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Shizlansky;8933799 said:BlackAX410;8933767 said:Shizlansky;8933743 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933657 said:Shizlansky;8933524 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933465 said:NothingButTheTruth;8933269 said:PanchoYoSancho;8927459 said:dc's teflondon;8927434 said:Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment shit? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lol
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
Peezy_Jenkins;8934120 said:Shizlansky;8933799 said:BlackAX410;8933767 said:Shizlansky;8933743 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933657 said:Shizlansky;8933524 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933465 said:NothingButTheTruth;8933269 said:PanchoYoSancho;8927459 said:dc's teflondon;8927434 said:Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment shit? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lol
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
contrary to popular belief, its a team game.
Peezy_Jenkins;8934120 said:Shizlansky;8933799 said:BlackAX410;8933767 said:Shizlansky;8933743 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933657 said:Shizlansky;8933524 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933465 said:NothingButTheTruth;8933269 said:PanchoYoSancho;8927459 said:dc's teflondon;8927434 said:Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment shit? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lol
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
contrary to popular belief, its a team game.
Shizlansky;8933799 said:BlackAX410;8933767 said:Shizlansky;8933743 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933657 said:Shizlansky;8933524 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933465 said:NothingButTheTruth;8933269 said:PanchoYoSancho;8927459 said:dc's teflondon;8927434 said:Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment shit? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lol
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
Shizlansky;8933799 said:BlackAX410;8933767 said:Shizlansky;8933743 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933657 said:Shizlansky;8933524 said:PanchoYoSancho;8933465 said:NothingButTheTruth;8933269 said:PanchoYoSancho;8927459 said:dc's teflondon;8927434 said:Guess Joe Johnson going to get in too...he got more career points and was a 7 time all star...why be hard for T-Mac to get in
You can't be serious. T-Mac at his peak was a superstar and arguable top 6-7 player. Joe Johnson was never top 10. Doesn't matter how long he played.
What is this back-handed compliment shit? T-Mac was arguably THE BEST player in the league, and a definite top 5 player in his prime.
I said top 6-7, you said top 5 and you're mad? lol
I'm talking about over the course of his prime which was from 2000-2006 . Duncan, Kobe and Shaq were better. Kidd, A.I. and Dirk were all as good if not better. The only season I would put him as top 5 and maybe even top 3 was 02-03 when he was leading the league in scoring and shooting a career high 45.7% Even then, his team was 42-40 (39-36 with him on the floor) and barely made the playoffs in the sorry East.
So TMac was putting up empty stats?
Damn. He got that Kevin Love type win-lose record.
I wouldn't go that far. He never played with a legit all-star til Yao in Houston. His 2nd and 3rd options were Mike Miller and Darrell Armstrong and his teams still had winning records until his last season when they were trash. That's when Grant Hill started having those Gumby ankles and never saw the court.
But the east was ultra weak when he was on the magic.
That type of record in the west would have had you in the lottery.
So Armstrong, Mike miller, pat Garrity and Andrew declerq is a formidable starting lineup to you?
What does that have to do with what I was saying
LBJ had terrible team and went to the finals
If you're a top 2 player win at least 1 playoff series.
natural born sinners;8934984 said:T-mac shouldn't get in, dude was just a scorer. No defense, didn't seem to make his teammates better, dude was str8 lazy w/o the ball. Never got out the 1st round..unless u count that chip w the spurs
Beta;8935062 said:natural born sinners;8934984 said:T-mac shouldn't get in, dude was just a scorer. No defense, didn't seem to make his teammates better, dude was str8 lazy w/o the ball. Never got out the 1st round..unless u count that chip w the spurs
He didn't win a ring with the spurs. They lost because he was on the squad
PanchoYoSancho;8939107 said:Chris Mullin and Alonzo Mourning can get in, but T-Mac can't? Not saying they weren't deserving, but T-Mac was just as good if not better than they were. He shouldn't be 1st ballot, but he should get in a few years down the line.
Shizlansky;8939213 said:PanchoYoSancho;8939107 said:Chris Mullin and Alonzo Mourning can get in, but T-Mac can't? Not saying they weren't deserving, but T-Mac was just as good if not better than they were. He shouldn't be 1st ballot, but he should get in a few years down the line.
They had great college careers too. All that factor in for the HOF in basketball.
BDBIID;8920704 said:If Yao is Mac is.
Gonna penalize one because he an American?
Peezy_Jenkins;8934441 said:from 01-08, t-mac avg 26.1 ppg
thats just above avg? what would be good and great then?