Is There a Process?

[BiblicalAtheist]

Idk, but there is definitely a smear champagne against Muslim's and Islam.

 

[anthony7q]

Is there a process?

Taking place against Muslims in the United States of America? I was listening to WMNF, a local radio station here, paid for by the listeners, and there was this woman on, of German descent, who was speaking of her parents and their life in Germany before, during, and after Hitlers reign of terror.She spoke of her parents observation of the treatment of Jews during that time, and how it began with harrasment,for a time, then it went on into them not being able to walk certain places on the street, then to them having to wear the yellow star..All of this during a down economy.

Now, she was not suggesting that this is what is happening here, but only pointing out that there seems to be a process taking place. Would you agree or disagree? and why?

there imo, is a growing fear of Muslims and Islam. Where do you see this in say, the next 5yrs?

Kinda off topic but did the German Woman talked about this...

August 7, 1933 Germany Boycott By Jews That Led To WWII

Taken from..http://www.meguiar.addr.com/Freedman.htm

There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia to slap down Germany. There isn't one historian in the world who can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically.

When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat, they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew whom Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political prisoners, who wrote back that he found them in very fine condition. They were in excellent shape, with everybody treated well. And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because the Jews happened to comprise about 98 per cent of the Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers, and labor leaders, and Masons, and others who had international affiliations.

Some background is in order: In 1918-1919 the Communists took over Bavaria for a few days. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht and a group of other Jews took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia and that he was going to meet the same fate as the Czar. So he fled to Holland for safety, for security.

After the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, the Jews were still working, trying to get back into their former status, and the Germans fought them in every way they could without hurting a single hair on anyone's head. They fought them the same way that, in this country, the Prohibitionists fought anyone who was interested in liquor. They didn't fight one another with pistols. Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans, and there were only 460,000 Jews. About one half of one per cent of the population of Germany were Jews. And yet they controlled all the press, and they controlled most of the economy because they had come in with cheap money when the mark was devalued and bought up practically everything.

(LGM NOTE: Have we not been programmed to believe that 6,000,000 were killed by Hitler??? There weren't 6,000.000 Jews in all of Europe, let alone in Germany, and how many claim to have survived???)

The Jews tried to keep a lid on this fact. They didn't want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.

The Germans took appropriate action against the Jews. They, shall I say, discriminated against them wherever they could. They shunned them. The same way that we would shun the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy and brought about our defeat.

After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended this meeting in July 1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler, and you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are serving an ultimatum upon you." You can imagine what the Germans told them. So what did the Jews do?

In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, "The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business." And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population.

Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that "this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration," which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time.

Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words "made in Germany" on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were picketed with signs saying "Hitler," "murderer," and so forth, something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South.

At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "made in Germany." Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for many years and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying "murderers," "Hitlerites," and so forth. Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.

Naturally, the Germans said, "Who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and make our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?" They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews. Why should a German go in and give his money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott that was going to starve Germany into surrendering to the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

The boycott continued for some time, but it wasn't until 1938, when a young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot a German official, that the Germans really started to get rough with the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having street fights and so forth.

Now I don't like to use the word "anti-Semitism" because it's meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it. The only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were responsible for World War I and for this world-wide boycott. Ultimately they were also responsible for World War II, because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was going to survive

http://www.meguiar.addr.com/Freedman.htm

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Yes on the higher levels. They pushed into every home that Islam as a whole was violent and wildin out. You have some who buy into, and then a shit load of others who's attention is caught.

The ones who now have their attention focused, get fed images of it continuing and nothing about those who don't support the extremist side. So in time, some of them are smart enough to look elsewhere and see other Muslims don't support the violent actions, and then others remain blind and play the average American dumbass and buy into the systems theatrical show, and then the government has the country by the balls and have people willing to go after Muslims because they now think they are doing good for the world.

 

[whar67]

Anthony any particular reason to post bat-shit crazy articles?

 

[Hyde Parke]

@ anthony. i didnt want to quote that long ass article, yes its off topic, no the lady did not mention that. She only mentioned what I listed in my original post. Now i read all through that article you posted, and maybe you can make a thread on it. This lady gave personal account from her parents and family members who were actually present at the time this was all taking place. even if the numbers were distorted, or there are things that were not reported or left out, i dont doubt that, but dont ask me to doubt that people lost their lives in the most inhumane way either..lets just find a median...

bck to the topic.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Idk, but there is definitely a smear champagne against Muslim's and Islam.

yes, i agree.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Yes on the higher levels. They pushed into every home that Islam as a whole was violent and wildin out. You have some who buy into, and then a shit load of others who's attention is caught.

The ones who now have their attention focused, get fed images of it continuing and nothing about those who don't support the extremist side. So in time, some of them are smart enough to look elsewhere and see other Muslims don't support the violent actions, and then others remain blind and play the average American dumbass and buy into the systems theatrical show, and then the government has the country by the balls and have people willing to go after Muslims because they now think they are doing good for the world.

its crazy, i remember a few yrs back, the mosque a few blocks from me, never had security..well present that I could actually see it, now they have atleast two, or three cars out there..I know a few Muslims, i dont want to sound partial, but not one of them I know condone radical Islam, Jihadist, or whatever they call themselves..and you have people here who act out their fear..I see this getting progressively worse.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

its crazy, i remember a few yrs back, the mosque a few blocks from me, never had security..well present that I could actually see it, now they have atleast two, or three cars out there..I know a few Muslims, i dont want to sound partial, but not one of them I know condone radical Islam, Jihadist, or whatever they call themselves..and you have people here who act out their fear..I see this getting progressively worse.

Exactly, you know how the media is, they will continue and continue to push this Islam thing until they have multiple countries going to war to take over these Islamic countries. Look at how they did the exact same thing with communism and socialism in the 50's and 60's and 70's. They said "_____ is bad, _____ is whats going to happen to you if you don't go against it" and people became fearful of it and were totally against the Soviet Union and Cuba and them. It will just continue until we are at war with everyone and Islam falls. If Islam never falls, America will.

Now there are some things that I think are despicable with Islam, alot of things, but the reasons the country is promoting are foolish and bullshit.

 

[Hyde Parke]

Exactly, you know how the media is, they will continue and continue to push this Islam thing until they have multiple countries going to war to take over these Islamic countries. Look at how they did the exact same thing with communism and socialism in the 50's and 60's and 70's. They said "_____ is bad, _____ is whats going to happen to you if you don't go against it" and people became fearful of it and were totally against the Soviet Union and Cuba and them. It will just continue until we are at war with everyone and Islam falls. If Islam never falls, America will.

Now there are some things that I think are despicable with Islam, alot of things, but the reasons the country is promoting are foolish and bullshit.

thats some sad shit the way you've laid it out, but I can see that happening..

Have people asked themselves how a hillbilly pastor, with a congregation of 50 people or less, is able to gain national attention

when he says he is going to burn the Qur'an? How does that happen? seriously wtf...and people just jumped right into his actions,

bypassing the source..and then there was the General, and the President himself feeding into the frenzy..

if nothing else, people need to be aware of what is taking place..

 

[ThaChozenWun]

thats some sad shit the way you've laid it out, but I can see that happening..

Have people asked themselves how a hillbilly pastor, with a congregation of 50 people or less, is able to gain national attention
when he says he is going to burn the Qur'an? How does that happen? seriously wtf...and people just jumped right into his actions,
bypassing the source..and then there was the General, and the President himself feeding into the frenzy..

if nothing else, people need to be aware of what is taking place..

It's simple.

The pastor says he is going to burn the Quran. The media flips it to make it look like he is the bad guy so it distracts people away from what we are doing right now overseas and gives the government the "good guy image". Bush had a whole country pissed off because we were in Iraq for no reason. They were trying to fix that.

And most people in the U.S. are religious, whether they like Muslims or not, if someone religious themselves they know the power a book holds to them. So when they see a man about to burn any book, they know it could affect them so they are against it, because they have that similar connection, and the media knew about it and blew it up. Now when the president say's or any other political figure say's, "We have to go to war in wherever because these are evil people", those people will be like "Well they did condemn the burning of the Quran that one time, so they have to be going to war for a good reason against this group of people so I'm all for it".

And on another route think about it.

Guy going to burn Quran - Pisses Muslims off
Muslims protest it - they are shown on TV as violent people burning flags and bibles.
American's see this - fail to make the connection because the TV didn't show them the connection which leads to a large number of supporters for the next war and people hopping back on the governments trusty side.

That's all it was, blown up to reach and piss off Muslims hoping for retaliative tactics which could be used in our favor.

 

[Chike]

Yea, good point. I can see it happening to justify what I'm sure they want to do to the middle east. I mean they're already half way there.... many Americans/westerners could give two shits about the innocent people in the middle east getting carpet bombed.

 

[alissowack]

Yeah, and that can also be seen from both sides...the extremists are looking for anything to justify an act of violence whether it be an American bashing Muslims or vice versa and the bystanders are caught in the crossfire.

 

[kingblaze84]

Exactly, you know how the media is, they will continue and continue to push this Islam thing until they have multiple countries going to war to take over these Islamic countries. Look at how they did the exact same thing with communism and socialism in the 50's and 60's and 70's. They said "_____ is bad, _____ is whats going to happen to you if you don't go against it" and people became fearful of it and were totally against the Soviet Union and Cuba and them. It will just continue until we are at war with everyone and Islam falls. If Islam never falls, America will.

Now there are some things that I think are despicable with Islam, alot of things, but the reasons the country is promoting are foolish and bullshit.

You hit the nail on the head........America is already bombing up 4 Muslim nations right now.......

Pakistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Afghanistan.......Iran is next in about 8 years, if Israel doesn't get to it first.

 

[kingblaze84]

Yea, good point. I can see it happening to justify what I'm sure they want to do to the middle east. I mean they're already half way there.... many Americans/westerners could give two shits about the innocent people in the middle east getting carpet bombed.

Pretty much.....Israel treats its Palestinian neighbors like trash, along with its other Arab neighbors, and American politicians support it all.

I find it funny how the media always bad mouths Islam and Muslims worldwide, yet wonder why so many Arab nations worldwide hate America.

When is the last time you've seen a Palestinian defend his people on a national news network? You always see Israelis or Jews defending Israel, but Palestinians never get the same face time.

I wonder why.

 

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[Hyde Parke]

Hot Topics: Examining Islamophobia in America
September 22, 2010
By Nicole Pride

The planned construction of a Muslim community center near the World Trade Center has put Islam squarely in the center of a national debate over religious freedom and protecting the sanctity of a site where thousands perished in the 9/11 attacks. Against the backdrop of the mosque controversy, a Florida pastor threatened to burn the Muslim holy book and battles over mosques have broken out in other communities around the country. The events sparked a Time cover story: “Is America Islamophobic?” Deepa Kumar, a professor of media studies at the School of Communication and Information weighs in on the anti-Muslim fervor and the role of the media in shaping public perception. Kumar’s area of research includes media, war, and imperialism as well as Islam, the Middle East, and U.S. foreign policy. She is active in social movements for peace and justice.

Rutgers Today: Do you think there is widespread fear of and animosity toward Muslims in the United States?
Deepa Kumar

]Deepa Kumar: Unfortunately, yes. I don’t think, however, that this anti-Muslim attitude comes from regular Americans. Rather, since the events of 9/11, the mainstream media and the political elite have helped generate an attitude toward Muslims that has been largely negative. Most recently, this rhetoric has been taken up a few notches by forces such as the Tea Party initiative. The controversy around the planned Islamic community center in lower Manhattan was polarized by groups on the far right of the political spectrum. One such group is “Stop Islamization of America” which is based on the premise that Muslims are conspiring to take over the U.S. These forces managed to frame the debate in such a way that you either had to support the families of 9/11 or the center. This is a false choice, since many of the victims’ families have come out in support of the center. But given this limited choice, people who otherwise might not harbor anti-Muslim sentiments found themselves against the center.

Rutgers Today: Do you support the plan to build an Islamic center near the World Trade Center?

Kumar: I believe Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is trying to change public perceptions of Muslims to counteract images of fear and terror associated with Islam. He chose the location two blocks from ground zero so he could present a different face of Islam, one that is more representative of the more than 1.5 billion Muslims around the world who have no sympathy for the actions of the extremists. Shouldn’t we, as a country that guarantees religious freedoms, permit him to offer a different perspective of his culture?

Rutgers Today: If you feel most Americans don’t have animosity toward Muslims, why do you think anti-Muslim rhetoric is prevalent?

Kumar: The majority of Americans have been manipulated by a politics of fear generated after the events of 9/11. Every country that seeks to obtain the consent of its citizens for war must construct an enemy that is feared and hated. When President George W. Bush declared that we were involved in a “war on terror,” we were told that the new enemy was the vicious Muslim terrorist. This generated a politics of fear similar to that which existed during the Cold War when we were told to fear the Soviet Union and “communists” in our midst. After Pearl Harbor, the Japanese were vilified and more than 100,000 descendants of Japanese origin in the U.S. were put into concentration camps. Over half a century ago, Japanese Americans were collectively blamed for the attack at Pearl Harbor. Today all Muslims are viewed as responsible for the events that took place on 9/11.

Rutgers Today: Do you think this level of tension always existed between Muslims and non-Muslims in America? If so, why now are the tensions so apparent?

Kumar: Strains of anti-Muslim attitudes have existed in the United States for over a century. Yet, we did not witness large-scale discrimination against Muslims and Arabs in the way we have since 9/11. As civil rights groups have documented, not only have Muslims been the victims of hate crime they also have been racially profiled, imprisoned indefinitely without the ability to go to court, deported, and tortured in secret CIA prisons around the world. Just like during World War II, when there was no public outcry around the mass punishment being meted out to Japanese and Japanese Americans; today, too, there isn’t enough attention cast on the violations of Muslim Americans’ civil liberties.

Unfortunately, the logic that all Muslims are worthy of suspicion has been accepted without much debate. For example, in 2006, when a company based in the United Arabs Emirates was contracted to manage several U.S. seaports, the new management became a debate about national security and whether a foreign company could be trusted to run these ports. Yet, the ports were previously being run by a British company. The underlying argument was that Muslims cannot be trusted.

Rutgers Today: What role do you think the media has played in shaping the perception of Muslims? Have the media encouraged or discouraged fear toward Muslims?

"]Kumar: Hollywood has produced a steady stream of films that reinforce stereotypes of Arabs and Muslims. These stereotypes include images of Arab men as barbaric, violent, gaudy, lascivious, and of Muslim majority countries as uncivilized, misogynistic, irrational, and undemocratic.

The mainstream news media in the U.S. take their cues from the “primary definers of news;” that is, people who are the key political and economic leaders. These members of the political elite, with some notable exceptions, have branded the Muslim community as untrustworthy and anti-American. Largely, mainstream media have not deviated from this script.

Over the last few months, however, we have witnessed a few counter examples. As the backlash against the Islamic community center grew more hostile, some media outlets started to push back because the notion of religious freedom had come under attack. The very notion of the U.S. as a multiracial and open-minded society was under threat. In this context, Time magazine did a cover story titled “Is America Islamophobic?” The New York Times questioned America’s religious tolerance in the days leading up to the proposed Quran-burning set to take place in Florida. The Quran-burning which was averted in Florida but carried out elsewhere are, in my opinion, reminiscent of the cross-burnings in the South that served to intimidate African Americans.

 

[Hyde Parke]

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