Is hov officially the GROAT?

[bck145]

Neither LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Bird or anybody else scored as many points as Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Thats the objective of basketball, to score more points than your opponent. Fancy dunks and crossovers aren't important, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who scored the most points and thats Kareem.

There's more to basketball than just points......assisting someone to score points...getting rebounds to create possessions for points to be scored...playing defense to prevent the other team from scoring

Total points is meaningless.....same way no one's going to say hank Aaron is the best baseball player ever because of home runs when Willie Mays was a much more well rounded player

Double nosign

First of all, you say, "theres more to basketball than just points". Well you're wrong about that. You mention assists, rebounds and defense. But assists, rebounds and defense are irrelevant at the end of the 4th quarter when the buzzer rings. When that buzzer rings at the end of the 4th quarter nobody is checking to see who had the most assists, or the most rebounds, or who played better defense. The only thing anybody cares about at the end of the 4th quarter is which team scored the most points.

Then you bring up Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Without doing a google search I'm pretty sure that Barry Bonds is the home run leader (I don't really follow baseball like that). But if you were going to put a baseball team together who would you pick, the person with the most home runs, or the most well rounded player? You'd be foolish to pick the most well rounded player over the person who has the most home runs.

You are aware that assists and rebounds lead to a team being able to score points.....without passing and getting the ball back on offense your not going to have the means to score enough points haha....and defense prevents another team from scoring more points than your team....to have more pts in the 4th quarter lol so none of that is meaningless....its all a means to the end

If I was building a team I'm picking the most well rounded player.....willie Mays did more things to help my team win than hank Aaron did

Lol your response was really weak

Robert Horey is probably the most well rounded player we've seen in our generation.

So you'd pick Robert Horey over Kareem?

LeBron is the most well rounded...you have to be trolling with these posts

There's a reason why teams don't build their teams with just homerun hitters or just scorers....that type of thinking is so simple minded....you need everything to be successful

 

[LUClEN]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Eminem.

Which is why your numbers / popularity arguments are weak.

 

[i ro ny]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Eminem.

Which is why your numbers / popularity arguments are weak.

Em dont have the impact of a Jay-z.

 

[5 Grand]

Neither LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Bird or anybody else scored as many points as Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Thats the objective of basketball, to score more points than your opponent. Fancy dunks and crossovers aren't important, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who scored the most points and thats Kareem.

There's more to basketball than just points......assisting someone to score points...getting rebounds to create possessions for points to be scored...playing defense to prevent the other team from scoring

Total points is meaningless.....same way no one's going to say hank Aaron is the best baseball player ever because of home runs when Willie Mays was a much more well rounded player

Double nosign

First of all, you say, "theres more to basketball than just points". Well you're wrong about that. You mention assists, rebounds and defense. But assists, rebounds and defense are irrelevant at the end of the 4th quarter when the buzzer rings. When that buzzer rings at the end of the 4th quarter nobody is checking to see who had the most assists, or the most rebounds, or who played better defense. The only thing anybody cares about at the end of the 4th quarter is which team scored the most points.

Then you bring up Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Without doing a google search I'm pretty sure that Barry Bonds is the home run leader (I don't really follow baseball like that). But if you were going to put a baseball team together who would you pick, the person with the most home runs, or the most well rounded player? You'd be foolish to pick the most well rounded player over the person who has the most home runs.

You are aware that assists and rebounds lead to a team being able to score points.....without passing and getting the ball back on offense your not going to have the means to score enough points haha....and defense prevents another team from scoring more points than your team....to have more pts in the 4th quarter lol so none of that is meaningless....its all a means to the end

If I was building a team I'm picking the most well rounded player.....willie Mays did more things to help my team win than hank Aaron did

Lol your response was really weak

Robert Horey is probably the most well rounded player we've seen in our generation.

So you'd pick Robert Horey over Kareem?

LeBron is the most well rounded...you have to be trolling with these posts

There's a reason why teams don't build their teams with just homerun hitters or just scorers....that type of thinking is so simple minded....you need everything to be successful

LeBron's career average is 23.8 points per game

Kareem's career average was 24.6 points per game

Are you saying you'd pick somebody who averages 23.8 points over somebody who averages 24.6 points?

 

[LUClEN]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

Eminem.

Which is why your numbers / popularity arguments are weak.

Em dont have the impact of a Jay-z.

You're right: Eminem had more impact.

 

[power_wisdom]

LeBron is the best basketball player ever....he is literally better at everything than Jordan except scoring

In terms of groat

Pac

Nas

Jay-Z

Jay could of better but the 2nd half of his career has but riddled with lackluster projects

And winning. And being clutch and dunking. Plus he been in the league since he was 18. 6-0 > 3-5.

Yeah but championships are such a cop out arguement...championships do not measure talent and I ignore that argument as it's just lazy.....robert Horry is one of the greats if that's the argument



Plus MJ played in a weak NBA...the talent LeBron plays against is so much better.....i know a lot of ppl have blinders on when talking about 90's basketball but it's true

You know very little about basketball I see. Jordan wasn't Horry. He lead his team. The game is played to win. Not counting championship is a weak cop out.

Robert Horry has championships...barkley doesnt...i guess Horry is better.....that argument holds no weight when talking about talented basketball players....unless it's a single person sport

Bill Russell has championships...no one puts him up with Jordan or LeBron or even kobe

I've been following basketball my whole life....im just realistic about it....watching Jordan vs watching LeBron is two different things....lebron is on whole nother level

Obviously you don't know much about basketball. Horry was a role player. Barkley was the team leader and most of the time franchise player. Horry never lead any nba to anywhere. Bill Russel is in the Goat conversation. He just not going to get that status. And he played against a bunch of tall white boys with little skill compare to comp level after the 70s. How can a loser (Because if you lose way more than you win that's what you are) be the Goat over someone who never went to game 7 and played when the East was actually competitive?

But your argument is championships....either go with championships or talent....if you go with talent who won more championships isn't important

Role player or not Horry won championships.....russell played tall white dudes and Jordan played in a watered down NBA....talent in the 90's was nothing compared to today or when LeBron came into the league....this is coming from someone who loved the nba in the 90's....but you have to call a spade a spade

Jordan had both. You can't dispute facts. And everyone know the league is water down now, not in the 90s. You was probably born in the 90s. You don't know what you are talking about. The Bulls was one of the best team in history. Fact. The East coast was tough back then fact. Nobody could stop Jordan in his prime. Fact

 

[Maywood]

Please lock this shit...

 

[CapitalB]

Neither LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Bird or anybody else scored as many points as Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Thats the objective of basketball, to score more points than your opponent. Fancy dunks and crossovers aren't important, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who scored the most points and thats Kareem.

There's more to basketball than just points......assisting someone to score points...getting rebounds to create possessions for points to be scored...playing defense to prevent the other team from scoring

Total points is meaningless.....same way no one's going to say hank Aaron is the best baseball player ever because of home runs when Willie Mays was a much more well rounded player

Double nosign

First of all, you say, "theres more to basketball than just points". Well you're wrong about that. You mention assists, rebounds and defense. But assists, rebounds and defense are irrelevant at the end of the 4th quarter when the buzzer rings. When that buzzer rings at the end of the 4th quarter nobody is checking to see who had the most assists, or the most rebounds, or who played better defense. The only thing anybody cares about at the end of the 4th quarter is which team scored the most points.

Then you bring up Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Without doing a google search I'm pretty sure that Barry Bonds is the home run leader (I don't really follow baseball like that). But if you were going to put a baseball team together who would you pick, the person with the most home runs, or the most well rounded player? You'd be foolish to pick the most well rounded player over the person who has the most home runs.

You are aware that assists and rebounds lead to a team being able to score points.....without passing and getting the ball back on offense your not going to have the means to score enough points haha....and defense prevents another team from scoring more points than your team....to have more pts in the 4th quarter lol so none of that is meaningless....its all a means to the end

If I was building a team I'm picking the most well rounded player.....willie Mays did more things to help my team win than hank Aaron did

Lol your response was really weak

Robert Horey is probably the most well rounded player we've seen in our generation.

So you'd pick Robert Horey over Kareem?

LeBron is the most well rounded...you have to be trolling with these posts

There's a reason why teams don't build their teams with just homerun hitters or just scorers....that type of thinking is so simple minded....you need everything to be successful

LeBron's career average is 23.8 points per game

Kareem's career average was 24.6 points per game

Are you saying you'd pick somebody who averages 23.8 points over somebody who averages 24.6 points?

u obviously dont play basketball..

it aint jus about points..

nigga u can score 50pts a game but if u aint got no D and ur man avg. 52 points a game JUS ON U THO.. u aint shit..

im takin a nigga who go avg 25.. give me 10 boards and 6-7 assists and hold his man under 20 over a nigga who can only score and cant get his team involved..

thats not Kareem im jus sayin u bein so obsessed wit scoring is flawed logic..

u can say the object of basketball is to score more points than ur opponent..

i can say the object is to keep ur opponent from scoring as much as u..

neither is wrong but even then its not so black and white.

 

[Karl.]

NOPE

He is

I'd take Nas over Jay any day of the week.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

If you're talking about actual rapping, then no. If you're talking about in terms of making the most out of a career in rap, then possibly.

 

[Mr 202]

LeBron is the best basketball player ever....he is literally better at everything than Jordan except scoring

In terms of groat

Pac

Nas

Jay-Z

Jay could of better but the 2nd half of his career has but riddled with lackluster projects

thats why i said earlier i dont even have Jordan at number 2..

LeBron will go down as the best ever but he aint at Kareem's level yet.. he gotta do it at his pace a few more years as Kareem had..

and i can make an argument that Magic is wven better than Jordan.. itll be hard fought and depended on who im debating i may lose.. but the other two.. nah..

hands down better..

im through arguin this JayZ shit tho.. i lost interest after i woke up..

i dont even fuck wit him that heavy like that.

but i respect that man and when he spits i actually take the time out and listen..

Nas jus talkin to be talkin..

he wasnt buyin artwork for 1million 10yrs ago..

perhaps talkin about it.. but actually livin the shit he talked about!!? nah..

same wit Mafioso BIG.. i mean we all listen to music for different reason and take from it different shit..

but im a realist..

i dont seek music to escape reality.. i need it to sorta define it.. u lose me as a listener when u get to gettin all "lyrical miracle" sayin shit i cant apply or have applied to life..

later on in Jays career i could relate to his shit.. so i fuck wit it.. and he aint boring like a Nas..

any nigga who think after 20+ years of Jay doin what he's been doin inside and outside of music aint the Greatest and ur choice of artist aint Pac..

u a hater..

You Saying lebron will go down as the basketball player ever makes me regret consigning for you on your other arguements.

This is a guy when you put Iggy,or draymond infront of him he will be signaling Steph's guy to bring steph and screen iggy before he makes a move.

You can't call lebron Goat when Jordan played the same game

Y'all need to stop

 

[Trillfate]

Everybody who votes no is Wrong.

Its not pac, its not nas, not biggie, not em, not rakim

Its been Jay for a while now.

He's done it all.

No other rapper has done it ALL.

Facts.

 

[trendsetta1030]

i jus wanna know what rapper has done more in and for hiphop than JayZ..

since we talkin about GREAT..

and im not askin who's better.. cause Jay aint even my favorite rapper..

You kno jay was 28 when pac n big got smoked …… they were 22 an 23 think about it …

This is part of the tragedy of their deaths.

But, because they don't have shit past their youth, they can't be GOATs imo. Not when so many other rappers have been around and survived all the changin' sounds. Pac would be Cube now for all we kno'

Pac changed the game In that time frame an his influence is still noticeable today yea longevity is good but pac was on iconic level b4 tha shit was even though of pac was is better then cube don't make that comparison

 

[CapitalB]

so let me get this straight..

say yall niggas have a son..

he aspires to be a rapper..

u go give that nigga a Nas tape.. or a Big tape and say "be like him.."

point to a Jay tape and shake ur head no in disgust..

"whatever u do son.. never be like Jay!"

hahahaha..

 

[Lefty_]

Be a rapper like Jay or be a business man like Jay? Because honestly, I'd tell my son to be Scarface or Nas before any other rapper.

 

[MeekMonizzLLLLLLe14]

The biggest knock on Jordan was he never beat a team that was better than him. He waited till the pistons made a few trades, and the Celtics and Lakers to get old. He never played a team in the finals that was truly a better team (even the first time vs the lakers that team was old).

As far as Jay the reason he is the GOAT is his combo of plaques/popularity mixed with his longevity to be hot for so long. I have seen jay and nas once and probally will see both again this year. Jay is doing shows at sold out arenas by me i gotta decide between the TD garden and Barclays. Nas is doing the same venue meek mill did in CT (Oakdale) which is a few thousand in the GA only setup they are doing for Nas. Jay is the GOAT because he has the best blend of quality albums and has the largest fanbase in rap outside of em.

I like how you gave supporting details instead of posting a meme...oh wait!

 

[bck145]

Neither LeBron, Jordan, Kobe, Bird or anybody else scored as many points as Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

Thats the objective of basketball, to score more points than your opponent. Fancy dunks and crossovers aren't important, at the end of the day the only thing that matters is who scored the most points and thats Kareem.

There's more to basketball than just points......assisting someone to score points...getting rebounds to create possessions for points to be scored...playing defense to prevent the other team from scoring

Total points is meaningless.....same way no one's going to say hank Aaron is the best baseball player ever because of home runs when Willie Mays was a much more well rounded player

Double nosign

First of all, you say, "theres more to basketball than just points". Well you're wrong about that. You mention assists, rebounds and defense. But assists, rebounds and defense are irrelevant at the end of the 4th quarter when the buzzer rings. When that buzzer rings at the end of the 4th quarter nobody is checking to see who had the most assists, or the most rebounds, or who played better defense. The only thing anybody cares about at the end of the 4th quarter is which team scored the most points.

Then you bring up Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. Without doing a google search I'm pretty sure that Barry Bonds is the home run leader (I don't really follow baseball like that). But if you were going to put a baseball team together who would you pick, the person with the most home runs, or the most well rounded player? You'd be foolish to pick the most well rounded player over the person who has the most home runs.

You are aware that assists and rebounds lead to a team being able to score points.....without passing and getting the ball back on offense your not going to have the means to score enough points haha....and defense prevents another team from scoring more points than your team....to have more pts in the 4th quarter lol so none of that is meaningless....its all a means to the end

If I was building a team I'm picking the most well rounded player.....willie Mays did more things to help my team win than hank Aaron did

Lol your response was really weak

Robert Horey is probably the most well rounded player we've seen in our generation.

So you'd pick Robert Horey over Kareem?

LeBron is the most well rounded...you have to be trolling with these posts

There's a reason why teams don't build their teams with just homerun hitters or just scorers....that type of thinking is so simple minded....you need everything to be successful

LeBron's career average is 23.8 points per game

Kareem's career average was 24.6 points per game

Are you saying you'd pick somebody who averages 23.8 points over somebody who averages 24.6 points?

Yes what don't u understand...scoring is not everything

Btw your stats are off LeBron averages 27.1 ppg....but even if your info was correct that's less than 1 pt per game....lebron avershrs 3.4 assists more per game...so that's at least 6 pts for his team....ill take the additional 6 pts my team gets from his assists over the 1 addition pt Kareem brings

LeBron is responsible for doing more and is more of an asset for his team

 

[GetoBoy]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Literally everything you said is your opinion and none of it is facts.... I think Jay is just as creative I'll take Jay best album which imo blueprint over Big best album for every person you hear say Jay got ethered you could find someone say takeover was better and wtf do being the best when you come out gotta do with being the best overall??? That makes no sense the nigga had only one album at the time and the shit would go down as a classic so what are you talking about.... And to be the best you have to have so kinda of longevity of doing something that's what separates you I mean imagine if every rapper stopped at they second album we'd look at hip hop a whole lot different

Jay checks every box to be the GROAT that don't mean he's #1 in every box no rapper is or else we wouldn't be having this decision but no rapper ever checks more boxes than Jay whether you wanna admit that or not making him the GROAT

Nigga everything you saying opinion not fact. Jay-z and people at the Roc said Nas beat him with Ether.Fact! Stop dick riding. Jay was lyrically his best during RD and Vol1. He dumbed it down after that. According to him. Fact! So if he wasn't better than Big when he was alive at his best lyrical. How is he better than him now? Nas got longevity and has a better discography. Fact! He beat him in a battle. And creatively, lyrically, is better. He is a better story teller, and is versatile with his content. Nas got one wack album. Jay got 5. Do the math.

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Like who? Who been doin' it high and not gettin' props? Debates involvin' Jig always turn into this. Niggas talk like we only rate Jay cah he's popular and don't rate anyone else.

Name them niggas who don't get props.

This another thing, no one is sayin' no one else hasnt done shit. The reason we have this discussion is coz there are a number of rappers who could be considered GOAT.

Ether is not a household term.

Jigga is still in the convo if we're just talkin' rappin' and music please let's not allow his other successes to blind us to this commonly held belief.

Common, Nas, Ghostface, Killah Priest, Sean Price, AZ, Mf Doom, KRS, LL, to name a few.

Nigga look at the options to rate a post. It says ether by goat and cosign right? I neaver heard anyone outside of the scientific community say ether before Nas. And even then I only heard it maybe once. Shit a hip-hop term now.

Jay got 5 wack albums??? Please name these albums?? And wtf don't you get about you have to show you can do something for a long period of time to be the greatest at it what other form of anything acting sports singing ANYTHING can you literally have 2 projects and be the greatest ever at it??? You sound like a salty ass nigga foh nigga said Nas got a better catalog is a fact who made this a fact you lol foh

 

[bck145]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Literally everything you said is your opinion and none of it is facts.... I think Jay is just as creative I'll take Jay best album which imo blueprint over Big best album for every person you hear say Jay got ethered you could find someone say takeover was better and wtf do being the best when you come out gotta do with being the best overall??? That makes no sense the nigga had only one album at the time and the shit would go down as a classic so what are you talking about.... And to be the best you have to have so kinda of longevity of doing something that's what separates you I mean imagine if every rapper stopped at they second album we'd look at hip hop a whole lot different

Jay checks every box to be the GROAT that don't mean he's #1 in every box no rapper is or else we wouldn't be having this decision but no rapper ever checks more boxes than Jay whether you wanna admit that or not making him the GROAT

Nigga everything you saying opinion not fact. Jay-z and people at the Roc said Nas beat him with Ether.Fact! Stop dick riding. Jay was lyrically his best during RD and Vol1. He dumbed it down after that. According to him. Fact! So if he wasn't better than Big when he was alive at his best lyrical. How is he better than him now? Nas got longevity and has a better discography. Fact! He beat him in a battle. And creatively, lyrically, is better. He is a better story teller, and is versatile with his content. Nas got one wack album. Jay got 5. Do the math.

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Like who? Who been doin' it high and not gettin' props? Debates involvin' Jig always turn into this. Niggas talk like we only rate Jay cah he's popular and don't rate anyone else.

Name them niggas who don't get props.

This another thing, no one is sayin' no one else hasnt done shit. The reason we have this discussion is coz there are a number of rappers who could be considered GOAT.

Ether is not a household term.

Jigga is still in the convo if we're just talkin' rappin' and music please let's not allow his other successes to blind us to this commonly held belief.

Common, Nas, Ghostface, Killah Priest, Sean Price, AZ, Mf Doom, KRS, LL, to name a few.

Nigga look at the options to rate a post. It says ether by goat and cosign right? I neaver heard anyone outside of the scientific community say ether before Nas. And even then I only heard it maybe once. Shit a hip-hop term now.

Jay got 5 wack albums??? Please name these albums?? And wtf don't you get about you have to show you can do something for a long period of time to be the best at at wtf other form of anything acting sports singing ANYTHING can you literally have 2 projects and be the greatest ever at it??? You sound like a salty ass nigga foh nigga said Nas got a better catalog is a fact who made this a fact you lol foh

Bp2,kingdom come,mchg,bp3, 4:44

That's not mentioning unfinished business and watch the throne

Let's stop pretending like your favorite rappers don't have weak albums....its like when ppl say nastramous isn't bad just not typical nas status...no it just sucks

 

[GetoBoy]

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Literally everything you said is your opinion and none of it is facts.... I think Jay is just as creative I'll take Jay best album which imo blueprint over Big best album for every person you hear say Jay got ethered you could find someone say takeover was better and wtf do being the best when you come out gotta do with being the best overall??? That makes no sense the nigga had only one album at the time and the shit would go down as a classic so what are you talking about.... And to be the best you have to have so kinda of longevity of doing something that's what separates you I mean imagine if every rapper stopped at they second album we'd look at hip hop a whole lot different

Jay checks every box to be the GROAT that don't mean he's #1 in every box no rapper is or else we wouldn't be having this decision but no rapper ever checks more boxes than Jay whether you wanna admit that or not making him the GROAT

Nigga everything you saying opinion not fact. Jay-z and people at the Roc said Nas beat him with Ether.Fact! Stop dick riding. Jay was lyrically his best during RD and Vol1. He dumbed it down after that. According to him. Fact! So if he wasn't better than Big when he was alive at his best lyrical. How is he better than him now? Nas got longevity and has a better discography. Fact! He beat him in a battle. And creatively, lyrically, is better. He is a better story teller, and is versatile with his content. Nas got one wack album. Jay got 5. Do the math.

What you keep failing to realize is this ain't sum make believe situation where we don't know who is on who's level we've SEEN Big and Jay perform together and have seen they are equals at worse so to sit here and try and compare songs we can do that all day but bottom line is they've rapped together so to ignore them rapping together and try and go verse for verse song for song or album for album is dumb..... They've been in the booth together multiple times and came out fairly even add that to the fact that Jay has matched him in any aspect of rapping you wanna bring up and he has every right to the claim of GROAT as Big if not more of a claim becuz he's done it at a high level longer

Jay not as good of a storyteller as Big. He is not as creative as Big. His best album wasn't better than Big best album. And most importantly no one ever said he was better than Big when he was alive. Nobody but his circle of friends. Jay is like the under achiever that rarely put in the work. He started out good but then started bullshiting. So when he does do well, people act like it's the best thing ever. Meanwhile you got others who been perform at a super high level all the long. But getting no props, because that's is expected of them. How can you be the best rapper when another rapper ethered you? Talk about impact. Nas made ether a house hold term. How can he be the best when you have a whole list of mcs with better albums? It's about rapping and music. Fuck that other shit.

Like who? Who been doin' it high and not gettin' props? Debates involvin' Jig always turn into this. Niggas talk like we only rate Jay cah he's popular and don't rate anyone else.

Name them niggas who don't get props.

This another thing, no one is sayin' no one else hasnt done shit. The reason we have this discussion is coz there are a number of rappers who could be considered GOAT.

Ether is not a household term.

Jigga is still in the convo if we're just talkin' rappin' and music please let's not allow his other successes to blind us to this commonly held belief.

Common, Nas, Ghostface, Killah Priest, Sean Price, AZ, Mf Doom, KRS, LL, to name a few.

Nigga look at the options to rate a post. It says ether by goat and cosign right? I neaver heard anyone outside of the scientific community say ether before Nas. And even then I only heard it maybe once. Shit a hip-hop term now.

Jay got 5 wack albums??? Please name these albums?? And wtf don't you get about you have to show you can do something for a long period of time to be the best at at wtf other form of anything acting sports singing ANYTHING can you literally have 2 projects and be the greatest ever at it??? You sound like a salty ass nigga foh nigga said Nas got a better catalog is a fact who made this a fact you lol foh

Bp2,kingdom come,mchg,bp3, 4:44

That's not mentioning unfinished business and watch the throne

Let's stop pretending like your favorite rappers don't have weak albums....its like when ppl say nastramous isn't bad just not typical nas status...no it just sucks

4:44 is a wack album???? Wtf version you got you must got that leaked tracklist version with the meek mill and Travis scott features smh