Is hov officially the GROAT?

[trendsetta1030]

I don't think anybody denies that Jay is in the GROAT discussion. A lot of people just don't feel he's the hands down winner as some claim. Just for me, it's telling when so many factors that have nothing to do with rap are being used to justify his status. Like what does putting on other rappers even have to do with how good you can rap?

Ya said he built the roc I say dame did ya say he's a great business men I say point out his achievements…

 

[Mr 202]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

 

[trendsetta1030]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

Just facts buddy…

 

[NoCompetition]

Him putting anybody on dont really got nothing to do with him as far as what he's put out. In a way it would kinda be a testament to dude being able to hold his own to not be all about other rappers. If he aint put anybody on that wouldnt hurt his case for what he's put out. So considering his career is there really anything anyone can really say against it? As far as if you dont consider him the greatest, there is undeniable accomplishments. That objectively put him in the convo if not in that spot.

Able to hold his own? The album in discussion is his highest seller Ever!… 14 songs 12 of which had features only 2 solos 1 witch was a sample wit a hook already on it… ride or die & alright are the only solo jay songs on vol 2

Him putting anybody on dont really got nothing to do with him as far as what he's put out. In a way it would kinda be a testament to dude being able to hold his own to not be all about other rappers. If he aint put anybody on that wouldnt hurt his case for what he's put out.

Cosign.

Master P put on 10X more people than anybody else but it doesn't make him the GOAT MC.

Yeah. two different things. If the convo was business man and someone who put on a lot of rappers, there is a great case for Master P. But greatest rappers, thats a discussion that I dont see any way Jay z isnt in that discussion. Even though I dont necessarily agree he is number one, its not like saying so is off. He's achieved a place in very exclusive company.

Master p put on a bunch of irrelivent mfs…

Look at chief keef look at Gucci an joe many ppl they put on…but ya always brag about jay business side when he never build the building he let Dame do it all jay did was take a seat an sign papers so honestly point jay business success? Be cause he sucked at deff jam that ball player of whom he is allegedly had affairs wit who was a bum… jay got tha nets to Brooklyn which they haven't succeed it… what exactly makes jay a good business men?

Thats kind of a different convo like we was saying but really...its the results. Like Im trying to get rich. So to make hundreds of millions legally is something. It wouldnt benefit me to downplay success that is beyond my own (financially) I think its beneficial to peep game...nothing too much deeper than that. I will admit while early on I wasnt really a fan of dude but over the years he's simply shown and proved. So going in Im not someone who really has too much of a problem with dude so Im looking at it from that perspective. I dont agree with everything he's ever done, said, or presented though.

 

[5 Grand]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

 

[Mr 202]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

Just facts buddy…

Nah you didn't make sense at all, we respect Jay for his lyrics, flow and word play not for the hooks anybody else might be singing for him.

Plus is there anything wrong with artists collaboration?

Don't it feel good to hear biggie and jay on a song together whether it be brooklyns finest, I love the dough or young Gs

You seriously saying Jay didn't make any impact in hip hop?

 

[trendsetta1030]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

Just facts buddy…

Nah you didn't make sense at all, we respect Jay for his lyrics, flow and word play not for the hooks anybody else might be singing for him.

Plus is there anything wrong with artists collaboration?

Don't it feel good to hear biggie and jay on a song together whether it be brooklyns finest, I love the dough or young Gs

You seriously saying Jay didn't make any impact in hip hop?

But ya complain about French Montana but it's ok when jay does it ctfu man the jay d!ck ridin is unbelievable…they weren't jus doing hooks ja rule wrote his biggest hit but ya complain about drake not written his sh!t I can careless wat song big was on I never mess wit dudes music till recently only in the east coast is big consider the goat… wat lyrics bigs? Lyrics you mean… what flow you mean the flow he took frm chris annpaid him off to stay quiet… no jay ain't make no impact only trend this nigga set was button ups an that ain't last…

I want all you jay z d!ck riders to post jay trends or his influence in music …

So again wat impact did jay z bring yo hip hop??!

 

[GetoBoy]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

If we doing that then nobody is the official GROAT becuz there is no rapper that most will consensus agree on as the greatest rapper everybody you name can be debated against

 

[Dogowner14]

all your reasons arguing why he is the GOAT are all terrible

 

[Dogowner14]

"Born alone, die alone. No crew to keep my crown or throne" - Nasir Jones aka the G.O.A.T

 

[5 Grand]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

If we doing that then nobody is the official GROAT becuz there is no rapper that most will consensus agree on as the greatest rapper everybody you name can be debated against

1. Can we all agree that Bob Marley is the undisputed greatest Reggae artist of all time?

2. Can we all agree that Jay isn't the "undisputed" greatest rapper of all time in the same manner that Bob Marley is the greatest Reggae artist?

 

[DR. JEK]

Put it this way, biggie made jay-z seem average and jay was and obviously still is an excellent rapper. To me, biggie was the best rapper that ever lived, but 2pac was my favorite, mostly due to content and the way he delivered his vocals.

On what track?

BIG sounded like a clown on both records Jigga featured on

"get it...2...Pacs"

FOH

Jigga got dunked on all through that whole song!! I thought this was common knowledge. Jay did better on "I love the dough" than BKF

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

I've never seen a smart post from him. I put that dumbass on ignore a long time ago

 

[GetoBoy]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

If we doing that then nobody is the official GROAT becuz there is no rapper that most will consensus agree on as the greatest rapper everybody you name can be debated against

1. Can we all agree that Bob Marley is the undisputed greatest Reggae artist of all time?

2. Can we all agree that Jay isn't the "undisputed" greatest rapper of all time in the same manner that Bob Marley is the greatest Reggae artist?

Huh??? #2 didn't make sense

 

[KamPushMe]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

If we doing that then nobody is the official GROAT becuz there is no rapper that most will consensus agree on as the greatest rapper everybody you name can be debated against

2pac my nigg

 

[GetoBoy]

The threadstarter specifically said, "Is Jay OFFICIALLY The GROAT".

The answer is NO, Jay is not "officially" the GROAT.

Here's why, Bob Marley is OFFICIALLY The greatest Reggae singer of all time. If you asked 100 people who's the greatest Reggae singer 95% would say Bob Marley.

If you asked 100 people who's the greatest rapper of all time I doubt Jay would even get 50% of the votes.

If we're using the word "officially" then that means the vast majority of Rap fans would consider Jay the GROAT and I just don't think people feel that Jay has done for Rap what Bob Marley has done for Reggae.

If we doing that then nobody is the official GROAT becuz there is no rapper that most will consensus agree on as the greatest rapper everybody you name can be debated against

2pac my nigg

2pac ain't even close to the consensus GROAT and he's my second favorite all time but let's be real lol

 

[Mr 202]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

Just facts buddy…

Nah you didn't make sense at all, we respect Jay for his lyrics, flow and word play not for the hooks anybody else might be singing for him.

Plus is there anything wrong with artists collaboration?

Don't it feel good to hear biggie and jay on a song together whether it be brooklyns finest, I love the dough or young Gs

You seriously saying Jay didn't make any impact in hip hop?

But ya complain about French Montana but it's ok when jay does it ctfu man the jay d!ck ridin is unbelievable…they weren't jus doing hooks ja rule wrote his biggest hit but ya complain about drake not written his sh!t I can careless wat song big was on I never mess wit dudes music till recently only in the east coast is big consider the goat… wat lyrics bigs? Lyrics you mean… what flow you mean the flow he took frm chris annpaid him off to stay quiet… no jay ain't make no impact only trend this nigga set was button ups an that ain't last…

I want all you jay z d!ck riders to post jay trends or his influence in music …

So again wat impact did jay z bring yo hip hop??!

You should argue with facts...

Jays biggest hit is not "can I get a" it's Empire State of mind.

Also Ja didn't write nothing for Jay, it was a Ja song that Jay liked, ja gave it to him, Beat and hook Jay put his verse on it and put Amil on it, please explain to me how Ja wrote Jays biggest song?

When Nore was at the breakfast club he explained to ctg why he did a new deal with revolt instead of cbs he said I gotta own my masters, I listened to 444. That's influence

That's just this week and I don't really need to point out to you how Jay influenced or impacted the game if you can't see it by yourself

 

[trendsetta1030]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

Gunna hand him a Distant Relatives tape

Also, I'm seeing a lot of people saying how Jay had a HUGE impact and contribution to hiphop, but i dont think i saw anyone say what they were. If you're going to list stuff that happened in the last few years please, don't bother. I say that because there are so many news a blog outlets now that will report anything in the hopes of click bait.

I have a feeling some of you are using those word too lightly like its easily accomplished.

Jay had no impact his entire career was outsmarting not relivency he always grasp to whatever was hot at the moment and jump on to the next b4 the In got out I give em credit on at… but how's he the goat when all his biggest singles had futures? His highest selling cd was a future compilation cd he had 2 songs by himself non of which made the singles 5x plat…post a jay z hit wit no feature or sample…

You know how pac said against all odds is the realest shit he ever wrote?

That shit you wrote there is the dumbest shit I've ever read

Just facts buddy…

Nah you didn't make sense at all, we respect Jay for his lyrics, flow and word play not for the hooks anybody else might be singing for him.

Plus is there anything wrong with artists collaboration?

Don't it feel good to hear biggie and jay on a song together whether it be brooklyns finest, I love the dough or young Gs

You seriously saying Jay didn't make any impact in hip hop?

But ya complain about French Montana but it's ok when jay does it ctfu man the jay d!ck ridin is unbelievable…they weren't jus doing hooks ja rule wrote his biggest hit but ya complain about drake not written his sh!t I can careless wat song big was on I never mess wit dudes music till recently only in the east coast is big consider the goat… wat lyrics bigs? Lyrics you mean… what flow you mean the flow he took frm chris annpaid him off to stay quiet… no jay ain't make no impact only trend this nigga set was button ups an that ain't last…

I want all you jay z d!ck riders to post jay trends or his influence in music …

So again wat impact did jay z bring yo hip hop??!

You should argue with facts...

Jays biggest hit is not "can I get a" it's Empire State of mind.

Also Ja didn't write nothing for Jay, it was a Ja song that Jay liked, ja gave it to him, Beat and hook Jay put his verse on it and put Amil on it, please explain to me how Ja wrote Jays biggest song?

When Nore was at the breakfast club he explained to ctg why he did a new deal with revolt instead of cbs he said I gotta own my masters, I listened to 444. That's influence

That's just this week and I don't really need to point out to you how Jay influenced or impacted the game if you can't see it by yourself

If Empire State of mind his biggest hit that's bad that was way past his prime bp3… so wat would a jay verse done wit out a hook or beat jus a freestyle quick 16…nore hot influence by 444 bra I'm talmbout new artist or influence he set durin vol 3 dynasty bp ba ? Every album he followed sum 1 blue print…up until bp he did his own

 

[usmarin3]

When i judge a rapper i just technical abilities, catalog, and impact. I think he check the box more than any other rapper imo. To me Jay and Dre got the strongest lineage in rap as far as who they put on or influenced.

The only person Jay really most definitely put on was Bleek, Source Money and Cole. And only one of them had a good career. Everybody else it was Dame. Jay didn't discover Jeezy, or Ross. Nas put Cormega, Nature, Natshawn, AZ , Wiz and Jungle,Quan and the first to work with Ameri. And lets not forget Dave East.

Ross himself said Jay and LA Reid put him on.

Ross had a deal with Slip n Slid first. I believe Bleek brought him to their attention. Jay didn't get on a Ross record and make it hot as a first single. And he didn't feature Ross on his record to introduce him to the public. Ross made himself a star with hard work.

When i judge a rapper i just technical abilities, catalog, and impact. I think he check the box more than any other rapper imo. To me Jay and Dre got the strongest lineage in rap as far as who they put on or influenced.

Who did jay put on?

Beans

Ye

Just Blaze

Lupe

Cole

Ross

Etc

Just Blaze is a producer. That shit don't count. Plus he did records with other rapper before Jay. Kanye brought Lupe out to the world on Touch the sky. But Lupe had a deal already to be honest. Jay didn't put him on either. Dame put Ye on not Jay. Jay had nothing to do with that album. But he did put on Ja Rule.

Put on mean to break the artist to the world or the first to sign them right?

Just Blaze first hit and full credit came from Jay. He ghost produced, but it was Jay who gave him his break. Food and Liquor was executive produced by Jay. Kanyes first major verse I've heard was on the Blueprint 2 album. Jay used Kanye and Just when they were nobodies in the time period of the Neptune's and Timbalands reign.

 

[power_wisdom]

When i judge a rapper i just technical abilities, catalog, and impact. I think he check the box more than any other rapper imo. To me Jay and Dre got the strongest lineage in rap as far as who they put on or influenced.

The only person Jay really most definitely put on was Bleek, Source Money and Cole. And only one of them had a good career. Everybody else it was Dame. Jay didn't discover Jeezy, or Ross. Nas put Cormega, Nature, Natshawn, AZ , Wiz and Jungle,Quan and the first to work with Ameri. And lets not forget Dave East.

Ross himself said Jay and LA Reid put him on.

Ross had a deal with Slip n Slid first. I believe Bleek brought him to their attention. Jay didn't get on a Ross record and make it hot as a first single. And he didn't feature Ross on his record to introduce him to the public. Ross made himself a star with hard work.

When i judge a rapper i just technical abilities, catalog, and impact. I think he check the box more than any other rapper imo. To me Jay and Dre got the strongest lineage in rap as far as who they put on or influenced.

Who did jay put on?

Beans

Ye

Just Blaze

Lupe

Cole

Ross

Etc

Just Blaze is a producer. That shit don't count. Plus he did records with other rapper before Jay. Kanye brought Lupe out to the world on Touch the sky. But Lupe had a deal already to be honest. Jay didn't put him on either. Dame put Ye on not Jay. Jay had nothing to do with that album. But he did put on Ja Rule.

Put on mean to break the artist to the world or the first to sign them right?

Just Blaze first hit and full credit came from Jay. He ghost produced, but it was Jay who gave him his break. Food and Liquor was executive produced by Jay. Kanyes first major verse I've heard was on the Blueprint 2 album. Jay used Kanye and Just when they were nobodies in the time period of the Neptune's and Timbalands reign.

Wrong, Just Blaze was credited on Killah Priest second album and Buckshot BDI album. As I said Lupe got his first national shine on Kayne album. Before his album came out. We talking about putting someone on or executive producers? Kanye did songs with Foxy Brown, Harlem World, and Goodie Mob before he did the Blueprint.