Is hov officially the GROAT?

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trendsetta1030;c-9908915 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9908584 said:
CoolJoe;c-9908573 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

You're not serious, right?

Yep, 100%. Put some trash ass beats on there with the same exact lyrics, and tell me there will still be a consensus that it's a classic album.

usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

Revolver Ocelot;c-9908901 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9907246 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

Wit out ye bp woulda jus been black album fill wit just blaze an timbo productions b4 tha black album

This makes no fuckin sense what so ever

Kanye made the bp hot his beats carried that album if it weren't 4 kanye the blue print would of ended up becoming the black album befor the black album was recorded

Kanye only produced 1 track more than Just Blaze on BP (4 to 3)

 
Revolver Ocelot;c-9908925 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9908915 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9908584 said:
CoolJoe;c-9908573 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

You're not serious, right?

Yep, 100%. Put some trash ass beats on there with the same exact lyrics, and tell me there will still be a consensus that it's a classic album.

usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

Revolver Ocelot;c-9908901 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9907246 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

Wit out ye bp woulda jus been black album fill wit just blaze an timbo productions b4 tha black album

This makes no fuckin sense what so ever

Kanye made the bp hot his beats carried that album if it weren't 4 kanye the blue print would of ended up becoming the black album befor the black album was recorded

Kanye only produced 1 track more than Just Blaze on BP (4 to 3)

Take over

Izzo

It's no love

Never change

Girls girls pt2>>> just blaze production

And

Vol1>bp

Facts!
 
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trendsetta1030;c-9908915 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9908584 said:
CoolJoe;c-9908573 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

You're not serious, right?

Yep, 100%. Put some trash ass beats on there with the same exact lyrics, and tell me there will still be a consensus that it's a classic album.

Right!… vol1>bp

Tha beats carried bp

usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

Quality over quantity it took jay it took jay 13 albums in yo even be consider an elite wit PAC
Revolver Ocelot;c-9908901 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9907246 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

Wit out ye bp woulda jus been black album fill wit just blaze an timbo productions b4 tha black album

This makes no fuckin sense what so ever

Kanye made the bp hot his beats carried that album if it weren't 4 kanye the blue print would of ended up becoming the black album befor the black album was recorded

You go outta your way to discredit everything Jay does and that shits reeks of you being an envious faggot. Jay has had more than his fair share of missteps in his musical career, but overall, the nigga is an essential component of the genre and a top 5 rapper. Period.

You're definitely a white boy/other type muthafucka that thinks he knows hip-hop, when in reality, you don't know a fucking thing. Foh.
 
Like Water;c-9908956 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9908915 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9908584 said:
CoolJoe;c-9908573 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

You're not serious, right?

Yep, 100%. Put some trash ass beats on there with the same exact lyrics, and tell me there will still be a consensus that it's a classic album.

Right!… vol1>bp

Tha beats carried bp

usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

Quality over quantity it took jay it took jay 13 albums in yo even be consider an elite wit PAC
Revolver Ocelot;c-9908901 said:
trendsetta1030;c-9907246 said:
The Lonious Monk;c-9907053 said:
Mr 202;c-9906887 said:
Blueprint gave him the shine if you ask Kanye he will tell you.

Nobody was checking on Kanye and just blaze till they did the blueprint.

Jay was executive producer on lupes first Album

I think it's a little weird to say Jay put a producer on though. After all, Blueprint is only classic material because of the production, so it was less "Jay putting Ye on" and more "Jay picking the best production for his album which happened to come from Ye." Kanye even spoke on it a while ago, how he would make beats that weren't even intended for Jay, but Jay would hear them and insist they be on his album. I guess my point is that good producers will blow up regardless. They don't need particular rappers to put them on.

Wit out ye bp woulda jus been black album fill wit just blaze an timbo productions b4 tha black album

This makes no fuckin sense what so ever

Kanye made the bp hot his beats carried that album if it weren't 4 kanye the blue print would of ended up becoming the black album befor the black album was recorded

You go outta your way to discredit everything Jay does and that shits reeks of you being an envious faggot. Jay has had more than his fair share of missteps in his musical career, but overall, the nigga is an essential component of the genre and a top 5 rapper. Period.

You're definitely a white boy/other type muthafucka that thinks he knows hip-hop, when in reality, you don't know a fucking thing. Foh.

Vol1-bp1

I was rockin wit jay…

Spades a spades bra jay not that n!gga specially when he ain't want it wit kiss… he sent state prop on nas,d block,dipset facts!


Plus beans outshines jay in almost all they songs

An compare 2 beans you wack-nas
 
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usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

Because I was alive and grown in they prime and saw the impact... All Jay has on Pac is that he lived longer. Pac was the most popular best selling.. fucked the bad bitches set trends acted in movies all during his time. Hell Nas was that on a lesser lever 2 all before Jay. Death is what changed shit. u say we dont know if Pac or Big woulda off... I Do know Jay wasny popular or that icon while they were alive and on top. I do know Biggies rhymes wouldnt have been coming out Jay fat lip if Big was alive either... so we can argue semantics all day. Pac is universally viewed as the best rapper worldwide from his death to know... Jay having a longer career and having Beyonce wont change that.
 
usmarin3;c-9908706 said:
Why do y'all give dead rappers (Pac, Big, Big L,etc) and people who don't put out music (3000, Lauryn Hill, Jay E, etc) the benefit of the Doubt. While niggas like Nas, Jay, Face,etc consistently put out great music and survived all the changing trends in rap. Niggas got to die for respect. Y'all don't know if Pac and Big would of fell off.

We know Jay fell off for sure tho
 
Hell no! He does not even care about his fans as some fans can't afford tidel. Or like me who does not want it and I really don't care if I hear the CD or not. If Nas, EM, and Lil Wayne all dropped CDs on something like Tidal I wound buy it. But he is for sure Top 7 or 6
 
GetoBoy;c-9909429 said:
Sum of these niggas just trolling now either that or all out hating

I'm not hating I'm just telling you how I feel, loved his first 2 CDs , but mchh was so bad I stopped caring about him.

 
aneed123;c-9908696 said:
So u saying jay the greatest cuz he,ain't die early and got super popular after marrying Beyonce fuck that he ain't better than Pac nas or big. Just more popular to sheep



Hey waiter, can I get some extra on those feelings"


 
wolfman91;c-9909392 said:
Hell no! He does not even care about his fans as some fans can't afford tidel. Or like me who does not want it and I really don't care if I hear the CD or not. If Nas, EM, and Lil Wayne all dropped CDs on something like Tidal I wound buy it. But he is for sure Top 7 or 6

Lil Wayne over Jayz??..............Seriously???

Seriously you can't make this shit up on the IC. SMDH!!
 
wolfman91;c-9909392 said:
Hell no! He does not even care about his fans as some fans can't afford tidel. Or like me who does not want it and I really don't care if I hear the CD or not. If Nas, EM, and Lil Wayne all dropped CDs on something like Tidal I wound buy it. But he is for sure Top 7 or 6

Lol
 
Greatest alive today? Maybe. Of all time? Hell no..

Jay is nice but Nas has always been the better rapper. Jay fooled all of us imo. He told us was the best and we all figured since he was rich and moved like a boss he must be. But I'm going thru my mind thinking some the lackluster shit he's done over the years, he could've been a contender but nah.

I mean why did he think 'that niqqa jigga' would mesh well on a soul beat driven album? Thats shit that almost made not a fan of his back then. On what planet is the beat from 'lucky me' is something u rap over? It took me years to even like that song enuff to play it thru. I can go on on some tomp shit but my point is he's got way too many dents in his armor musically to ever be considered the best ever..
 

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