Islam, Colourism and the Myth of Black African Slave Traders

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of that particular colonial, chattel slavery situation that existed between Africans and Europeans. We now believe nothing based on fact but rather men who tell us it's lies and trickery.

Servitude systems that existed in Africa, and in other indigenous communities can be compared to racist slave systems in the Western world and to this day we attempt to try to see this slavery in a different context. There is no difference but one, NO OTHER SLAVE SYSTEM has created the damaging cycle as the Atlantic Slave Trade. West Indian poet Derek Walcott has stated his feeling that our penchant for forgetting is a defense mechanism against pain, that if we were to take a good hard look at our history, at centuries of victimization, it would be too much for us to handle and we would explode. Well I say we are exploding anyway and in many cases from bombs that are our own. We have begun the long hard road of rewriting our ancient history, of rewording our old and noble legacy. Let us not stop and get cold feet now when the enemy now appears to take on a slightly darker hue. We must however separate the two and look at the slave trade in its OWN context, complete with all the historic and psychological peculiarities that have made it the single most damaging and enduring system of exploitation and hatred ever perpetrated in the recent memory of mankind. Until we do we will not escape its legacy.
 
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Also to clarify my stance on it, I don't think it was right either way. I'm not saying that Africans all the time knowingly sold them into slavery, but in certain cases they knew what they were selling them for.
People have to make the distinction between it. Africans didn't just grab random people out of their tribe and sell them, it was Prisoners of War, Criminals, those who refused tribal leaders, etc...

Those who were not the above and were sold into it, we're exchanged because they were tricked into believing that they were being taken to a paradise.

Then there are also cases such as King Ja Ja of Obopo who refused to give up anyone in return for goods, in which he was turned on and eventually sold into the slave trade by members of his own tribe.
 
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KTULU IS BACK;1439646 said:
Africans didn't have any concept of human rights. The white man invented that.

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I read it, and it does no justice. It is written from a nostalgic, opinionated, observational point of view. I am interested in just the facts of/inner workings of Slavery that existed within Africa amongst Africans. The structure, operation, treatment, etc. Opinions will take us nowhere. Im tired of seeing these comments of how Africans enslaved their own, every time slavery is mentioned, but no one seems to go beyond that.
 
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KTULU IS BACK;1439646 said:
The white man didn't have any concept of human rights. The African taught him that. Well, that is what my Greek ancestors say. I mean this was before they destroyed the libraries and stuff, you know.

Word, I feel you on that.
 
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Hyde Parke;1440670 said:
I read it, and it does no justice. It is written from a nostalgic, opinionated, observational point of view. I am interested in just the facts of/inner workings of Slavery that existed within Africa amongst Africans. The structure, operation, treatment, etc. Opinions will take us nowhere. Im tired of seeing these comments of how Africans enslaved their own, every time slavery is mentioned, but no one seems to go beyond that.

bro, I suggest u read medie evil work.....there are hundreds if not thousands of books written by afrikan scholars/philosophers/kings etc. If you want to get some insight/overview of slavery in afrika and asia, I suggest u check out ibn battuta's travel(and read a direct translation, not the old racist 19/20th century from french translated versions). Also ibn khaldoun wrote a lot about societies. There is more than enough work out there for u to check out....written by traders, travellers etc from 700 to 1400 +-. Just google some medie evil names, u will find their work easily.

Before/During/after mansa mousa/farga etc Mali was a place not only known for it's gold, but also for it's highly educated slaves, which they rarely traded. They did off course sell slaves for high prices....they had a huge slave industry, with different kinds of slave classes. There was a time that people from northern empires (morocco) traded french slaves for a malian slaves etc.

Don't romantisize shit bro. Fuck the assumptions.....
 
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Alkindus;1440890 said:
bro, I suggest u read medie evil work.....there are hundreds if not thousands of books written by afrikan scholars/philosophers/kings etc. If you want to get some insight/overview of slavery in afrika and asia, I suggest u check out ibn battuta's travel(and read a direct translation, not the old racist 19/20th century from french translated versions). Also ibn khaldoun wrote a lot about societies. There is more than enough work out there for u to check out....written by traders, travellers etc from 700 to 1400 +-. Just google some medie evil names, u will find their work easily.

Before/During/after mansa mousa/farga etc Mali was a place not only known for it's gold, but also for it's highly educated slaves, which they rarely traded. They did off course sell slaves for high prices....they had a huge slave industry, with different kinds of slave classes. There was a time that people from northern empires (morocco) traded french slaves for a malian slaves etc.

Don't romantisize shit bro. Fuck the assumptions.....

Hey, i know its out there. My point was to bring that information to the thread by those who continue to make reference of it without going in depth about it. I could have made this thread myself, but I am not the one making these subliminal statements about African slavery as if that some how lessons the blow received by Europeans. In other words, i am not the one who needs a lesson on this.lol, but i am always down for learning. I want those who make those claims, to come in here and back it up.
 
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Hyde Parke;1440952 said:
Hey, i know its out there. My point was to bring that information to the thread by those who continue to make reference of it without going in depth about it. I could have made this thread myself, but I am not the one making these subliminal statements about African slavery as if that some how lessons the blow received by Europeans. In other words, i am not the one who needs a lesson on this.lol, but i am always down for learning. I want those who make those claims, to come in here and back it up.

lol my bad man

*tries to sneak out of the room unnoticed*
 
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Alkindus;1440981 said:
lol my bad man

*tries to sneak out of the room unnoticed*

Its all good. this thread is a spin from a thread Ktulu made on 2012's avi. Besides him, its a few other posters will occasionally throw ot out there casually on how Africans enslaved each other, but they never go all the way into , or beyond it. So i said, hey someone needs to do a thread on it. Chozen made the thread, yet, its lacking alot of true content, and i have yet to see the others who make these claims come in here, even though there are multiple views. thats the backdrop. but hey, im going to check out battuta's travel, thats a new one to me.
 
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Alkindus;1440890 said:
bro, I suggest u read medie evil work.....there are hundreds if not thousands of books written by afrikan scholars/philosophers/kings etc. If you want to get some insight/overview of slavery in afrika and asia, I suggest u check out ibn battuta's travel(and read a direct translation, not the old racist 19/20th century from french translated versions). Also ibn khaldoun wrote a lot about societies. There is more than enough work out there for u to check out....written by traders, travellers etc from 700 to 1400 +-. Just google some medie evil names, u will find their work easily.

Before/During/after mansa mousa/farga etc Mali was a place not only known for it's gold, but also for it's highly educated slaves, which they rarely traded. They did off course sell slaves for high prices....they had a huge slave industry, with different kinds of slave classes. There was a time that people from northern empires (morocco) traded french slaves for a malian slaves etc.

Don't romantisize shit bro. Fuck the assumptions.....

Ibn Khaldun is a legend. Much respect.
 
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