Is there a such thing as “Real” Hip Hop?

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What are your thoughts?!?!

I basically responded to my friend about it,

He says that this is what he feels about "Real Hip Hop as well"

Me and him have got into arguments, because I would tell them that what that rapper may say shouldn't determine if you listen to him or not. So I responded to this:

I thought that was Nas for a moment, lol. Then I seen he was one of the subjects. I agree wholeheartedly what he's saying, because there are others who do do this, Ice-T I believe would come to mind too. But the one thing I'm about and the author said it is "What people don’t know is Bill Clinton passed a law in 1996 giving the government the ability to control whats being played on radio and what type of music that the masses are gonna be forced to hear." That is the most important reason why I listen to more of the underground hip hop music. The gov't has had their hand in choosing what the masses listen to on the radio or watch on TV. My only problem with today's music: no real variety. I don't hate mainstream music, I could listen to T.I., Ludacris, 50 Cent, Common, Nas, all of them, but there are limitations in which an artist in the mainstream could go in terms of messages. Nas and Common do get a pass because they talked negative against commercial rappers, then turn around and do commercial things. So I see what the author means when he calls them sellouts. I think I've told you before that there were things I didn't like that Common said before, the only thing I care about is the music, period. Many rappers would have weird views and what not but like the author said, as long as they are making good music..thats what should matter.

Everyone has to get paid, but the reason I favor underground over mainstream music from a rapper's perspective in terms of where their target audience is is because for most part, most of the indie or underground artists have more control over their material and the money they make, especially now with the internet jumping to new heights. I see the author's take on who are the sellouts, and thats proof I could never debate that, but for me I care about and many others care about is that we care about the music and thats it. Thats like for example I go to McDonalds to get a No#1 (should be Big Mac meal up there in NY too, not sure), the cashier rings up the order and then tells me "you shouldn't get the Big Mac, its not good for you". In which he/she is right but two things come to mind #1 I have to choice if I'm going to eat it again and #2 I don't care what the cashier thinks. I don't care what they think because they don't know if I get the Big Mac often or I could be a healthy eater and decided to treat myself. And I also have a choice to eat it again or not, I may want a NO#3 (Quarter Pounder) the next day (pause no homo). What I'm trying to say is that we as people have a choice to what we listen to and should use other vehicles like searching online for music and not give into the limited choices on radio.. SirusXM may be the exception. And we shouldn't really care about what alot of the "Hip Hop Saviors" have to say, like take it for a grain of salt most especially if you don't agree. Because again the most important thing is quality music.
 
Why is the writer worried about what some rappers think of the musical genre they're into?

I'm done with these arguments. I listen TO WHATEVER THE FUCK I want ..

At the end of the day, its just music. Everyone's different. The way the melodies of a song capture one person might not be the same for others and vice versa
 
rip.dilla;4658937 said:
Why is the writer worried about what some rappers think of the musical genre they're into?

I'm done with these arguments. I listen TO WHATEVER THE FUCK I want ..

At the end of the day, its just music. Everyone's different. The way the melodies of a song capture one person might not be the same for others and vice versa

Exactly!! This was my view to my FB friend who posted it! It's like they want to find a excuse to not like hip hop or not like the emcees or not to look for new music. And mind you, the guy is a younger dude, far younger than me. So he claims he didn't grow up on hip hop and is for Soulja Boy and all of them. We got into an argument over KRS One repping this so called "Rap Religion" and I'm like dude, why should it matter? He's so vocal on so called "Hip Hop Elitist" but claims he doesn't listen to rap, really??

 
I think "real" hip hop is when you utilize your talent to the best of your ability to make art... If Crank That is the best that SB could come up with then that's hip hop to me... If Jay was lazy on Dead President II then its fake...
 
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Of course not, the argument is a fallacy. In the beginning of hip-hop there was always the party emcee and the lyrical emcee. Everything has it's avenue, some markets are more saturated than others; as we see in the mainstream right now. Heads should not put hip-hop into a tidy little box, no other genre of music questions the authenticity of their artist like hip-hop does. I do not enjoy the mainstream in it's current iteration I just don't feel what a lot of these artist talk about, I don't own a $80,000.00 sports car or live the type of lifestyle they claim. It's corny and played out but people seem to enjoy that type of hip-hop and I largely ignore it. To be honest I have never listened to a Rick Ross album and probably never will, I have heard songs by him and the quality is so much beyond garbage that it amazes me that he is such a popular artist as the guys really has no creative merits to add, terrible flow, terrible lyrics and terrible message. I just don't see the appeal in a lot of these artist in the mainstream I guess.

With all that said don't get stuff confused, back in the day if you were wack we called you wack end of story. We did not question whether or not you were making hip-hop or not, the question was did you make quality hip-hop or not, and were your lyrics "real and true" meaning were you authentic in what you depicted. You can't claim to be a drug dealer if your previous career was a C.O. . You cannot be considered one of the greatest if you consistently bite one your peers, but the mainstream has gone beyond this now.

As for the 3 artist you mentioned, I tend to not care, cause after all this is hip-hop, and as an emcee should you not attack another emcee? Been going on for along time, I just let the quality of music form my opinion.

So again I don't believe there is such a thing as real hip-hop, just quality and non quality. Wack and not wack.

 
Real Hip Hop is hip hop made without the thirst for commercial success and money

In short it basically means your a real musician who actually knows the history of the craft and are actual artists.

There is a such thing as real hip hop and most of these dudes are not it because they have no respect for their community,craft,or culture.

Only ppl who are not hip hop say there's no such thing as real hip hop.

There is a difference between rap and hip hop and MCs and rappers

rappers don't care about creativity,substance,lyrics they care about what will make them money and what's hot

It's about intent.Fuck that.I know I'm real hip hop
 
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achewon87;4670039 said:
Of course not, the argument is a fallacy. In the beginning of hip-hop there was always the party emcee and the lyrical emcee. Everything has it's avenue, some markets are more saturated than others; as we see in the mainstream right now. Heads should not put hip-hop into a tidy little box, no other genre of music questions the authenticity of their artist like hip-hop does. I do not enjoy the mainstream in it's current iteration I just don't feel what a lot of these artist talk about, I don't own a $80,000.00 sports car or live the type of lifestyle they claim. It's corny and played out but people seem to enjoy that type of hip-hop and I largely ignore it. To be honest I have never listened to a Rick Ross album and probably never will, I have heard songs by him and the quality is so much beyond garbage that it amazes me that he is such a popular artist as the guys really has no creative merits to add, terrible flow, terrible lyrics and terrible message. I just don't see the appeal in a lot of these artist in the mainstream I guess.

With all that said don't get stuff confused, back in the day if you were wack we called you wack end of story. We did not question whether or not you were making hip-hop or not, the question was did you make quality hip-hop or not, and were your lyrics "real and true" meaning were you authentic in what you depicted. You can't claim to be a drug dealer if your previous career was a C.O. . You cannot be considered one of the greatest if you consistently bite one your peers, but the mainstream has gone beyond this now.

As for the 3 artist you mentioned, I tend to not care, cause after all this is hip-hop, and as an emcee should you not attack another emcee? Been going on for along time, I just let the quality of music form my opinion.

So again I don't believe there is such a thing as real hip-hop, just quality and non quality. Wack and not wack.

Man....COTDAYUM this is a fire post! Very true!!

 
loch121;4670074 said:
Real Hip Hop is hip hop made without the thirst for commercial success and money

In short it basically means your a real musician who actually knows the history of the craft and are actual artists.

There is a such thing as real hip hop and most of these dudes are not it because they have no respect for their community,craft,or culture.

Only ppl who are not hip hop say there's no such thing as real hip hop.

There is a difference between rap and hip hop and MCs and rappers

rappers don't care about creativity,substance,lyrics they care about what will make them money and what's hot

It's about intent.Fuck that.I know I'm real hip hop

Very true, I mean its so stupid why people always make these arguments with no knowledge or background to support it.
 
achewon87;4670039 said:
Of course not, the argument is a fallacy. In the beginning of hip-hop there was always the party emcee and the lyrical emcee. Everything has it's avenue, some markets are more saturated than others; as we see in the mainstream right now. Heads should not put hip-hop into a tidy little box, no other genre of music questions the authenticity of their artist like hip-hop does. I do not enjoy the mainstream in it's current iteration I just don't feel what a lot of these artist talk about, I don't own a $80,000.00 sports car or live the type of lifestyle they claim. It's corny and played out but people seem to enjoy that type of hip-hop and I largely ignore it. To be honest I have never listened to a Rick Ross album and probably never will, I have heard songs by him and the quality is so much beyond garbage that it amazes me that he is such a popular artist as the guys really has no creative merits to add, terrible flow, terrible lyrics and terrible message. I just don't see the appeal in a lot of these artist in the mainstream I guess.

With all that said don't get stuff confused, back in the day if you were wack we called you wack end of story. We did not question whether or not you were making hip-hop or not, the question was did you make quality hip-hop or not, and were your lyrics "real and true" meaning were you authentic in what you depicted. You can't claim to be a drug dealer if your previous career was a C.O. . You cannot be considered one of the greatest if you consistently bite one your peers, but the mainstream has gone beyond this now.

As for the 3 artist you mentioned, I tend to not care, cause after all this is hip-hop, and as an emcee should you not attack another emcee? Been going on for along time, I just let the quality of music form my opinion.

So again I don't believe there is such a thing as real hip-hop, just quality and non quality. Wack and not wack.

Metal bands are just as critical of their artists and punk rock is basically the same scene as hip hop but white ppl mostly.

Raggae also is very critical of being true to the culture.They hate pop raggae
 
loch121;4670074 said:
Only ppl who are not hip hop say there's no such thing as real hip hop.

I take exception to that, I mean I am pretty sure I am hip-hop to the core and I don't subscribe to that belief. Again if we are talking hip-hop; beats, rhymes and life then sadly YMCMB and MMG are hip-hop, it is not very good hip-hop but it is what it is. Just b/c we do not agree with the subject matter and image behind the music does not make it hip-hop. Now if you want to talk crossover shit, like the Common song posted above, then understand that is not hip-hop in anyway shape or form, rapper featured or not.

Is Premo any less hip-hop cause he laid tracks for Limp Bizkit and Christina Aguilera? I would say 100% no, would you not agree?

As for metal bands being critical of one and other. Sure they are but you have to understand that the sub genres of Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Death Metal etc. are widely accepted by each fan base and they will argue just the same over which is more "real". But just like hip-hop it is all still metal regardless of which type. As for the punk rock comment, it is a music based off of anti establishment feelings so when say a Blink 182 crosses over, I would expect that it would upset a bunch folks but to be fair; Blink 182 was not using traditional punk rock when they blew up, they changed there style of music to "sell out". Are we talking Reggae or Dancehall? Cause there is a difference. I have hears rumors that Supercat was not allowed back to Jamaica after coming up to the States and blowing up, is this true? Not sure . Artist like Sean Paul and Nina Sky do not make Reggae or Dancehall music, they make pop music. And to be fair Shabba Ranks, Elephant Man, T.O.K. & Beenie Man have all had massive hits and are still considered Dancehall musicians I mean shit when I was in the islands 2-3 yrs ago, Chaka Demus and Pliers were still getting burn.

What I meant by that comment is, Rock and Country music do not put there artist in a box, nor should hip-hop. And I could have misunderstood what you meant when you posted that comment, I agree that the purist of those genres argue the same as hip-hop heads but my point is we should not as fans of the music. If an artist has an issue with another artist that is on them and he should just enjoy the good music available to us.

 
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For the most part, just because they crossover either doesn't mean they are not real hip hop as well. Eminem comes to mind, he started underground and now he's more mainstream now. No matter how people think of him, he's still hip hop.
 
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traestar;4671148 said:
For the most part, just because they crossover either doesn't mean they are not real hip hop as well. Eminem comes to mind, he started underground and now he's more mainstream now. No matter how people think of him, he's still hip hop.

Agree 100% there are of ton of rappers that come to mind, I mean lets be real here the song Jay used to blow up big time "Hard Knock Life" is 100% hip-hop no doubt and that goes for a ton of rappers. I am not saying commercial = bad and underground = good, I am saying lets just enjoy the music as there have been plenty of crossover artist that I have still enjoyed once they did.
 

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