Is this the future of America? City of Scranton lowers wage for all city workers to minimum wage

[janklow]

I do support ending the Bush era tax cuts completely, for all Americans, since it does contribute to the huge deficit.

i will grant that this has typically been your position; i'm not saying otherwise.

But a tax increase on the rich only is perfectly fine by me. It won't make a big difference to the already huge deficit, but it will add new revenue that can help states.

stop right there, because you're being fooled. if it doesn't make a big difference to the deficit, it's not adding new revenues that will help states, it's simply making a slight dent in the deficit. to spend to help states, you STILL borrow the revenue. and you don't need to raise taxes to the rich to just borrow the money.

We agree that ending the Bush tax cuts on the rich can add tens of billions to govt budgets, so why not do it?

i never said don't do it. i say be honest about what it does (not much) and why you're doing it (political maneuvering).

Many cities are bankrupt, why not raise tens of billions of dollars to help bail out the places that need it???????

because again, you're not raising tens of billions of dollars to bail out cities, you're simply cutting slightly the amount of deficit spending you're doing. cutting spending for THAT reason is fine. pretending it's a choice between not taxing the rich and bailing out cities as if it's not deficit spending either way is not.

 

[heyslick]

People like to identify with "the winning team" notice how many Miami Heat or New York Giants fans there will be this year. These people could live in jackoff, Utah but will try to be a bandwagon fan while the team is winning.

Its the same with politics. They can't win themselves so they live vicariously through the millionaires. The idea is the same.

When the Heat come to Detroit they want to beat my Pistons (not to hard to do by the way) but if I'm a bandwagon riding fan, I'll cheer against my own team. In politics people cheer against their own team all the time. Supporting millionaires, making it easier for them to make money by using shady habits over demanding these assholes make it easier for EVERYBODY.

Eric Holder was right when he called America a "nation of cowards" too.

Most are too scary to stand up to big money interests...and it shows in the politicians. Soon (very soon) there will be an entire generation of gutless snobs running this country and then it will really be shot to hell. The Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul types are getting old, they can't fight for you forever. But nobody is ballsy enough to be their heir apparent.

so true. So damn true.

If I'm mistaken? I'll admit-it and apoloize. The attorney general didn't say anything about were a nation of cowards regarding those points you put forth....period! He said were a nation of cowards when it comes to dicussing race/relations issues in this country. IMO he is RIGHT ON! & I see it every single day within this site,SO who's the cowards? Y is it so many like to dish it out but when the shoe is on the other foot - guess who avoids said issues, or can't stand the heat?

kingblazer disregard my reply

 

[heyslick]

People like to identify with "the winning team" notice how many Miami Heat or New York Giants fans there will be this year. These people could live in jackoff, Utah but will try to be a bandwagon fan while the team is winning.

Its the same with politics. They can't win themselves so they live vicariously through the millionaires. The idea is the same.

When the Heat come to Detroit they want to beat my Pistons (not to hard to do by the way) but if I'm a bandwagon riding fan, I'll cheer against my own team. In politics people cheer against their own team all the time. Supporting millionaires, making it easier for them to make money by using shady habits over demanding these assholes make it easier for EVERYBODY.

Eric Holder was right when he called America a "nation of cowards" too.

Most are too scary to stand up to big money interests...and it shows in the politicians. Soon (very soon) there will be an entire generation of gutless snobs running this country and then it will really be shot to hell. The Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul types are getting old, they can't fight for you forever. But nobody is ballsy enough to be their heir apparent.

so true. So damn true.

Here you go mister/ms Wild Self

 

[kingblaze84]

I do support ending the Bush era tax cuts completely, for all Americans, since it does contribute to the huge deficit.

i will grant that this has typically been your position; i'm not saying otherwise.

But a tax increase on the rich only is perfectly fine by me. It won't make a big difference to the already huge deficit, but it will add new revenue that can help states.

stop right there, because you're being fooled. if it doesn't make a big difference to the deficit, it's not adding new revenues that will help states, it's simply making a slight dent in the deficit. to spend to help states, you STILL borrow the revenue. and you don't need to raise taxes to the rich to just borrow the money.

We agree that ending the Bush tax cuts on the rich can add tens of billions to govt budgets, so why not do it?

i never said don't do it. i say be honest about what it does (not much) and why you're doing it (political maneuvering).

Many cities are bankrupt, why not raise tens of billions of dollars to help bail out the places that need it???????

because again, you're not raising tens of billions of dollars to bail out cities, you're simply cutting slightly the amount of deficit spending you're doing. cutting spending for THAT reason is fine. pretending it's a choice between not taxing the rich and bailing out cities as if it's not deficit spending either way is not.

I understand what you're saying but at this point, if the Bush tax cuts can lower the deficit, even by a little bit, it's still worth doing. After all, that's what we have to do right? And not all the money has to be used to pay down the debt. Some of it can be used to bail out states, and yes seeing how govt borrows all the time, it's still a net plus in that govt can borrow LESS compared to the reckless abandon we're doing now......

 

[kingblaze84]

People like to identify with "the winning team" notice how many Miami Heat or New York Giants fans there will be this year. These people could live in jackoff, Utah but will try to be a bandwagon fan while the team is winning.

Its the same with politics. They can't win themselves so they live vicariously through the millionaires. The idea is the same.

When the Heat come to Detroit they want to beat my Pistons (not to hard to do by the way) but if I'm a bandwagon riding fan, I'll cheer against my own team. In politics people cheer against their own team all the time. Supporting millionaires, making it easier for them to make money by using shady habits over demanding these assholes make it easier for EVERYBODY.

Eric Holder was right when he called America a "nation of cowards" too.

Most are too scary to stand up to big money interests...and it shows in the politicians. Soon (very soon) there will be an entire generation of gutless snobs running this country and then it will really be shot to hell. The Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul types are getting old, they can't fight for you forever. But nobody is ballsy enough to be their heir apparent.

so true. So damn true.

If I'm mistaken? I'll admit-it and apoloize. The attorney general didn't say anything about were a nation of cowards regarding those points you put forth....period! He said were a nation of cowards when it comes to dicussing race/relations issues in this country. IMO he is RIGHT ON! & I see it every single day within this site,SO who's the cowards? Y is it so many like to dish it out but when the shoe is on the other foot - guess who avoids said issues, or can't stand the heat?

kingblazer disregard my reply

What issues are Black people or anyone else avoiding on this site?? I see people here being blunt and honest for the most part on all issues so what are you talking about

 

[heyslick]

People like to identify with "the winning team" notice how many Miami Heat or New York Giants fans there will be this year. These people could live in jackoff, Utah but will try to be a bandwagon fan while the team is winning.

Its the same with politics. They can't win themselves so they live vicariously through the millionaires. The idea is the same.

When the Heat come to Detroit they want to beat my Pistons (not to hard to do by the way) but if I'm a bandwagon riding fan, I'll cheer against my own team. In politics people cheer against their own team all the time. Supporting millionaires, making it easier for them to make money by using shady habits over demanding these assholes make it easier for EVERYBODY.

Eric Holder was right when he called America a "nation of cowards" too.

Most are too scary to stand up to big money interests...and it shows in the politicians. Soon (very soon) there will be an entire generation of gutless snobs running this country and then it will really be shot to hell. The Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul types are getting old, they can't fight for you forever. But nobody is ballsy enough to be their heir apparent.

so true. So damn true.

If I'm mistaken? I'll admit-it and apoloize. The attorney general didn't say anything about were a nation of cowards regarding those points you put forth....period! He said were a nation of cowards when it comes to dicussing race/relations issues in this country. IMO he is RIGHT ON! & I see it every single day within this site,SO who's the cowards? Y is it so many like to dish it out but when the shoe is on the other foot - guess who avoids said issues, or can't stand the heat?

kingblazer disregard my reply

What issues are Black people or anyone else avoiding on this site?? I see people here being blunt and honest for the most part on all issues so what are you talking about

SURE they are - whenever the conversation/subject is going in their favor. Don't hand me that malarkey about fairness when you know damn well that isn't true. I know for a fact you and others don't wanna EVER talk about direct issues that affect you and yours...period. CRIME and who the real perpetrators are and having all these babies & the destruction of many major cities within this country....because of POOR leadership & outright corruption.

BTW you're that greatest at avoiding certain topics and you love to divert off to what those supposedly wick white people have done world wide & of course that avoids the real issue again as usual - BLACKs are far from perfect and they play the game using there skin color or if the topic hits home - they cry out and claim said person is a racist, bigot or worse. So now you tell who the real cowards are - IE if you have the courage. BTW I'm still wondering Y whenever I have contact with that random black person they don't get all brave and spew the same shit to my face as so many have done within this site OH! me forgot your hiding behind that monitor.

 

[kingblaze84]

People like to identify with "the winning team" notice how many Miami Heat or New York Giants fans there will be this year. These people could live in jackoff, Utah but will try to be a bandwagon fan while the team is winning.

Its the same with politics. They can't win themselves so they live vicariously through the millionaires. The idea is the same.

When the Heat come to Detroit they want to beat my Pistons (not to hard to do by the way) but if I'm a bandwagon riding fan, I'll cheer against my own team. In politics people cheer against their own team all the time. Supporting millionaires, making it easier for them to make money by using shady habits over demanding these assholes make it easier for EVERYBODY.

Eric Holder was right when he called America a "nation of cowards" too.

Most are too scary to stand up to big money interests...and it shows in the politicians. Soon (very soon) there will be an entire generation of gutless snobs running this country and then it will really be shot to hell. The Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul types are getting old, they can't fight for you forever. But nobody is ballsy enough to be their heir apparent.

so true. So damn true.

If I'm mistaken? I'll admit-it and apoloize. The attorney general didn't say anything about were a nation of cowards regarding those points you put forth....period! He said were a nation of cowards when it comes to dicussing race/relations issues in this country. IMO he is RIGHT ON! & I see it every single day within this site,SO who's the cowards? Y is it so many like to dish it out but when the shoe is on the other foot - guess who avoids said issues, or can't stand the heat?

kingblazer disregard my reply

What issues are Black people or anyone else avoiding on this site?? I see people here being blunt and honest for the most part on all issues so what are you talking about

SURE they are - whenever the conversation/subject is going in their favor. Don't hand me that malarkey about fairness when you know damn well that isn't true. I know for a fact you and others don't wanna EVER talk about direct issues that affect you and yours...period. CRIME and who the real perpetrators are and having all these babies & the destruction of many major cities within this country....because of POOR leadership & outright corruption.

BTW you're that greatest at avoiding certain topics and you love to divert off to what those supposedly wick white people have done world wide & of course that avoids the real issue again as usual - BLACKs are far from perfect and they play the game using there skin color or if the topic hits home - they cry out and claim said person is a racist, bigot or worse. So now you tell who the real cowards are - IE if you have the courage. BTW I'm still wondering Y whenever I have contact with that random black person they don't get all brave and spew the same shit to my face as so many have done within this site OH! me forgot your hiding behind that monitor.

Okay, if you wana go there, that's fine.....

On some points I do agree with you. Some Black people that are poor are having too many kids, which is a problem worldwide. Overpopulation isn't the main issue of American poverty though, although poor people having too many kids is one of many issues causing poverty in Black areas. But when bailouts are given to the rich and wealthy (mostly White people with connections to middle class), OF COURSE poverty numbers will look worse for Black people compared to White people. White people have been given more forms of welfare and govt assistance in history compared to Black folk, ya'll got a head start in so many ways so I'm shocked you would even bring up Black poverty in this thread. If you really wana go there, you've just opened up yourself a can of worms.

There IS though, a culture among some Blacks that education is a waste of time, and YES that must change. African immigrants and Caribbean immigrants and their descendants who came to America tend to do better in school test scores compared to African American kids. I saw this first hand growing up in private and public schools. Why that culture exists among some Blacks here? Good question, I suspect many poor parents being too busy working and worrying about paying bills than education. And also an apathetic culture that comes from years of slavery and being put down has done some serious mental damage to many African Americans, and this exists in foreign Black nations too. Black people also get too comfortable too easily, a worldwide problem as well.

I never once have said Blacks are perfect, we do have flaws but every other people do as well. But there are reasons for that and outside factors that have compounded the problem. If it bothers you that European and White people in positions of power made the problem worse, sorry, but it is what it is. I don't hate or dislike White people, but I gotta keep it real with myself and the world. You know what I am saying is true, if you don't read a history book or go to college.

 

[janklow]

I understand what you're saying but at this point, if the Bush tax cuts can lower the deficit, even by a little bit, it's still worth doing.

to repeat myself, "i will settle for "we can raise these taxes if we don't pretend it's a real accomplishment."" my major objection to it is the pretending that this is DOING SOMETHING SERIOUS about the deficit.

After all, that's what we have to do right? And not all the money has to be used to pay down the debt. Some of it can be used to bail out states, and yes seeing how govt borrows all the time, it's still a net plus in that govt can borrow LESS compared to the reckless abandon we're doing now......

this is where i point out your contradiction: you tell me the tax cuts you want to remove will reduce the deficit by SOMETHING (true) and then that since we borrow all the time, we can use the money to bail out states instead of paying down the deficit. however, if you're arguing to me that ending the tax cuts is for the purposes of addressing the deficit, you're essentially lying to me about what you want to end the cuts for so that you can actually spend in the manner that you want.

 

[kingblaze84]

I understand what you're saying but at this point, if the Bush tax cuts can lower the deficit, even by a little bit, it's still worth doing.

to repeat myself, "i will settle for "we can raise these taxes if we don't pretend it's a real accomplishment."" my major objection to it is the pretending that this is DOING SOMETHING SERIOUS about the deficit.

After all, that's what we have to do right? And not all the money has to be used to pay down the debt. Some of it can be used to bail out states, and yes seeing how govt borrows all the time, it's still a net plus in that govt can borrow LESS compared to the reckless abandon we're doing now......

this is where i point out your contradiction: you tell me the tax cuts you want to remove will reduce the deficit by SOMETHING (true) and then that since we borrow all the time, we can use the money to bail out states instead of paying down the deficit. however, if you're arguing to me that ending the tax cuts is for the purposes of addressing the deficit, you're essentially lying to me about what you want to end the cuts for so that you can actually spend in the manner that you want.

To say ending the Bush tax cuts is not a real accomplishment is very harsh, adding tens of billions of dollars into the economy wouldn't put a huge dent in the deficit true, but it would still be very helpful. If I haven't been clear, let me be clear now, I would prefer to use most of the money to pay down the deficit, but SOME of it can be used to bail out states and local governments. Is that clear enough?

 

[janklow]

To say ending the Bush tax cuts is not a real accomplishment is very harsh, adding tens of billions of dollars into the economy-

i'm being harsh because it's being kicked around like it's something that's SERIOUSLY ADDRESSING THE DEFICIT, which is absolutely crap. every little bit helps, but every little bit isn't some grand achievement. and when you pair it with the fact that it's absolutely being thrown out there pre-election for obvious reasons... pardon me if i am not excited.

also, i don't know how taxing the rich more "adds tens of billions of dollars in the economy" like you're implying, but maybe i am missing something here

 

[janklow]

-wouldn't put a huge dent in the deficit true, but it would still be very helpful.

then let's just say that?

If I haven't been clear, let me be clear now, I would prefer to use most of the money to pay down the deficit, but SOME of it can be used to bail out states and local governments. Is that clear enough?

if i have not been clear, let me be clear now: you CANNOT tell me the tax cuts are meant to address deficit reduction if you turn around and spend borrowed money on something else. if you want to tell me you'd RATHER spend borrowed money that way, cool, tell me that. now, i grant that you're not the one out selling this as the Democratic Party platform, so i don't mean to be that harsh regarding YOUR personal position (which i think i understand).

 

[Thinking]

So bottom line, we're fucked. Prove me wrong.

 

[Aquafina..floe]

That's fuckef up

 

[janklow]

So bottom line, we're fucked. Prove me wrong.

on a long enough scale this is certainly true

 

[kingblaze84]

So bottom line, we're fucked. Prove me wrong.

Sad but yeah you're right, that's why I don't want any kids. It's crazy seeing so many people I know being desperate enough to run drugs or their bodies but with the economy the way it is I don't blame them. The worst part of this is that low wage jobs are the future of America for the most part, most new jobs being created are low wage. The middle class is being dismantled in front of our very eyes, and our debt is eating this nation alive. America's best days are behind us forever.

 

[kingblaze84]

-wouldn't put a huge dent in the deficit true, but it would still be very helpful.

then let's just say that?

If I haven't been clear, let me be clear now, I would prefer to use most of the money to pay down the deficit, but SOME of it can be used to bail out states and local governments. Is that clear enough?

if i have not been clear, let me be clear now: you CANNOT tell me the tax cuts are meant to address deficit reduction if you turn around and spend borrowed money on something else. if you want to tell me you'd RATHER spend borrowed money that way, cool, tell me that. now, i grant that you're not the one out selling this as the Democratic Party platform, so i don't mean to be that harsh regarding YOUR personal position (which i think i understand).

Ok we can come to an agreement here. How do you think America can increase it's revenues and pay down the debt in a serious way at the same time?

 

[janklow]

Ok we can come to an agreement here. How do you think America can increase it's revenues and pay down the debt in a serious way at the same time?

-address the long-term issues of things like Social Security;

-remove an appropriate amount of tax cuts/credits/whatever to raise revenue;

-spend less fucking money (i guess we should only fight wars we NEED to for right now);

-do not immediately give away money we've saved with tax cuts or other crazy spending;

-maybe sell New Jersey? no one would miss it

 

[Thinking]

Change our currency to love, what really matters in life.

 

[heyslick]

If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.

 

[kingblaze84]

Ok we can come to an agreement here. How do you think America can increase it's revenues and pay down the debt in a serious way at the same time?

-address the long-term issues of things like Social Security;

-remove an appropriate amount of tax cuts/credits/whatever to raise revenue;

-spend less fucking money (i guess we should only fight wars we NEED to for right now);

-do not immediately give away money we've saved with tax cuts or other crazy spending;

-maybe sell New Jersey? no one would miss it

I sympathize with everything you've said, but what's your beef with Jersey? It produced The Sopranos and Shaq, it's not that bad a state. Makes a ton of money too for a state its size.

And if social security is touched by any politician, that politician's career is over. ESPECIALLY while Wall Street gets bailed out with trillions, social security cuts will be looked upon as evil by most of the population. This is why I get the logic behind cutting social security, but not while big banks get wild bailouts and everyone else gets crumbs. When the 99% get trillions of dollars in bailouts, THAN I will support cutting social security.