Is Emenim overrated????

[Question Authority]

I swear I'm reading the same words from you every time you post that it's starting to lose meaning. You seem to disregard that fact that Pun was up for a GRAMMY without the help of a machine behind him. He had a single that put the summer on smash "Still not a player" and that song "Deep Cover" with the infamous "dead in the middle of italy" line. Critical acclaim isn't the sole reason why Biggie is considered a GOAT and pun isn't. It's because Biggie showed us versatility in his music and rapped about shit the core hip hop audience could connect with. It's because he has a classic album as well as a great follow up. It's because his music stands the test of time (you think you'll hear old eminem cuts on the radio? lol). That's why.

Grammy does not equate to industry acclaim. I mean, these are the same people who gave Britney Spears an award but still haven't given Diana Ross one. They aren't credible.

Biggie has a case for GOAT because he has high industry acclaim, which equates to some form of impact. And impact is one of the prerequisites that determines the GOAT. Whatever you feel about Biggie is cool. But it can't be denied that RTD and LAD were both critically acclaimed and were met with high ratings by critics, consumers, and had high sales.

Same with Pac. And Em, too.

Pun's music was not that critically lauded. He had modest commercial success. His impact, musically, was mediocre.

A double platinum album and being nominated for a Grammy isn't enough to be considered a GOAT contender. And most seem to agree, considering Pun rarely gets mentioned in that conversation.

 

[isayas]

Jay and Nas are better than Em, but Em is still up there.

 

[illogics]

Grammy does not equate to industry acclaim. I mean, these are the same people who gave Britney Spears an award but still haven't given Diana Ross one. They aren't credible.

Biggie has a case for GOAT because he has high industry acclaim, which equates to some form of impact. And impact is one of the prerequisites that determines the GOAT. Whatever you feel about Biggie is cool. But it can't be denied that RTD and LAD were both critically acclaimed and were met with high ratings by critics, consumers, and had high sales.

Same with Pac. And Em, too.

Pun's music was not that critically lauded. He had modest commercial success. His impact, musically, was mediocre.

A double platinum album and being nominated for a Grammy isn't enough to be considered a GOAT contender. And most seem to agree, considering Pun rarely gets mentioned in that conversation.

Alright I can't tolerate reading the same words anymore. You think eminem is the GOAT and has more than 1 classic album while me and the majority on almost any hip hop forum you go too won't agree. But you have rolling stone and MTV to back you up. We'll have to Agree to disagree.

 

[Question Authority]

real talk, pretty much all the rappers on this board who yall praise today either wanna be associated with em in some way or worked with him already and gave him props as one of the best in the game. they know the talent he got. and if niggas like jigga, fab, mos def and black thought can look pass his subject matter why cant yall? it really aint that serious grow up kids lol.

This can't be denied.

Even the God emcee himself has acknowledged Em as one of the best to ever do it...regardless of subject matter.

And I'll take Rakim's opinion over anyone else in this thread. No question about it.

 

[illogics]

Jay and Nas are better than Em, but Em is still up there.

No doubt. I'm not saying he's NOT up there. I'm saying that he's overrated. I appreciate the way he puts words together but at the end of the day, I can't connect to his content which is a MAJOR must (which is also why people would die defending PAC as the undisputed GOAT because the way people connect to his content is incredible) He has little replay value to me and everyone else in my hip hop circle because of it. He's released a whole bunch of bullshit/silly ass singles fully equipped with costumes for added effect. People are impressed with his flow when other people kill shit lyrically (No more is this evident than in the BET cypher where people said he had the best verse rapping about Osama and Koala bears and Chihuahua's and neglect the fact that LYRICALLY thought came harder) The fact that I can't listen to his new material because he throws that bullshit ass voice on and talks about off the wall topics on Relapse with the only song resembling the EM I like was "underground". So yea, He will never be on the TOP of my list, He IS overrated, BUT I respect his skill.

 

[kj_da_midwest_mobsta]

I agree with this and that's what I've been trying to say this entire time.

Niggas dislike Em because he's white. There's no way to sugarcoat that shit anymore. It's too obvious.

He killed Jay on Renegade...and niggas is still not satisfied.

He committed first degree murder in that BET Cipher against Black Thought and Mos Def...and niggas is still not satisfied.

He murked both Masta Ace and Biggie on their respective collabos...and niggas is still not satisfied.

He shitted on Wayne, Drake, and Kanye...and niggas is still not satisfied.

He released two critically acclaimed, best selling albums...and niggas is still not satisfied.

Em's race is his biggest disadvantage...that's what I think stops him being mentioned amongst the GOATS. If he was black, it wouldn't be a problem. But, because he's white and arguably the best rapper alive right now, niggas are bitter.

Sad that we're in 2010 and people are still stuck on color

co-sign ........oh n gee757

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

Why can Eminem get away with getting mentored by a faggot like Elton John but Rick Ross cant get away with being a once former...Correctional Officer?

Eminem can be in videos Dressed Like madonna and Britney Spears but yall will Bash Rick Ross for Having a Job?

 

[isayas]

No doubt. I'm not saying he's NOT up there. I'm saying that he's overrated. I appreciate the way he puts words together but at the end of the day, I can't connect to his content which is a MAJOR must (which is also why people would die defending PAC as the undisputed GOAT because the way people connect to his content is incredible) He has little replay value to me and everyone else in my hip hop circle because of it. He's released a whole bunch of bullshit/silly ass singles fully equipped with costumes for added effect. People are impressed with his flow when other people kill shit lyrically (No more is this evident than in the BET cypher where people said he had the best verse rapping about Osama and Koala bears and Chihuahua's and neglect the fact that LYRICALLY thought came harder) The fact that I can't listen to his new material because he throws that bullshit ass voice on and talks about off the wall topics on Relapse with the only song resembling the EM I like was "underground". So yea, He will never be on the TOP of my list, He IS overrated, BUT I respect his skill.

You're wildin'. Em destroyed that cypher, and I predicted it and I was rite.

 

[makaveli4ever]

Why so much hate on em albums in this thread? He made one weak album to me. His first one is slept on and the eminem show might even be better then mmlp because its eminem being very diverse with his subject matter.

 

[illogics]

You're wildin'. Em destroyed that cypher, and I predicted it and I was rite.

Point proven. People just be caught up with the flow.

 

[dholt23]

shit if em is overrated then jay-z is 2

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

Eminem got niggaz under control,but we good at tearing our own down.

 

[kingblaze84]

if u dont like eminem then just say it smh. but overrated ? comeon bruh. hes proven to us that hes the truth, he put his life & problems on the mic n became a superstar, he crossed over to both blk n wht kids, he beat cannibis in a battle & destroyed jigga on renegade, obviously theres the sales success, huge cult following, & has always exemplified atleast 3 of the 4 elements of hiphop in his videos or concepts, has incredible lyrical prowesses (hes top 5 best lyricists of all time easy) , has diversified his music by experimenting w/ many diff't artists including Dido , Drake, Elton John, Wayne, 50 cent. I mean wat more do u want. Overrated = niggas who have done very little but are overhyped for nothing. Em was hands down the breakout artist of the decade, anyone who can accomplish all that n become a legend in hiphop is NOT overrated. smh yall niggas hate is crazy lol.

I agree. Eminem's grotesque subject matter hurts him in my top 5 list, but overall, his talent cannot be denied. Top 4 easy.

 

[Yung_Souf_Money]

Eminem can get away with calling blackwomen ****** bitches, but rick ross cant get away with being a CO.Ive seen 50 cent defend a racist like Eminem but he will destroy or hurt another brothas career just because he think he can but at the end he lost.he think the industry loves him when they find another Rapper just as great as Him they gonna drop his ass real quick.the White man got 50 cent doing all they dirty work

 

[t. webb]

Simply put No....I can't say he's overrated for the simple fact that would be like saying dude is get credit for a talent he doesn't have....dude can spit better than damn near everybody in the game. Punchlines, wordplay, flow, putting a song together...he can do it all...now has he had some crazy songs and weak albums...hell yeah...Encore was terrible to me and Relapse personally didn't live up to everyone expectations but I think that has to do with Dre beats cause he dumbout on most of the tracks....Em is rated correctly...Some where in the top 10 if not top 5...

 

[NevaChange]

Illogics & Yung_Souf_ Money - Keep doing what you're doing, cause you both made great points in this thread.

And LOL@ Infinite being a classic. Just ROFLMFAO!! Please fam.... that shit had weak production, rip-off flow from AZ/Nas, no impact, influence, no acclaim, and no success in any quarters of the hip hop community. Infinite sold about 30 copies when it dropped because it was trash. Nowhere near close to being a 5/5 classic. That's just a fact. Marshall was hot for a minute in 1999- 2002, and then he fell the fuck off and hasn't made a hot album since.

 

[gee757]

Eminem can get away with calling blackwomen ****** bitches, but rick ross cant get away with being a CO.Ive seen 50 cent defend a racist like Eminem but he will destroy or hurt another brothas career just because he think he can but at the end he lost.he think the industry loves him when they find another Rapper just as great as Him they gonna drop his ass real quick.the White man got 50 cent doing all they dirty work

REAL SPIT!,,,,these black oreoz wit feminemz redneck dick n they mouf kill me wit them they got a problem wit da BLACK MAN like ross who is doin BLACK MUSIK when he liez,,,..BUT when da white redneck LIEZ dissin da shit outtta black people & getz xposed them same stupid muuunkey azz oreoz thatz mad @ ross about that co shit aint got no problem wit da redneck makin a livin off of black musik that shit is pathetic i just smh @ these oreoz!..,,,& cuuuurly is a fuuuukin snitch who has a white redneck like feminem az a slavemaster so fuuuuk any & everythang that cumz outtta his muuuunkey mouf & fuuuk all yall oreoz thatz down wit redneckz rapin black musik,,,..

 

[isayas]

SMH@Illogics.

 

[Question Authority]

if u dont like eminem then just say it smh. but overrated ? comeon bruh. hes proven to us that hes the truth, he put his life & problems on the mic n became a superstar, he crossed over to both blk n wht kids, he beat cannibis in a battle & destroyed jigga on renegade, obviously theres the sales success, huge cult following, & has always exemplified atleast 3 of the 4 elements of hiphop in his videos or concepts, has incredible lyrical prowesses (hes top 5 best lyricists of all time easy) , has diversified his music by experimenting w/ many diff't artists including Dido , Drake, Elton John, Wayne, 50 cent. I mean wat more do u want. Overrated = niggas who have done very little but are overhyped for nothing. Em was hands down the breakout artist of the decade, anyone who can accomplish all that n become a legend in hiphop is NOT overrated. smh yall niggas hate is crazy lol.

This nigga knows what he's talking about.

 

[Soloman_The_Wise]

watch the stans sink this quickly...