Is JAY-Z Past His Prime As A Recording Artist?

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Bigavelli;3025332 said:
Best Album by far = Reasonable Doubt

Decent Album = The Blueprint

Average Album = The Black Album

Below Average Album's = Volume 1, American Gangster

Weak and horrible Album's = Volume 2, Volume 3, The Dynasty, The Blueprint 2, Kingdome Come, The Blueprint 3

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Bigavelli;3025246 said:
What he never did was grow and have content that was not the typical 1 dimensional selling coke and being wealthy

Co-sign

and surprisingly coming from you
 
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rip.dilla;3025321 said:
So why's he still around?

Why didn't his ass stay retired after '03?

Maybe to stretch the perception of hiphop, that you can't get older and still be relevant like rock artist. Show that rappers can sell out baseball and bigger stadiums and consistently tour large arenas.

Maybe it's about individual accomplishments at this point (number 1 albums, awards,etc)

Maybe he makes music because it's the center piece to his brand, all the clothing, contracts,etc are dependent of him staying music relevant.

Basically for many of reasons, there is nothing he can really do at this point in his career, he has already proven everything music wise. Maybe it's just the other shit now.
 
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rip.dilla;3025378 said:
Co-sign

and surprisingly coming from you

so outside of selling coke n being wealthy he never touched on anything else...u might need to go back n listen to a few tracks
 
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usmarin3;3025393 said:
Maybe to stretch the perception of hiphop, that you can't get older and still be relevant like rock artist. Show that rappers can sell out baseball and bigger stadiums and consistently tour large arenas.

Maybe it's about individual accomplishments at this point (number 1 albums, awards,etc)

Maybe he makes music because it's the center piece to his brand, all the clothing, contracts,etc are dependent of him staying music relevant.

Basically for many of reasons, there is nothing he can really do at this point in his career, he has already proven everything music wise. Maybe it's just the other shit now.

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And Usmarin i always said Ludacris and Redman are better at doing the Slim Shady type animation Song's better it comes more natural to them while with Slim Shady it seems forced and too Shocking

However only 2pac comes close to Eminem when it comes to making Deep Introperspective Emotional/Personal Song's about life experiences

But when it comes to Rappers who predominantly Rap about Selling Coke, Materalism and Money the likes of Reakwon, Styles P, T.I., Beanie Sigel, Rick Ross, Ghostface, Pusha T, Notorious B.I.G. etc always been better than Jay Z IMO
 
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Mr.Audigier216;3025400 said:
so outside of selling coke n being wealthy he never touched on anything else...u might need to go back n listen to a few tracks

LOL

I've listened to EVERY album dude has dropped

Subject matter not deep enough . . . a couple of songs on some issues here and there

but still

Meh
 
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Yes. You dumb niggas who are trying to make it as if someone is saying he should rap about that 10 year ago shit need to come up with a better argument. This is not about subject matter. This is about his skills and level of creativity withering. He spits bullshit throwaway bars more often than ever.

Can he make a hit now? Sure.

Can he drop dope ass verses? Hell yes.

Does he have the same passion, hunger, desire, etc. to just spazz on a track and go into beast mode? I don't see it.

His verses and lyrics are less heartfelt and impactful. It's all predictable.
 
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rip.dilla;3025419 said:
LOL

I've listened to EVERY album dude has dropped

Subject matter not deep enough . . . a couple of songs on some issues here and there

but still

Meh

Real talk there
 
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rip.dilla;3025419 said:
LOL

I've listened to EVERY album dude has dropped

Subject matter not deep enough . . . a couple of songs on some issues here and there

but still

Meh

if youve listened to every album then youd know that on damn near EVERY album he steps off the subjects of selling coke n being wealthy...but i see what eveybody is sayin but to say someone such as Rick Ross is better at speaking on that life, when he neve even lived that life, is blasphemy
 
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Jay should get his mind right and rap until at least 60 though, IMO. He just needs to adjust his shit but IDK if he is capable.
 
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mostvigorousone;3025429 said:
Yes. You dumb niggas who are trying to make it as if someone is saying he should rap about that 10 year ago shit need to come up with a better argument. This is not about subject matter. This is about his skills and level of creativity withering. He spits bullshit throwaway bars more often than ever.

Can he make a hit now? Sure.

Can he drop dope ass verses? Hell yes.

Does he have the same passion, hunger, desire, etc. to just spazz on a track and go into beast mode? I don't see it.

His verses and lyrics are less heartfelt and impactful. It's all predictable.

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its time for him to pick up pen and paper ,u can say what u want but theres no way his way of making songs is better

i m also starting to think he´s trying to dumb it down ...y all praise lil wayne lyrics when most of the time he has lines like "i shine like the sun" "u can count on me like 1,2,3"

an artist already lost when he´s trying to fit in .Thats why i rarely like jay working with other artists since blueprint
 
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Bigavelli you're such a fucking idiot i tell you. First of all Jay isn't a coke rapper, Pusha T and Raekwon are, Beans, Styles, TI,Biggie,etc aren't coke rappers either. Damn you irritate me to no bounds with your lack of knowledge in rap.

LOL at Eminem deep introspective, i consider Eminem a caricature more than a deep rapper. Eminem doesn't speak to the plight of the average nigga out here dealing with shit, the white boy got rich and compounded his problems with more drugs and make borderline homoerotic music (NIGGAS DON'T RELATE TO THAT BULLSHIT). We relate to Pac, police discrimination,loving our moms, etc.
 
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Mr.Audigier216;3025277 said:
1st off, that was a personal soundtrack to the movie...he just did it cuz he could, if u listen to the album, it tells the life of Frank Lucas as a soundtrack, 2nd thats heroin lol

It wasn't the soundtrack to anything none of the people affiliated the movie had anything to do with him making an album, he just did what Jay does and leached on the hot thing at the time to make a buck because he knew he'd be able to rap about the same tired shit he's been wrapping about for damn near two decades

having said that American Gangster is the most recent album of his that still gets rotation he had some bangers on it but don't make it what it's not
 
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Why do people try so hard to dismiss AMerican Gangster out Jay-z catalog. They like to act like his last 2 albums are Kingdome Come and Blueprint 3.
 
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supaman4321;3025488 said:
It wasn't the soundtrack to anything none of the people affiliated the movie had anything to do with him making an album, he just did what Jay does and leached on the hot thing at the time to make a buck because he knew he'd be able to rap about the same tired shit he's been wrapping about for damn near two decades

having said that American Gangster is the most recent album of his that still gets rotation he had some bangers on it but don't make it what it's not

dude hence why i said a PERSONAL soundtrack that he did cuz he wanted to
 
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