Is It Wrong or Contrary To Be Black And Christian??

[Chike]

i suppose i am disputing that there was a "BC" concept that was changed under Constantine. that's when people started with the Anno Domini concept?

if it's meant to honor Caesar, what's the purpose of co-opting it and keeping the Caesar part a secret? and if it's been changed "Before Christ" and no longer refers to Caesar at all... does it really honor Caesar?

It was meant to Honor Caesar before Christianity was formulated and then they changed it to benefit their cause. To the Public, it's Before Christ, to the elites that are in the know, they know it's really Before Caesar. That type of thing.

 

[weezyfgarbage]

There has been good things that came from christianity, such as foundations for the hopeless, inspiration, guidence, food for poor, housing shelters, etc...

None of these things require being affiliated to any religion LOL

 

[And Step]

if it's meant to honor Caesar, what's the purpose of co-opting it and keeping the Caesar part a secret? and if it's been changed "Before Christ" and no longer refers to Caesar at all... does it really honor Caesar?

why would a Christian care about Caesar getting the honor, when the Roman authorities have been their enemies? Is that what your asking? I retract an earlier statement.

Coopting anything is done to weaken the movement. Co-opting is always done in a good name but there is another motive. They coopted the movement ofJesus and weakened it. They don't mind Jesus getting the credit as long as they stay in power. Sort of like when Congress opens sessions and has a religious leader open in prayer then when he is finished they tell em "Get out nigga, we have some bidness to attend to".

Or the March on Washington in 63. It was originally a grass roots working class movement with an angry tone. There was a thought that people were going to tear shit up. White folks said eff that and joined the movement and all the bourgeois negroes jumped on board. The tone went from an angry protest to a love fest. The negros name was still on it but white folks ran it. Financed it and directed it.

They don't care who gets credit as long as they maintain control. Only negros want symbol without substance. A nigga willn take a pay cut if the job has a title.

 

[janklow]

It was meant to Honor Caesar before Christianity was formulated and then they changed it to benefit their cause.

let me be clear that one of the things i don't think is accurate is that they started saying "Before Christ" under Constantine

why would a Christian care about Caesar getting the honor, when the Roman authorities have been their enemies? Is that what your asking? I retract an earlier statement.

so who is co-opting who in this? because i thought you said the Christians were co-opting it, but now it's that the Romans are co-opting it?

 

[Chike]

let me be clear that one of the things i don't think is accurate is that they started saying "Before Christ" under Constantine

so who is co-opting who in this? because i thought you said the Christians were co-opting it, but now it's that the Romans are co-opting it?

When do you think they started using that term?

 

[And Step]

let me be clear that one of the things i don't think is accurate is that they started saying "Before Christ" under Constantine

so who is co-opting who in this? because i thought you said the Christians were co-opting it, but now it's that the Romans are co-opting it?

Yes to both. The Romans became Christians and introduced a lot of foreign concepts so they could appease the polytheistic, heathen practicing new converts. And from the best of my knowledge BC did not start until a few centuries after Jesus supposedly walked the Earth.

 

[janklow]

When do you think they started using that term?

at least two hundred years after Constantine died

Yes to both. The Romans became Christians and introduced a lot of foreign concepts so they could appease the polytheistic, heathen practicing new converts.

i suppose my thinking if that IF the Romans are now Christians (or the Romans that matter, whatever) and IF their usage of BC was mean to honor Christ (which is why it'd be packaged with the whole AD concept)... then it really DOES mean Before Christ, even if there was ever a prior usage. hey, Christmas is still very religious to people no matter what the holiday's origin is.

 

[Chike]

at least two hundred years after Constantine died

Alright.

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[VulcanRaven]

While I don't believe in Christianity, I don't think Christanity is the problem. For instance, you have a knife that has cut apples for years and then one day someone takes the knife and kills someone. Is it the knife's fault (Christianity)? Or the murderer (slave masters)? As much as I disagree with Christianity, it wasn't created specifically for slavery. Christianity, like anything else, can be used for good or bad.

But Crhistianity came from Europeans who forced their believes on the rest of the world.

 

[oliverlang]

But Crhistianity came from Europeans

This is certainly debatable, if not completely inaccurate.

 

[And Step]

This is certainly debatable, if not completely inaccurate.

He actually is 100% correct.

Christianity is a European styled theology on the Teachings of Jesus. They named it, shaped it, packaged it and presented it to the world.

Prior to them there was no Christianity(which is a greek word), per se. People followed the teachings of Jesus but didn't apply a name, religious customs or traditions to it.

Even Billy Graham said he believes in the Teachings of Christ, not Christianity.

 

[oliverlang]

He actually is 100% correct.

Christianity is a European styled theology on the Teachings of Jesus. They named it, shaped it, packaged it and presented it to the world.

Prior to them there was no Christianity(which is a greek word), per se. People followed the teachings of Jesus but didn't apply a name, religious customs or traditions to it.

Even Billy Graham said he believes in the Teachings of Christ, not Christianity.

Teachings of Christ is "Christianity," whatever way you want to package it. The origins of it go back to the immediate followers of Christ, which is what I was referring to and why it's debatable. Christianity was not established by Europeans with the intent to enslave Africans.

 

[nusouthorigin]

Teachings of Christ is "Christianity," whatever way you want to package it. The origins of it go back to the immediate followers of Christ, which is what I was referring to and why it's debatable. Christianity was not established by Europeans with the intent to enslave Africans.

Any religion that teaches there is a mystery god is teaching slavery.

 

[oliverlang]

Any religion that teaches there is a mystery god is teaching slavery.

Agreed...But, a Christian who previously led a life of crime and drug addiction, and has been rehabilitated by Christianity will claim they have a new found freedom with the help of this mystery god. While I believe they could have replaced Christianity with anything (an appreciation for life, their family, their self, etc), who am I to say they are a slave?

 

[And Step]

Teachings of Christ is "Christianity," whatever way you want to package it. The origins of it go back to the immediate followers of Christ, which is what I was referring to and why it's debatable. Christianity was not established by Europeans with the intent to enslave Africans.

There are eople who adhere to the teachings of Jesus who do not accept the label, teachings, or practices of Chrisitainity. It is a defacto movement started by Europeans to coopt Eastern control.

Bible-European

Christ - European

White Jesus- European

Cross - European

Easter-European

Christmas-European

 

[oliverlang]

There are eople who adhere to the teachings of Jesus who do not accept the label, teachings, or practices of Chrisitainity. It is a defacto movement started by Europeans to coopt Eastern control.

Bible-European

Christ - European

White Jesus- European

Cross - European

Easter-European

Christmas-European

I understand what you are saying, but again what I'm claiming is that "Christianity" didn't come from Europeans, but the NAME may have. The stories in the Bible, Christ's teachings (if he existed), and the original followers of Christ IS Christianity in retrospect. Much of what is considered Christianity existed before it was packaged as Christianity. The organization of it all was created by Europeans, such as the symbology that you listed - I'll agree with that aspect.

 

[nusouthorigin]

It is all well and good that they acquired the strength to overcome these obstacles. That is not the slavery part. The slavery part comes from the fact that u wait for reward in the hereafter while the elite r having their rewards now. That is wat makes u a slave. If u trade one form of slavery for another u r still a slave. U may not be a slave on a plantation anymore but u may b a slave to the prison industrial complex. Also freemen r permitted to own land, slaves r not. In the united states NOONE is permited to own land, u r leasing it. Forget to pay ur property taxes one year and then tell me u own ur house.

 

[oliverlang]

It is all well and good that they acquired the strength to overcome these obstacles. That is not the slavery part. The slavery part comes from the fact that u wait for reward in the hereafter while the elite r having their rewards now. That is wat makes u a slave. If u trade one form of slavery for another u r still a slave. U may not be a slave on a plantation anymore but u may b a slave to the prison industrial complex. Also freemen r permitted to own land, slaves r not. In the united states NOONE is permited to own land, u r leasing it. Forget to pay ur property taxes one year and then tell me u own ur house.

My question would be, what is the reward that is being sought (elite or the non-elite) and what is freedom? In my opinion, the only free man is a man that is free from attachments (possessions, concepts, etc). Your attachment to these things is preventing you from being truly free (this includes attachments to land). I'm not talking about you specifically, just speaking in generalities.

 

[nusouthorigin]

I have no attachment to things, I am a poor righteous teacher. For me the reward is in the jorney not the destination. But deaf blind and stupid r using the scorecard the elite r telling them to use. If u use that scorecard u will always be losing. That is the point I was trying to make, when u play this game with the elite u will always come up short because they have u focused on the wrong things. Ever heard "u can't see the forest for the trees"? this is wat I mean. I'll close with some words from Ras Kass "Christians pray hands folded and believe, Muslims face the east cup they hands to recieve, and organized religions deviding the sea, ONE GOD ONE LOVE the true path to be free."

 

[oliverlang]

I have no attachment to things, I am a poor righteous teacher. For me the reward is in the jorney not the destination. But deaf blind and stupid r using the scorecard the elite r telling them to use. If u use that scorecard u will always be losing. That is the point I was trying to make, when u play this game with the elite u will always come up short because they have u focused on the wrong things. Ever heard "u can't see the forest for the trees"? this is wat I mean. I'll close with some words from Ras Kass "Christians pray hands folded and believe, Muslims face the east cup they hands to recieve, and organized religions deviding the sea, ONE GOD ONE LOVE the true path to be free."

I can dig it, and agree for the most part.