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kingblaze84;7362294 said:Just when America's horrible plan to start a war in Syria couldn't get worse, now ISIS is making allies with the same rebels Obama wants to give money and weapons too. If the rebels can make peace with ISIS, then this clearly makes the war about taking down Assad (for the rebels). And we all know Assad and Iran are the only countries in the region with the balls to take on ISIS head on.
What is this war REALLY about?
FuriousOne;7362331 said:kingblaze84;7362294 said:Just when America's horrible plan to start a war in Syria couldn't get worse, now ISIS is making allies with the same rebels Obama wants to give money and weapons too. If the rebels can make peace with ISIS, then this clearly makes the war about taking down Assad (for the rebels). And we all know Assad and Iran are the only countries in the region with the balls to take on ISIS head on.
What is this war REALLY about?
I can understand their eagerness to get rid of a dictator. They are fooling themselves if they don't think that they are making friends with a worse enemy within ISIS. But then again, maybe they aren't as moderate as they claim, and they're willing to turn it up a notch and change their beliefs to suit ISIS. The Republicans pushed Obama to make such a foolish move. McCain should go back over there to patch things up. There is also Russia as a factor. There is no win in this particular engagement for America.
zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
zombie;7362657 said:kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
lean to read, I basically said that if isis takes syria, israel won't stand for it ISIS would be too much of a threat BEING SO CLOSE TO ISRAEL, and we can afford an invasion if we do what is needed. american soliders don't get proper treatment not because we cannot afford it but because there is incompetence in the system.
russia is not going to do a fucking thing except maybe loan weapons, iran would probably win against isis but that would only create more stress between sunni and shia in the mid-east. I personally would not advocate an invasion of saudi arabia simply because at least the state is organized and is a more stable society. I would however assassinate who ever funds groups like isis.
if we went to a total war in the mid east i believe many of the nations in the rest of the world would follow us it would affect their economies too much if they did not do so and if they don't after we win we can use the oil as a tool to punish them for their lack of support.
what is the alternative leave isis alone until they get stronger and eventually attack israel which is one of their goals. then when israel goes retaliates in the extreme way it is prone to do thereis more death and more destruction all of which the usa will share blame for no matter what we do or don't do.
kingblaze84;7363162 said:zombie;7362657 said:kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
lean to read, I basically said that if isis takes syria, israel won't stand for it ISIS would be too much of a threat BEING SO CLOSE TO ISRAEL, and we can afford an invasion if we do what is needed. american soliders don't get proper treatment not because we cannot afford it but because there is incompetence in the system.
russia is not going to do a fucking thing except maybe loan weapons, iran would probably win against isis but that would only create more stress between sunni and shia in the mid-east. I personally would not advocate an invasion of saudi arabia simply because at least the state is organized and is a more stable society. I would however assassinate who ever funds groups like isis.
if we went to a total war in the mid east i believe many of the nations in the rest of the world would follow us it would affect their economies too much if they did not do so and if they don't after we win we can use the oil as a tool to punish them for their lack of support.
what is the alternative leave isis alone until they get stronger and eventually attack israel which is one of their goals. then when israel goes retaliates in the extreme way it is prone to do thereis more death and more destruction all of which the usa will share blame for no matter what we do or don't do.
Wishful dreaming on your part, the powerful nations of the world want nothing to do with bombing ISIS right now. So what makes you think they would join a total war? You're too paranoid about ISIS, if Syria, Iran and Russia are already fighting and containing them, then there's no need to get involved. America not minding its own business is on its own making ISIS more popular, and the more involved America gets, the more popular ISIS is becoming. Don't take my word for it, this is what Middle Eastern experts are saying.
And if Israel can take on ISIS on its own, LET THEM. If Israel retaliates in an extreme way as you fear, then that's the result of America defending everything Israel does for the last 60 years. Of course America would get the blame for any atrocities Israel would commit, it gives Israel weapons and money all the time. Israel loves total war, that's what you want right? It's no different then America waging total war in the Middle East, America is known for its history of committing war crimes itself. So frankly, your strategy is EXACTLY what ISIS wants. ISIS just chopped off the head of a British hostage today, so your wishes of escalating the war will come true, only a matter of time.
You admit Iran and its Shia allies can beat ISIS and if that causes stress in the Shia-Sunni relationship, LET THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS HANDLE THAT. We can work with the winners, the way America does business with the corrupt, beheading loving Saudi Arabian govt.
kingblaze84;7363196 said:
n talks with US officials about the Islamic State this week, Israel has made clear that should the extremist group start operating in neighboring Jordan, it will not hesitate to act, Channel 2 reported Friday citing diplomatic sources
According to the report, Israel believes US airstrikes in Iraq have already yielded results on the ground, helping Kurdish forces make inroads in recapturing territory overtaken by the extremist group.
The TV report did not specify what actions Israel might take if Islamic State started impacting upon Jordan, but Israel is wary of its eastern neighbor being challenged by the brutal terror group, and would seek to guard against further inroads that would directly threaten Israel.
zombie;7363391 said:kingblaze84;7363162 said:zombie;7362657 said:kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
lean to read, I basically said that if isis takes syria, israel won't stand for it ISIS would be too much of a threat BEING SO CLOSE TO ISRAEL, and we can afford an invasion if we do what is needed. american soliders don't get proper treatment not because we cannot afford it but because there is incompetence in the system.
russia is not going to do a fucking thing except maybe loan weapons, iran would probably win against isis but that would only create more stress between sunni and shia in the mid-east. I personally would not advocate an invasion of saudi arabia simply because at least the state is organized and is a more stable society. I would however assassinate who ever funds groups like isis.
if we went to a total war in the mid east i believe many of the nations in the rest of the world would follow us it would affect their economies too much if they did not do so and if they don't after we win we can use the oil as a tool to punish them for their lack of support.
what is the alternative leave isis alone until they get stronger and eventually attack israel which is one of their goals. then when israel goes retaliates in the extreme way it is prone to do thereis more death and more destruction all of which the usa will share blame for no matter what we do or don't do.
Wishful dreaming on your part, the powerful nations of the world want nothing to do with bombing ISIS right now. So what makes you think they would join a total war? You're too paranoid about ISIS, if Syria, Iran and Russia are already fighting and containing them, then there's no need to get involved. America not minding its own business is on its own making ISIS more popular, and the more involved America gets, the more popular ISIS is becoming. Don't take my word for it, this is what Middle Eastern experts are saying.
And if Israel can take on ISIS on its own, LET THEM. If Israel retaliates in an extreme way as you fear, then that's the result of America defending everything Israel does for the last 60 years. Of course America would get the blame for any atrocities Israel would commit, it gives Israel weapons and money all the time. Israel loves total war, that's what you want right? It's no different then America waging total war in the Middle East, America is known for its history of committing war crimes itself. So frankly, your strategy is EXACTLY what ISIS wants. ISIS just chopped off the head of a British hostage today, so your wishes of escalating the war will come true, only a matter of time.
You admit Iran and its Shia allies can beat ISIS and if that causes stress in the Shia-Sunni relationship, LET THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS HANDLE THAT. We can work with the winners, the way America does business with the corrupt, beheading loving Saudi Arabian govt.
isis wants to fight, they want to bite more than they can chew we should give it to them they have to be utterly utterly defeated and humiliated. how many russian troops are in syria?? none as far as we know russia is not really doing a fucking thing russia is limited to eastern europe they don't get involved too deep anyplace else. and if it's anyone containing isis it's the usa they would have done genocide a few weeks ago if not for usa
yes we have been backing israel for 60 years it's too late to stop now if we can abandon such an ally then we can abandon anyone which would mean we lose respect worldwide. which means all the nations that depend on our power will increase there military spending out of fear that we are not dependable which could mean increased world wide tensions. and just to let you know israel has not gone to total war since it's founding.
you want to work with the winners??? are you crazy the winners would most likely be iran it's not in the interest of the usa for there to be a stronger iran.
listen there is no pussy way to deal with isis we have to kill them and keep killing people like them until no more exist.. they don't give a fuck what we do there objective is to rule it's like dealing with the borg resistance is futile that is the mindset of groups like isis
kingblaze84;7363455 said:zombie;7363391 said:kingblaze84;7363162 said:zombie;7362657 said:kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
lean to read, I basically said that if isis takes syria, israel won't stand for it ISIS would be too much of a threat BEING SO CLOSE TO ISRAEL, and we can afford an invasion if we do what is needed. american soliders don't get proper treatment not because we cannot afford it but because there is incompetence in the system.
russia is not going to do a fucking thing except maybe loan weapons, iran would probably win against isis but that would only create more stress between sunni and shia in the mid-east. I personally would not advocate an invasion of saudi arabia simply because at least the state is organized and is a more stable society. I would however assassinate who ever funds groups like isis.
if we went to a total war in the mid east i believe many of the nations in the rest of the world would follow us it would affect their economies too much if they did not do so and if they don't after we win we can use the oil as a tool to punish them for their lack of support.
what is the alternative leave isis alone until they get stronger and eventually attack israel which is one of their goals. then when israel goes retaliates in the extreme way it is prone to do thereis more death and more destruction all of which the usa will share blame for no matter what we do or don't do.
Wishful dreaming on your part, the powerful nations of the world want nothing to do with bombing ISIS right now. So what makes you think they would join a total war? You're too paranoid about ISIS, if Syria, Iran and Russia are already fighting and containing them, then there's no need to get involved. America not minding its own business is on its own making ISIS more popular, and the more involved America gets, the more popular ISIS is becoming. Don't take my word for it, this is what Middle Eastern experts are saying.
And if Israel can take on ISIS on its own, LET THEM. If Israel retaliates in an extreme way as you fear, then that's the result of America defending everything Israel does for the last 60 years. Of course America would get the blame for any atrocities Israel would commit, it gives Israel weapons and money all the time. Israel loves total war, that's what you want right? It's no different then America waging total war in the Middle East, America is known for its history of committing war crimes itself. So frankly, your strategy is EXACTLY what ISIS wants. ISIS just chopped off the head of a British hostage today, so your wishes of escalating the war will come true, only a matter of time.
You admit Iran and its Shia allies can beat ISIS and if that causes stress in the Shia-Sunni relationship, LET THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS HANDLE THAT. We can work with the winners, the way America does business with the corrupt, beheading loving Saudi Arabian govt.
isis wants to fight, they want to bite more than they can chew we should give it to them they have to be utterly utterly defeated and humiliated. how many russian troops are in syria?? none as far as we know russia is not really doing a fucking thing russia is limited to eastern europe they don't get involved too deep anyplace else. and if it's anyone containing isis it's the usa they would have done genocide a few weeks ago if not for usa
yes we have been backing israel for 60 years it's too late to stop now if we can abandon such an ally then we can abandon anyone which would mean we lose respect worldwide. which means all the nations that depend on our power will increase there military spending out of fear that we are not dependable which could mean increased world wide tensions. and just to let you know israel has not gone to total war since it's founding.
you want to work with the winners??? are you crazy the winners would most likely be iran it's not in the interest of the usa for there to be a stronger iran.
listen there is no pussy way to deal with isis we have to kill them and keep killing people like them until no more exist.. they don't give a fuck what we do there objective is to rule it's like dealing with the borg resistance is futile that is the mindset of groups like isis
Ahh, good old fashioned Dick Cheney thinking. Okay, I want to see what a war like this looks like. When things get messy, let's see how strong your resolve is. ISIS intimidates you quite easily I see. We've done over 160 air strikes to them, and the rest of the world does nothing. If Jordan and Turkey aren't too worried about ISIS overreaching, then we shouldn't be either. I'm not worried and nervous about ISIS the way you are, and most of the world isn't either. Why? BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SMART ENOUGH TO MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS
seems a LITTLE unfair, depending on what you call the region: Israel certainly does, but tends to have to sit this stuff out; countries like Jordan might not actually have the muscle to project that level of force; countries like Egypt probably would take on ISIS, no problem, depending on the specifics. in turn, Assad wouldn't be doing shit if this wasn't happening IN Syria.kingblaze84;7362294 said:And we all know Assad and Iran are the only countries in the region with the balls to take on ISIS head on.
this is not Obama caving to Republicans; this is either Obama caving it to people in his administration or Obama playing politics. hell, the only non-interventionists in Congress (right or wrong) seem to be Republicans.kingblaze84;7362486 said:I agree but why did Obama have to cave in to the Republicans? Obama should take a hint that most of the rest of the world doesn't want to get involved in this mess. Neither Israel, Britain, Germany, or Turkey want to do airstrikes in that region, shouldn't that give Obama a hint that MAYBE the Middle East needs to settle this civil war for itself?
Jordan is certainly worried about ISIS, which is why they use their intelligence operations to assist the US in times like these. come on, now. Turkey's just being prickly because they're right in the neighborhood, and maybe that's a more legitimate sign of concern, but i doubt they're not worried about ISIS on any level.kingblaze84;7363455 said:If Jordan and Turkey aren't too worried about ISIS overreaching, then we shouldn't be either. I'm not worried and nervous about ISIS the way you are, and most of the world isn't either. Why? BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SMART ENOUGH TO MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS
kingblaze84;7363196 said:
leftcoastkev;7364190 said:kingblaze84;7363196 said:
The shit is fraud as hell. Our bi-weekly propaganda programming. What is this guy, reading off cue cards? Or did he remember all this under duress when his life is about to end. At least this time, there is more blood spatter on the surrounding ground to make it more believable.
Ironically, look at the small mushroom shaped rock on the bottom right of the screen and the small patch of grass on the top right. They are in the exact same place between the beheading and the threat of the second. What are they doing, standing directly on top of the body in the threat of the second....
Until next week....another head will roll off with the latest programming of what were supposed the think. Maybe next time they'll step it up and actually show us the head coming off.
Here's another link:
http://leaksource.info/2014/09/13/g...tate-beheads-british-aid-worker-david-haines/
zombie;7363477 said:kingblaze84;7363455 said:zombie;7363391 said:kingblaze84;7363162 said:zombie;7362657 said:kingblaze84;7362492 said:zombie;7362363 said:the only way to fix all these problems in the middle east is total invasion and total war followed by with a long term occupation. isis taking over syria would be a horror no one trust america over there so we can have no allies nor should we back anyone that is not under our direct control.
syria borders with israel and i don't think israel is going to stand for any of that bullshit if isis takes syria shit is going to get worse and the risk that it's only going to spread.
Fuck no, you still think your disastrous plan is a good idea? If Israel doesn't want to stand for this, then why aren't they committing to air strikes against ISIS??!! Fuck Israel and fuck your plan, we can't afford it. Soldiers in the VA are going years without treatment, and you want a total war the rest of the world doesn't want. Let Assad, Russia, and Iran fight this, and by the way, Saudi Arabia beheads people and has people that support terror too, should we go to war against them?
lean to read, I basically said that if isis takes syria, israel won't stand for it ISIS would be too much of a threat BEING SO CLOSE TO ISRAEL, and we can afford an invasion if we do what is needed. american soliders don't get proper treatment not because we cannot afford it but because there is incompetence in the system.
russia is not going to do a fucking thing except maybe loan weapons, iran would probably win against isis but that would only create more stress between sunni and shia in the mid-east. I personally would not advocate an invasion of saudi arabia simply because at least the state is organized and is a more stable society. I would however assassinate who ever funds groups like isis.
if we went to a total war in the mid east i believe many of the nations in the rest of the world would follow us it would affect their economies too much if they did not do so and if they don't after we win we can use the oil as a tool to punish them for their lack of support.
what is the alternative leave isis alone until they get stronger and eventually attack israel which is one of their goals. then when israel goes retaliates in the extreme way it is prone to do thereis more death and more destruction all of which the usa will share blame for no matter what we do or don't do.
Wishful dreaming on your part, the powerful nations of the world want nothing to do with bombing ISIS right now. So what makes you think they would join a total war? You're too paranoid about ISIS, if Syria, Iran and Russia are already fighting and containing them, then there's no need to get involved. America not minding its own business is on its own making ISIS more popular, and the more involved America gets, the more popular ISIS is becoming. Don't take my word for it, this is what Middle Eastern experts are saying.
And if Israel can take on ISIS on its own, LET THEM. If Israel retaliates in an extreme way as you fear, then that's the result of America defending everything Israel does for the last 60 years. Of course America would get the blame for any atrocities Israel would commit, it gives Israel weapons and money all the time. Israel loves total war, that's what you want right? It's no different then America waging total war in the Middle East, America is known for its history of committing war crimes itself. So frankly, your strategy is EXACTLY what ISIS wants. ISIS just chopped off the head of a British hostage today, so your wishes of escalating the war will come true, only a matter of time.
You admit Iran and its Shia allies can beat ISIS and if that causes stress in the Shia-Sunni relationship, LET THOSE MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS HANDLE THAT. We can work with the winners, the way America does business with the corrupt, beheading loving Saudi Arabian govt.
isis wants to fight, they want to bite more than they can chew we should give it to them they have to be utterly utterly defeated and humiliated. how many russian troops are in syria?? none as far as we know russia is not really doing a fucking thing russia is limited to eastern europe they don't get involved too deep anyplace else. and if it's anyone containing isis it's the usa they would have done genocide a few weeks ago if not for usa
yes we have been backing israel for 60 years it's too late to stop now if we can abandon such an ally then we can abandon anyone which would mean we lose respect worldwide. which means all the nations that depend on our power will increase there military spending out of fear that we are not dependable which could mean increased world wide tensions. and just to let you know israel has not gone to total war since it's founding.
you want to work with the winners??? are you crazy the winners would most likely be iran it's not in the interest of the usa for there to be a stronger iran.
listen there is no pussy way to deal with isis we have to kill them and keep killing people like them until no more exist.. they don't give a fuck what we do there objective is to rule it's like dealing with the borg resistance is futile that is the mindset of groups like isis
Ahh, good old fashioned Dick Cheney thinking. Okay, I want to see what a war like this looks like. When things get messy, let's see how strong your resolve is. ISIS intimidates you quite easily I see. We've done over 160 air strikes to them, and the rest of the world does nothing. If Jordan and Turkey aren't too worried about ISIS overreaching, then we shouldn't be either. I'm not worried and nervous about ISIS the way you are, and most of the world isn't either. Why? BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SMART ENOUGH TO MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS
You still don't get it it's not what isis is now it's what they will become if we don't stop them, the rest of the world is not worried because we are here and they know that when push comes to shove we will deal with the problem. turkey has a real powerful army so they don't have to be worried about isis right now jordan needs to worry
janklow;7363742 said:seems a LITTLE unfair, depending on what you call the region: Israel certainly does, but tends to have to sit this stuff out; countries like Jordan might not actually have the muscle to project that level of force; countries like Egypt probably would take on ISIS, no problem, depending on the specifics. in turn, Assad wouldn't be doing shit if this wasn't happening IN Syria.kingblaze84;7362294 said:And we all know Assad and Iran are the only countries in the region with the balls to take on ISIS head on.
this is not Obama caving to Republicans; this is either Obama caving it to people in his administration or Obama playing politics. hell, the only non-interventionists in Congress (right or wrong) seem to be Republicans.kingblaze84;7362486 said:I agree but why did Obama have to cave in to the Republicans? Obama should take a hint that most of the rest of the world doesn't want to get involved in this mess. Neither Israel, Britain, Germany, or Turkey want to do airstrikes in that region, shouldn't that give Obama a hint that MAYBE the Middle East needs to settle this civil war for itself?
also... considering Israel has literally conducted airstrikes in Syria during this conflict, it's likely they're not 100% anti-airstrike.
and look, whatever you think of foreign policy and Middle Eastern stuff and all the rest, if your position is "they cut off a hostage's head, so we should sit this out," it's about as weak of a position as it gets.
Jordan is certainly worried about ISIS, which is why they use their intelligence operations to assist the US in times like these. come on, now. Turkey's just being prickly because they're right in the neighborhood, and maybe that's a more legitimate sign of concern, but i doubt they're not worried about ISIS on any level.kingblaze84;7363455 said:If Jordan and Turkey aren't too worried about ISIS overreaching, then we shouldn't be either. I'm not worried and nervous about ISIS the way you are, and most of the world isn't either. Why? BECAUSE THE REST OF THE WORLD IS SMART ENOUGH TO MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS
also, i really don't the "REST OF THE WORLD IS SMART ENOUGH TO MIND THEIR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS" thing when there's a limited amount of countries that COULD do a damn thing if they wanted to.
