ysl313]

Yea but thats one song here and there from one or 2 producers . I am not sayin that it doesnt happen more often than before . But as a whole Hip Hop production is not composed music , like a Hod David would make. Just imagine if Hip Hop production has a whole was on par of the musicianship that the Roots would offer . Or musically on par with a Mint Condition but Hip Hop .

bruh thats all good and dandy but in general, this genre makes amazing music with whats given. thats like telling a rock grup to use a preemo beat so they sound tough and urban

our genre is known for smaple flipping and rhymes. nly nw we actually do have guys who bring in orchestras, use famous bass/guitar players, piano players, etc. cause they can afford them now.

isn't like the music is awful and it isn't like nobody didn't ever have complete muscianship in hip hop, just in general, we focus on just making music that sounds good as a whole.

 

[Drgoo0285]

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right through me

 

[Mrslim1]

bruh thats all good and dandy but in general, this genre makes amazing music with whats given. thats like telling a rock grup to use a preemo beat so they sound tough and urban

our genre is known for smaple flipping and rhymes. nly nw we actually do have guys who bring in orchestras, use famous bass/guitar players, piano players, etc. cause they can afford them now.

isn't like the music is awful and it isn't like nobody didn't ever have complete muscianship in hip hop, just in general, we focus on just making music that sounds good as a whole.

I respect what you say . And Hip Hop has things that can only specific for Hip Hop . But if the talent level f the artist in the Hip Hop was brought up it would weed out alot of these talentless people trying to get in the game . The reason alot of people want to get in Hip Hop is because the music is easier to make . If if the talent pool and skill pool was higher throughout the genre , not just the Kanye's , Neptunes or Organized Noise of the genre . I guess I just ask more from my music . I like hearing baselines. chords harmonies etc . Not sayin that some Hip Hop production doesn't offer you that , however the best Hip Hop productions does . We are sayin the same thing really . I just wish the genre was flooded with more great musicians and artist not just rap niggas .

 

[ysl313]

I respect what you say . And Hip Hop has things that can only specific for Hip Hop . But if the talent level f the artist in the Hip Hop was brought up it would weed out alot of these talentless people trying to get in the game . The reason alot of people want to get in Hip Hop is because the music is easier to make . If if the talent pool and skill pool was higher throughout the genre , not just the Kanye's , Neptunes or Organized Noise of the genre . I guess I just ask more from my music . I like hearing baselines. chords harmonies etc . Not sayin that some Hip Hop production doesn't offer you that , however the best Hip Hop productions does . We are sayin the same thing really . I just wish the genre was flooded with more great musicians and artist not just rap niggas .

but thats the thing, every genre has low talented individuals but only the legit good ever get major acceptance and credit. it takes effort o come up with a verse say, pusha t made on "so appalled" literally billions of people on this earth just don't have the wherewithall and thought to be able to do that. same with making beats. some kids don't know how to FIND a sample, some dont have the patiences to listen until they know what they want, chop it, mess with it, and add sounds/drum kits/ and what not and make it soiund solid. So when you have some one who can write/rap well, make solid music as well, they imo are the pinnacle of hip hop. they are what all artists if they love the genre should be striving to be.

 

[Mrslim1]

but thats the thing, every genre has low talented individuals but only the legit good ever get major acceptance and credit. it takes effort o come up with a verse say, pusha t made on "so appalled" literally billions of people on this earth just don't have the wherewithall and thought to be able to do that. same with making beats. some kids don't know how to FIND a sample, some dont have the patiences to listen until they know what they want, chop it, mess with it, and add sounds/drum kits/ and what not and make it soiund solid. So when you have some one who can write/rap well, make solid music as well, they imo are the pinnacle of hip hop. they are what all artists if they love the genre should be striving to be.

But Pusha T is a borderline great rapper . And yes every genre has low talented individuals. But what we cant forget that Hip Hop is not just Hip Hop its Music. And music is so much more than trying to fit in your specific genre . Kanye maybe Hip Hop but he is respected for his musical ability. Lets take a artist like Donnie Hathaway , during his time we was considered and good artist but not to the level of Marvin Gaye or Curtis Mayfeild . But Donnie didnt only sing , he wrote songs and played instruments . The point I am making is that talent wise he knew the ins and out of music and put the work in to be great. If Hip Hop had more B.O.B's, artist you can actually see that have love for music as a whole and want thier music to transcend the genre because of the musical ablity he genre's level would be brought up.