Is It All Hip Hop?

[bck145]

Beats don't make hip hop...rappers do

And like anything hip hop has evolved from the origins the same way everything else does so no it is not all hip hop but everyone's definition of hip hop is different

 

[TheGOAT]

Yes... the answer to your question is Yes

 

[grYmes]

I got the idea for this thread from the Eminem vs Drake thread.

If a rapper/group comes up with a new style or something different people tend to say, "Its all Hip Hop". Generally speaking people from other regions outside of New York (South, Midwest, West Coast) defend their local groups. If somebody says, "well that's not really Hip Hop" or, "Thats not the traditional Boom Bap sound" people are quick to say, "Its all Hip Hop".

But is that really true?

1. Is Bobby Shmurda dancing on the table Hip Hop?

2. Is D-12's My Band Hip Hop?

3. Is Young Thug's Westwood freestyle Hip Hop?

4. Was LL's Accidental Racist Hip Hop?

5. Is Macklemore Hip Hop?

6. When these new rappers rap over beats that are d'void of Boom Bap and are just 808, synth and hi hats, is that really Hip Hop or is it something else?

For that matter, if Hip Hop has a certain sound and starts to change and evolve, at what point is it no longer Hip Hop?

1. Paid In Full

2. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

3. Straight Outta Compton

4. Illmatic

5. Ready To Die

6. Doggystyle

7. All Eyes On Me

8. Only Built For Cuban Linx

9. Reasonable Doubt

10. Ghetto D

^^^ Those aren't necessarily my top 10 albums but I think we can all agree that those albums are a good representation of what Hip Hop should sound like. Or stated another way, if you were going to make a time capsule and send it forward 100 years into the future, those 10 albums would be a good representation of what we consider Hip Hop music.

My question is; If you make music that doesn't sound anything like those 10 albums, is it Hip Hop or is it something else?

I'll leave you with this. Its the trailer for a movie that came out in 1985 called Rappin. In theory, its a Hip Hop movie about Rapping. But just by watching the trailer its debatable if this is really Hip Hop or something else masquerading as Hip Hop.

As far as what you listed, examples 1 & 4 is just straight coonery (Accidental Racist isn't an actual LL song anyways he features). 3 is hip hop just garbage hip hop and the other two are rather you like it or not classified as hip hop. If it's a matter of taste that's fine, nothings wrong with that. However just because shit don't sound a curtain way don't make it any less hip hop. The sound has evolved for decades. You don't see people in other genres of music have this debate like hip hop fans do.

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Yes it's ALL hip hop from rakim to soulja boy to tupac to d4l future etc... Just cause you don't like it don't mean it's not Hip Hop. Hip hop needs to have different sounds. If rappers still rapped to the same shit they did in the 80s, the genre wouldn't have gotten past the 90s.

 

[_God_]

Beats don't make hip hop...rappers do

And like anything hip hop has evolved from the origins the same way everything else does so no it is not all hip hop but everyone's definition of hip hop is different

Hip hop is a culture rap is an expression

 

[5 Grand]

At what point should we, as Hip Hop fans, take a stand and say, "Thats not Hip Hop"

For example, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys and Public Enemy were all inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. Many traditional rock musicians said that they don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame because they're not Rock N Roll. They have a good point IMO. You could make a very solid argument that those groups don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame.

Likewise, when the Hip Hop Hall of Fame gets built are we gonna let everybody in who has ever rapped over a beat and sold a million units or will there be some criteria? In 20 years should Macklemore and Young Thug be inducted into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame?

 

[grYmes]

At what point should we, as Hip Hop fans, take a stand and say, "Thats not Hip Hop"

For example, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys and Public Enemy were all inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. Many traditional rock musicians said that they don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame because they're not Rock N Roll. They have a good point IMO. You could make a very solid argument that those groups don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame.

Likewise, when the Hip Hop Hall of Fame gets built are we gonna let everybody in who has ever rapped over a beat and sold a million units or will there be some criteria? In 20 years should Macklemore and Young Thug be inducted into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame?

There's R&B, folk music & Jazz musicians in the rock & roll hall of fame. Who cares in 2016 about rappers being there? If this hip hop hall of fame gets built then by your logic acts like Bone Thugs, Outkast, Eminem, Three 6 Mafia, & boatloads more wouldn't fit your "criteria". Many acts that came with they're own sound and style that set trends & left they're mark on hip hop MUSIC and CULTURE. I don't think that's gonna fly homie.

 

[5 Grand]

There's R&B, folk music & Jazz musicians in the rock & roll hall of fame. Who cares in 2016 about rappers being there? If this hip hop hall of fame gets built then by your logic acts like Bone Thugs, Outkast, Eminem, Three 6 Mafia, & boatloads more wouldn't fit your "criteria". Many acts that came with they're own sound and style that set trends & left they're mark on hip hop MUSIC and CULTURE. I don't think that's gonna fly homie.

So how about Macklemore? He won the grammy for best rapper. Should he be inducted to the Hip Hop Hall of Fame or should somebody take a stand and say, "Thats Not Hip Hop"?

I have plenty of other examples but does anybody understand where I'm coming from or am I alone on this?

 

[grYmes]

There's R&B, folk music & Jazz musicians in the rock & roll hall of fame. Who cares in 2016 about rappers being there? If this hip hop hall of fame gets built then by your logic acts like Bone Thugs, Outkast, Eminem, Three 6 Mafia, & boatloads more wouldn't fit your "criteria". Many acts that came with they're own sound and style that set trends & left they're mark on hip hop MUSIC and CULTURE. I don't think that's gonna fly homie.

So how about Macklemore? He won the grammy for best rapper. Should he be inducted to the Hip Hop Hall of Fame or should somebody take a stand and say, "Thats Not Hip Hop"?

I have plenty of other examples but does anybody understand where I'm coming from or am I alone on this?

Lol, get it right he won for best rap album (& probably something else). Now everyone that legit listens to hip hop knows he didn't have the best album that year or the best anything really(he'd probably say it himself). However the man does rap just like a lot of these other garbage dudes (strange you put him in the same category as Young Thug, I understand everything Macklemore says). Is it cause he's not "traditional"? I love old school rap & listen to it often but I don't want my new music sounding like the old most of the time. Hell I give him credit for being more sensere than a lot of these other dudes out here simping now. Simply put he's still a rapper, if it's a production thing than I call bullshit on that. How is he not "hip hop"? What else would you possibly label that?

And why should I measure this to some hall of fame that doesn't even exist?

 

[bck145]

At what point should we, as Hip Hop fans, take a stand and say, "Thats not Hip Hop"

For example, Grandmaster Flash, Run DMC, The Beastie Boys and Public Enemy were all inducted into the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame. Many traditional rock musicians said that they don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame because they're not Rock N Roll. They have a good point IMO. You could make a very solid argument that those groups don't belong in the Rock N Roll Hall of Fame.

Likewise, when the Hip Hop Hall of Fame gets built are we gonna let everybody in who has ever rapped over a beat and sold a million units or will there be some criteria? In 20 years should Macklemore and Young Thug be inducted into the Hip Hop Hall of Fame?

thats a bad example because hip hop fans would do the same thing if people like kiss got inducted in the hip hop hall of fame

no at this time macklemore and young thug both wouldn't get in the hip hop hall of fame because they haven't done enough in the game......but michael jackson is legend with a deserving discography but not for a hip hop hall of fame because he didn't make hip hop music, regardless of influence, he simply didn't make that type of music

 

[_God_]

It's simple , hood rules = hip hop