IS there a hiphop album which is a top 10 music album of all time?

[duckmanpig]

its funny when cats talk about hip hop... "nobody outside of hip hop heard such and such"... so? u think everyone bumps Sgt Pepper, Thriller, Innervisions, or Natty Dread?

smh @ this inferiority complex...

everybody knows about those albums though, whether theyve heard it or not, shit Thrilller is 10X DIAMOND. Who outside of Rap knows about Illmatic

 

[gman82]

maybe Aquemini, Me against the world, black on both sides, or The 7 Day Theory. As far as cultural impact goes The Chronic, all eyes on me, ready to die, straight outta compton, Doggystyle, MMLP, 2001, & Illmatic come to mind.

 

[achewon87]

a tribe called quest- midnight marauders and/or the low end theory

Word I was going to say the same thing, Q-Tip is a phenomenal producer. Outkast & The Roots would have multiple albums that fit this category as well.

 

[the best 1]

Are there any hip-hop albums that have had the cultural impact the White Album, Thriller and Purple Rain have had?

Yes... Imho Only two though.... Public Enemy's "It takes a Nation of Millions" and Dr Dre's "The Chronic"

Public Enemy was one of the main groups responsible for the Pro-Black movement that started happening in Hip Hop... and they also had a lot of cats reading up on Black history(Malcom X, Marcus Garvey, ect).

Public Enemy's production Team "The Bomb Squad" had a sound that was so unique... so in your face... so hard... that a lot of Rock n Roll and Heavy Metal act's have covered some thier songs and list PE's "It takes a Nation" as one of their favorite albums... even though it had a "Pro Black" theme.



Dr Dre's The Chronic album had 3 hit singles.... "Nothin but a G thang", "Dre Day" and "Let Me Ride"... even the filler tracks on the album are classics...(Bitches and shit, ect).

The Chronic ushered in a new sound that was... laid back, smooth almost jazzy at times but still "Hard" and "Gangsta". Dre incorporated keyboards, synthesizers, guitars, old funk samples and hard drums to make some of the dopest Hip Hop ever heard.

The Chronic also pushed "West Coast Culture" even further into Hip Hop with the imagery of... Low Riders... Gang Banging... Cali Bud... West Coast slang... west Coast dress codes... Hair sytles.... ect.

Remember that HBO documentary "Gang Banging in Little Rock"... and there's a scene where you see the white boys in the car about to go do a drive-by and their smoking weed and listening to "The Chronic"... and they are reciting the song "Dre Day" word for word.

That showed you the impact Dr Dre's "The Chronic" and "West Coast Culture" had on a lot of youth across the country.

Imho... "The Chronic" album was that final push that made West Coast Culture go mainstream.

When I started seeing niggas in "New York" trying to act like they were from "Compton" and rappers putting Low Riders in the videos, wearing bandanas ect... and trying to claim "Crips" and "Bloods" that showed me the impact of West Coast culture... and I think the success of "The Chronic" Album had a lot to do with that.



These albums definitely changed the game..............

 

[D.Original]

The topic doesnt have a simple answer bc hiphop as music is so different than any other music. the song writing isnt like rock r&b country or anything.the chorus is whats important with other music but hiphop heads fuck w verses. i dont give a dam about a chorus really. imo lyrically hiphop is the most complex of any musical genre so you gotta throw somethin on that top 10 based on originality alone. whether its nation of millions, illmatic, ready to die, aquemini...etc i cant call it.

 

[MrCrafty]

Doggystyle

Ready To Die

Chronic

Aquemini

 

[Jdilla26]

Yes... Imho Only two though.... Public Enemy's "It takes a Nation of Millions" and Dr Dre's "The Chronic"

Public Enemy was one of the main groups responsible for the Pro-Black movement that started happening in Hip Hop... and they also had a lot of cats reading up on Black history(Malcom X, Marcus Garvey, ect).

Public Enemy's production Team "The Bomb Squad" had a sound that was so unique... so in your face... so hard... that a lot of Rock n Roll and Heavy Metal act's have covered some thier songs and list PE's "It takes a Nation" as one of their favorite albums... even though it had a "Pro Black" theme.

^^^^^^^^^^C/S Public Enemy was the shit one of the most influential albums in hiphop ..........."The revolution will not be televised"

A tribe called quest- midnightmarauders

My favorite Pac album

The Fugees the Score

..........................and of course Illmatic

 

[Focal Point]

Real talk... when you think about it, gotta ride with Lauren Hill Miseducation and Public Enemy's It Takes a Nation

EDIT: damn didn't really think about Speakerboxx/The Love Below... that's real talk

 

[Focal Point]

The topic doesnt have a simple answer bc hiphop as music is so different than any other music. the song writing isnt like rock r&b country or anything.the chorus is whats important with other music but hiphop heads fuck w verses. i dont give a dam about a chorus really. imo lyrically hiphop is the most complex of any musical genre so you gotta throw somethin on that top 10 based on originality alone. whether its nation of millions, illmatic, ready to die, aquemini...etc i cant call it.

you think hiphop is more complext then say Jazz or Classcial music?

 

[Focal Point]

I'm not even gonna jump to assumptions, but how many hip hop fans are even listening to a wide variety: how many have even heard these, Rolling Stone's top 10. To even base your argument.

Lol I'm ashamed that I've only heard one in its entirety though I do love songs from a couple. I gotta listen to at least the top 50.

It's debatable that most hip hop albums could even compete musically, since much of it is sampling older music.

very very good post

 

[Jdilla26]

Im seeing a lot of guys going off Rolling Stone magazines editor or bullshit white bias magazine..........WHY cant Hiphop be in the Top 10 for music Just b/c some 60 something white editor says so and he has 3 or 4 Beatle Album in the Top 10. I saw they even had Public Enemy was #43 in Rolling Stone..........Bullshit That album changed the way hiphop was being looked at by a caucasian-controlled media who were genuinely scared by this band and scared of what they had to say. The Chronic I know Dre sampled from from Parliment and Funkadelic but it transformed the entire sound of West Coast rap for the next 15 years. Illmatic musically not so often u can get great production and rhymes throughout the whole album and this came out in 94 and still talked about and listened to. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill had 10 grammy nominations but Rollingstones had it #312 so u mean to tell me there are 312 albums better than The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill.....I dont think so........Im lover of all music have listened to alot of shit but I cant but guys like Beatles, Beach Boys or Nirvana when I havent listened to them and the Same goes to biased editor who hasnt listened to none of them hiphop albums or if so doesnt understand the music.

 

[And_So_It_Burns]

Im sure when the beatles dropped their albums no one said to themselves ok this is the best album of all times. It took a couple of decades for it to fully be regonized. Let's not lie to our selves there is a huge bias agaisnt hip-hop music in the mass public. Rolling Stone rated illmatic as number 400....really? 400 albums better than illmatic?

 

[D.Original]

you think hiphop is more complext then say Jazz or Classcial music?

lyircally...def. not musically.

 

[the best 1]

you think hiphop is more complext then say Jazz or Classcial music?

Musically... hell naw. LOL

 

[njolinjo]

I deff think ppl undervalue what hiphop has contributed to culture and music. If hiphop isnt influential, why the hell do popstars keep having rappers featured on their music.

So back to the matter at hand. I can have a discussion with anyone and argue that The Chronic and Illmatic are two of the best albums of ANY GENRE of all time. I respect the hell out of Dylan, Prince, Mike, Beatles and all them stars, but I feel those two albums deserve a place in the top 10 of all time.

 

[JokerzWyld]

What is the criteria used in this situation to rate a hip hop album with/against albums of other genres? I think answering this question will kill most of the confusion on this subject. I appreciate good music from almost any genre, but i also recognize that certain genres offer different things to music. Hip Hop's biggest impact involves it's songwriting and the controversy of it's lyrical content. Many artists like Marvin Gaye & Jimi Hendrix didn't write their own music but are seen as the greatest to ever do it, but if i was to give equal props to DMX for "It's Dark & Hell Is Hot" y'all would act like it's blasphemy.

"I Want You" & "Are You Experienced?" are two of my favorite albums of all time, but hip hop is probably my favorite genre ever and i have no problem saying that Nas' "It Was Written" had better songwriting and lyrical content than the 2 aforementioned albums. I love Miles Davis' "Kinds Of Blue" but Fela Kuti's "Fela Kuti Live With Ginger Baker" album was miles (pun intended) above Davis' work.

Anyway, it seems like a top 10 of all time is too much to ask for in this situation. There are too many artists to consider and too many discographies to analyze, and the listener has to have a sound mentality to hear all of them in their proper context. It's deeper than rap.

 

[Treize117]

Aquemini...maybe illmatic....truthfully I dont think so

 

[StillFaggyAF]

Aquemini...maybe illmatic....truthfully I dont think so

I fuck with ur top 5, no love for Big Boi tho?

 

[rip.dilla]

Illmatic

Miseducation

These two albums are close to perfection in my opinion

 

[Focal Point]

lyircally...def. not musically.

but when you say lyrically, that means to evoke emotions or observations, when you here classical or jazz music you end up having that happen