achewon87;4671135 said:
I strongly disagree.Like I said it's intent.if your just in it for the bread following trends with no artistry of yourself you are not real hip hop to me.
And a lot of those guys who are wack you may be talking about go out of their way to not be called hip hop like Pimp C and Waka who basically say fuck hip hop
RIP Pimp but, that ain't hip hop having the attitude of fuck hip hop
If you don't respect the craft and the history you are not hip hop to me.Your into rap(not you personally)
That primo interview is the truth
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loch121;4672880 said:
I see what you mean! Freddie Foxx even said that he loves when the new up and coming artists come to him or others with questions, because they know Bumpy, Preme, and many other legends would know exactly whats going on in the game. When these artists don't show appreciation of the legends in the game saying that "they are past their prime" yet sign their lives away on these record label's contracts, that indicates that they don't have appreciation for the art that they represent and are in it for the money. And Waka Flocka, lol, haha....man you should've never used him as an example. IMO he's the new generation Stepin Fetchit, he don't even talk right in his interviews. Those record labels sure know how to pick them....
Oh BTW, that is me on the comments saying "I could see Waka Flocka working at Good Burger!"
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Lol @ the Common Sense reference. I really don't think Sweet was one of the best records of last year either :/
Nice article @Traestar , props on the drop. As for my opinion, well, I largely agree with your second post.
I don't necessarily condemn an artist upon the moves that they make. I care about the music, period. But it is difficult to accept the authenticity of an artist who's droppin' gems, if they have done the opposite in the past.
But in all honesty, an artist who has stayed true to their craft may never prosper if their lane isn't popular. That may result in them having to work 5 days a week like everyone else. That choice is up to them. I'll respect them for choosing that route, but I could also respect them for trying to make a crossover hit (it's a cruel world after all).
But a group like CYNE who drop a track like 'First Person' just earn instant respect from me as their music is real. It is the truth. It is what is faced in the real world by your average person. And real hip hop, if it exists, encompasses these things. It's who you are, as an artist or a listener. As others have now stated, 'real hip hop' is made by the artist who feels their produce through and through, rather than the artist who is out for the $$$ alone.
You reminded me of Bernie Mac with this post, RIP.
Co-sign the whole post though.
@achewon87 Great drop!! Co-sign your whole post. I feel the same way about Rick Ross too LOL.
But I can't hate either. If you like it, listen to it.
Nice article @Traestar , props on the drop. As for my opinion, well, I largely agree with your second post.
I don't necessarily condemn an artist upon the moves that they make. I care about the music, period. But it is difficult to accept the authenticity of an artist who's droppin' gems, if they have done the opposite in the past.
But in all honesty, an artist who has stayed true to their craft may never prosper if their lane isn't popular. That may result in them having to work 5 days a week like everyone else. That choice is up to them. I'll respect them for choosing that route, but I could also respect them for trying to make a crossover hit (it's a cruel world after all).
But a group like CYNE who drop a track like 'First Person' just earn instant respect from me as their music is real. It is the truth. It is what is faced in the real world by your average person. And real hip hop, if it exists, encompasses these things. It's who you are, as an artist or a listener. As others have now stated, 'real hip hop' is made by the artist who feels their produce through and through, rather than the artist who is out for the $$$ alone.
rip.dilla;4658937 said:
You reminded me of Bernie Mac with this post, RIP.
Co-sign the whole post though.
@achewon87 Great drop!! Co-sign your whole post. I feel the same way about Rick Ross too LOL.
But I can't hate either. If you like it, listen to it.
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I agree with what you said man! My thing is is that the mainstream has really put a gridlock on rappers in the game who embraced knowledge, respect, and creativity. They've made the rules that created this monotinous illusion of a culture that they wanted the people involved within it to be destroyed. Sorry it took so long to respond, mind has been all over the place lately, lol
traestar;4721400 said:
I agree with what you posted here. The lack of respect that mainstream artist have for their fans is appalling.Think about what people listen to. Rappers talking about how much money they have and how you ain't shit cause you got nothing, basically talking down to the listener; it's akin to mental prison, you listen to shit like that all day everyday 100% it has an effect on the individual, mental shackles. They are not educating anyone, no lessons are being taught other than I got all this shit by selling drugs, which is a huge lie to impart on fragile minds. I mean even Jay-Z has the world believing he sold drugs once as a kingpin, really? Get the fuck outta here with that. I don't believe you, you need more people..lol
Mainstream hip-hop is poison for the mind, but it is still hip-hop.
achewon87;4781236 said:
Tariq Nasheed talks about the "White Daddy Syndrome" in alot of his podcasts, especially this episode:
Episode #291-"Blacks Suffering From White Daddy Syndome"
And thats what I feel is whats going on with today's media and how they portray blacks. From hip hop to sports to even politics, black people had to tear down their own race just to be accepted by society and get the checks that they get. Like you said, when you down talk the listeners into thinking that you are superior to them in which you are definitely not, saying that you sold on the block, pop bottles, or get money, you're really faking it to your fans and only in your heart crush your well being in the process. And I'm not even backing up the fans, they are just as brain dead believing into a lie.
As for the athletes, its more on the perception of opportunity, they are in terrible home conditions and are forced to think that the only way out is sports or rapping.
Black Politicians are more "fake it til you make it" mentality that they are thinking that doing whatever it takes to get to a certain position and they would do anything to get to, just as in hip hop with the mainstream idols in Diddy, Jigga, Kanye, Jeezy, Ross. etc. Many people are given the illusion that they are powerful and wealthy, but have you seen their general ledger? Are they really what they say they are, and how do you know that they didn't cheat someone else from a spot to get where they are?
This interview with Ice T is beautiful and I believe him wholeheartedly:
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Got Dayum! Seems I opened a can of worms here.
What you summarized in the post is the truth. Chappelle brought it up in an interview on Oprah, about how black actors & comedians are forced to dress up as women, this is clearly done to make it more palpable for white folks to accept them and perceive them as not threatening, which is degrading. Definitely comes off as some sort of hazing or initiation ritual does it not?
The point you brought up about athletes is very true as I have a coworker who's previous employment was as a youth worker, he was a teacher for youth who were recently released from Juvie. He told me that 80-85% of the kids were black and that their future plans were to either be a rapper, basketball player or crime kingpin. Shit was sad to me as those 3 "career" options are all the kids think they can accomplish. Not sure who is to blame but some of it has to fall on mainstream hip-hop and the sphere of influence they project. Who put the kids in that frame of mind?
And 100% most of these artist are lying about the financial success they have. What you see in the videos (Cars, mansions, boats etc.) are rented i.e. The Roots - Do What They Do. And if we are being honest, then I would also say 100% that these people cheated their way to the top. Seriously Puff and The Lox are a great example, someone will argue that Puff was just being a savvy business man when it came to the publishing, but I say if your dishonest and immoral when dealing with people in business then you deserve whatever bad karma comes your way and I do not consider you to be a savvy business man, just a douche!
Ice T was speaking truth in this vid.
What you summarized in the post is the truth. Chappelle brought it up in an interview on Oprah, about how black actors & comedians are forced to dress up as women, this is clearly done to make it more palpable for white folks to accept them and perceive them as not threatening, which is degrading. Definitely comes off as some sort of hazing or initiation ritual does it not?
The point you brought up about athletes is very true as I have a coworker who's previous employment was as a youth worker, he was a teacher for youth who were recently released from Juvie. He told me that 80-85% of the kids were black and that their future plans were to either be a rapper, basketball player or crime kingpin. Shit was sad to me as those 3 "career" options are all the kids think they can accomplish. Not sure who is to blame but some of it has to fall on mainstream hip-hop and the sphere of influence they project. Who put the kids in that frame of mind?
And 100% most of these artist are lying about the financial success they have. What you see in the videos (Cars, mansions, boats etc.) are rented i.e. The Roots - Do What They Do. And if we are being honest, then I would also say 100% that these people cheated their way to the top. Seriously Puff and The Lox are a great example, someone will argue that Puff was just being a savvy business man when it came to the publishing, but I say if your dishonest and immoral when dealing with people in business then you deserve whatever bad karma comes your way and I do not consider you to be a savvy business man, just a douche!
Ice T was speaking truth in this vid.
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Well thats why Diddy doesn't have a good reputation in the industry, and on all aspects too.
I seen that Dave Chappelle video, and thats one example of it too. The blame goes to the people who control
the media, they are the ones who decide what plays on TV/Radio and what doesn't. The artists in mainstream hip hop to blame...yea and I love what Harry Belafonte said recently about Jay-Z and Beyonce not being socially responsible. Beyonce I don't care how many philanthropic things you've done in the past...racism is still big in this world, capitalism is the driver of racism, you guys represent the "but they've made it" image that they have put you and Jigga in, and until you help fight injustices that happen everyday, Harry Belafonte's words would burn slow. Trayvon Martin's killer is still walking around, so this is what Mr. Belafonte is talking about, using your power to reach the masses to point out injustices.
Sorry to go alittle out there, but think about it. These same artists are looked upon as idols, thats power. And they
have not used that power for good. And Diddy is funny, every single dude from Bad Boy is practically bankrupt but Diddy...what does that say? Where's Craig Mack at??
I seen that Dave Chappelle video, and thats one example of it too. The blame goes to the people who control
the media, they are the ones who decide what plays on TV/Radio and what doesn't. The artists in mainstream hip hop to blame...yea and I love what Harry Belafonte said recently about Jay-Z and Beyonce not being socially responsible. Beyonce I don't care how many philanthropic things you've done in the past...racism is still big in this world, capitalism is the driver of racism, you guys represent the "but they've made it" image that they have put you and Jigga in, and until you help fight injustices that happen everyday, Harry Belafonte's words would burn slow. Trayvon Martin's killer is still walking around, so this is what Mr. Belafonte is talking about, using your power to reach the masses to point out injustices.
Sorry to go alittle out there, but think about it. These same artists are looked upon as idols, thats power. And they
have not used that power for good. And Diddy is funny, every single dude from Bad Boy is practically bankrupt but Diddy...what does that say? Where's Craig Mack at??
Valid observation, they are idol like to these fans. But that is something that is not exclusive to hip-hop, it is happening across the globe in many variations. I did not know that Belafonte actually went in on Jay & Beyonce like that but he brought up a great point about them not using there power for the better good or pointing out social injustice.
Back in the day, even before my old ass was born 60's - early 70's, musicians used to stand for things and were pretty active and it was not just black artist; it was all of them. Nowadays artist only promote themselves and do what the label tells them to do, no balls, cause they don't want to get cut out from whatever riches they might gain by being compliant with the request.
If we take out race from the equation of the Martin shooting we are still left with a rather disgusting act, an adult killing a child and it shocks me that he may actually walk. And truthfully I do not need to hear both sides of the story cause I will tell you what, if someone was stalking me like that at that age they would 100% get a confrontation.
Somethings to ponder.
- The word "Hebrew" is censored from the "All About the Benjamins" but the N-bomb is dropped uncountable times on that album and is not censored once. One is extremely offensive and degrading and the other is the word "Hebrew"
- Try to find the song "Nature of the Threat" by Ras Kass on youtube, you won't be able to. I am shocked that "Behold a Pale Horse" by The Boogie Monsters is still up, nowhere near the popularity of Ras Kass but a still a song that touches on the same type of subject matter.
Back in the day, even before my old ass was born 60's - early 70's, musicians used to stand for things and were pretty active and it was not just black artist; it was all of them. Nowadays artist only promote themselves and do what the label tells them to do, no balls, cause they don't want to get cut out from whatever riches they might gain by being compliant with the request.
If we take out race from the equation of the Martin shooting we are still left with a rather disgusting act, an adult killing a child and it shocks me that he may actually walk. And truthfully I do not need to hear both sides of the story cause I will tell you what, if someone was stalking me like that at that age they would 100% get a confrontation.
Somethings to ponder.
- The word "Hebrew" is censored from the "All About the Benjamins" but the N-bomb is dropped uncountable times on that album and is not censored once. One is extremely offensive and degrading and the other is the word "Hebrew"
- Try to find the song "Nature of the Threat" by Ras Kass on youtube, you won't be able to. I am shocked that "Behold a Pale Horse" by The Boogie Monsters is still up, nowhere near the popularity of Ras Kass but a still a song that touches on the same type of subject matter.
Here's the Belafonte link
http://www.urbanfaith.com/2012/08/b...-are-black-stars-obligated-to-give-back.html/
http://www.urbanfaith.com/2012/08/b...-are-black-stars-obligated-to-give-back.html/
And you see we're going beyond the scope of the thread, but yet it is very relevant and should be discussed. Because as people are talking about whats "Real Hip Hop" and whats not, they're worried about the image it portrays yet aren't willing to talk about how the same industry is being criminalized and demonized yet the culture is constantly being ripped of its trends...ask Ryan Lochte.
Never tried that, used Youtube search and came up empty numerous times.
It is very relevant to the discussion, even though it seems OT. Image is very important to the mainstream, reason why artist like Joel Ortiz never blew up.
Just read the full article.
LOL @ Beyonce publicist talking about charities, that is part of the problem too, folks give money to charities and that is it, it ends there. I will not go in on the veracity of charities as I think they are a bit of a scam as only some of the proceeds actually go to the cause. Again they make it about money and nothing else, and I think that is what Belafonte was sort of saying, this guy marched with activist putting himself out there. Would it have killed Jay & Beyonce to show up with the rest of the folks at the Martin protest, it would have been nothing but time, no check needed to be cut for that.
And Jay should be ashamed of himself claiming to be some sort of owner of the Nets and having folks evicted out of Brooklyn for the Nets arena, shameful. Dude is like an old jazz club owner, just the black front to white money who have no concern for Brooklyn or the people and dude straight pied pipered them. He owns one-fifteenth of one percent of the team for $1 mil.He should have been on the other side of this debate but he chased the money and screwed the people.
It is very relevant to the discussion, even though it seems OT. Image is very important to the mainstream, reason why artist like Joel Ortiz never blew up.
Just read the full article.
LOL @ Beyonce publicist talking about charities, that is part of the problem too, folks give money to charities and that is it, it ends there. I will not go in on the veracity of charities as I think they are a bit of a scam as only some of the proceeds actually go to the cause. Again they make it about money and nothing else, and I think that is what Belafonte was sort of saying, this guy marched with activist putting himself out there. Would it have killed Jay & Beyonce to show up with the rest of the folks at the Martin protest, it would have been nothing but time, no check needed to be cut for that.
And Jay should be ashamed of himself claiming to be some sort of owner of the Nets and having folks evicted out of Brooklyn for the Nets arena, shameful. Dude is like an old jazz club owner, just the black front to white money who have no concern for Brooklyn or the people and dude straight pied pipered them. He owns one-fifteenth of one percent of the team for $1 mil.He should have been on the other side of this debate but he chased the money and screwed the people.
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