Indian Hacker Group Leaks Data of 1.7 Million Snapchat Users After CEO’s ‘Poor Country’ Comments

[lazypakman]

We got nuff Indians over here. India's a poor country coz of the UK's colonisation of it.

Fuck 'em tho' can't stand them

But I do like fuckin' them Indian hoes.

Bangladeshi girls > Indian

 

[SolemnSauce]

That ain't cool, there are historical, cultural, and oppressive factors related to why there's poverty there. Cant just dismiss that and look at it at face value and take it for what it is.

Seems interesting info or links you can drop?

Google "why is there so much poverty in India"

 

[gns]

We got nuff Indians over here. India's a poor country coz of the UK's colonisation of it.

Fuck 'em tho' can't stand them

But I do like fuckin' them Indian hoes.

Bangladeshi girls > Indian

Tf is the difference

 

[Busta Carmichael]

Lmao at people defending indians.

You know they depise your black ass righ

According to the IC, everyone despise black people .........................................even black people. Stereotyping is a defense mechanism used by people that dont want to think past the surface. When you start asking the question why without the use of the stereotype. You understand they are just human and act similar to people in their same situation regardless of race or religion.

I've been there b....

Trust me.

They don't fuck with us...At ALL

 

[lazypakman]

We got nuff Indians over here. India's a poor country coz of the UK's colonisation of it.

Fuck 'em tho' can't stand them

But I do like fuckin' them Indian hoes.

Bangladeshi girls > Indian

Tf is the difference

A whole country for a start.

Bangladeshi girls are a lot more easy going and open to meddling outside of their own since the backlash isn't that intense as say a pakistani seeing an indian.

Plus on the whole they tend to be more attractive so there's that.

 

[caddo man]

Lmao at people defending indians.

You know they depise your black ass righ

According to the IC, everyone despise black people .........................................even black people. Stereotyping is a defense mechanism used by people that dont want to think past the surface. When you start asking the question why without the use of the stereotype. You understand they are just human and act similar to people in their same situation regardless of race or religion.

I've been there b....

Trust me.

They don't fuck with us...At ALL

If you have been there you know they caste system is a major problem over there. That shit is almost on a human rights calamity. Call a girl a dirty chamar still will make a mfer fight you? But Dalit get all the time.

What part were you in? New Delhi or Mumbai?

 

[leftcoastkev]

India doesn't even have to "hack" their shit because all these cheap ass American companies got Indians working for them.

Also I don't buy the bullshit claim that there's not enough skilled American IT workers.

Heard the go for outside IT workers from, India or China because they get to pay them less than Americans. A lot of the companies want people in IT with years of experience and certifications then, dont want to pay them the going rate. So they cant hire anyone because the pay doesnt match the demand and say no one is qualified and hire a foreign coder from a poorer country on a work visa to do it for less.

It isn't so much about IT as it is software engineering, quality assurance testing, and automation...by the companies that make products IT departments use.

As someone who has been all throughout Silicon Valley and has interviewed h1b1 candidates I can tell you that yes there is a bigger pool of h1b1s to hire from than Americans....... that are willing to work for less. India churns them out. Are they better than Americans? No. By and large....no. Even the Indians that came here and became citizens working here will tell you that. But with them H1B1s you can get 2 workers for the price of (a little over) one through a contract agency and get like 1.5 the amount of work done as an American worker..and it's much simpler to get rid of their ass than hiring a full timer. Sometimes it work out, sometimes it don't but it's easy to send them on their way when it don't.

I know I'm not gonna take NO shorts when it come to the money. But they will. When they interview they will bite a lot quicker than the typical "American" (such as myself) trying to weigh their options.

Them H1B1 visa cats come here and if they can't cut it and get laid off they gotta leave the country in like 2 weeks. Their expensive month to month apartment rents, any piece of shit car they bought, etc,....give it up and GTF up OH. Their whole existence is paranoia..produce or get the fuck out.

What I'm about to say will be unpopular but realistically, cutting H1B1s and hiring American workers ***may*** stagnate existing Americans workers wages and/or drive down the quality when the same amount of work can't get done. Think iPhones coming out every 2 years instead of one. It's almost like saying what's more profitable and efficient to the ones already on....getting indentured servants or hiring workers.

I'm not going to try to deny your experience with those VISA dudes but I don't see it the same way.

There might be slightly less IT workers in the American market but is it about quality / quantity ? You get more Indian workers where a lot of them are underqualified but there are more of them. The bar is actually lower for them because they're background is harder to verify. I've seen them send unqualified candidates (with a fake resume) and offer them to even work for free / less just to get a contract. Then the company brings them on and the project and team suffers because the rest of the team is pulling the weight. Sometimes they barely speak english. And if the client finally decides they don't want them, it doesn't matter - the Indian company has a whole lot more "freshers" ready to be hired.

Let's be honest - would an American be held to the same standard ?

Also, about the pay - if Americans are driving trucks and being security guards for $15 / hour, who is to say that an American wouldn't do QA for $25 - $30 / hr ?

You / I might not do it, because we have more experience but I guarantee I can find a MF who'll want that job.

At first bolded. Yes this does happen. Things move too fast, they can't keep up, their team leads get frustrated, and they sit there looking dumb and acting clueless. But a lot of times (not always) you can weed it out during the interview process...

I'm not saying hiring them is better. I'm providing the rationale behind it. Like I said you can get 1.5 the amount of production out 2 ppl but for only slightly more money than hiring one american. In other words in my opinion the work output of 1 H1B1 candidate is typically .75 of an American (if that). There is a lot of bullshit out there that muddles the waters like fake and padded resumes.

At second bolded. Yes and No. Depends on what either is hired for.

The worse way I've seen is to have them work on the latest technologies or work on projects with tight timelines. You can hold them to the same standards and there's a higher chance u will be sorry.

The best way to use them I've seen is to have them work on older legacy technologies and do the more mundane things (e.g. supporting QA of latest IOS updates to iPhone 6) while using American workers on the maintenance of the current release iPhone 7 and development cycle of the 8 and 9. You can hold them to the same standards and it typically works out because you've basically lowered the bar for them...and get to pay them even less.

At third bolded. An American worker will have access to more options and know how to navigate those options easier. Many times the fear is they will get on for that lower pay, get the job on their resume, and catch the first job offering them more pay (as they should if their getting crappy pay) vs. keeping the h1b1 on a perpetual string of near uncertainty. Thus the "overqualified" frustration many Americans go through.

 

[7figz]

India doesn't even have to "hack" their shit because all these cheap ass American companies got Indians working for them.

Also I don't buy the bullshit claim that there's not enough skilled American IT workers.

Heard the go for outside IT workers from, India or China because they get to pay them less than Americans. A lot of the companies want people in IT with years of experience and certifications then, dont want to pay them the going rate. So they cant hire anyone because the pay doesnt match the demand and say no one is qualified and hire a foreign coder from a poorer country on a work visa to do it for less.

It isn't so much about IT as it is software engineering, quality assurance testing, and automation...by the companies that make products IT departments use.

As someone who has been all throughout Silicon Valley and has interviewed h1b1 candidates I can tell you that yes there is a bigger pool of h1b1s to hire from than Americans....... that are willing to work for less. India churns them out. Are they better than Americans? No. By and large....no. Even the Indians that came here and became citizens working here will tell you that. But with them H1B1s you can get 2 workers for the price of (a little over) one through a contract agency and get like 1.5 the amount of work done as an American worker..and it's much simpler to get rid of their ass than hiring a full timer. Sometimes it work out, sometimes it don't but it's easy to send them on their way when it don't.

I know I'm not gonna take NO shorts when it come to the money. But they will. When they interview they will bite a lot quicker than the typical "American" (such as myself) trying to weigh their options.

Them H1B1 visa cats come here and if they can't cut it and get laid off they gotta leave the country in like 2 weeks. Their expensive month to month apartment rents, any piece of shit car they bought, etc,....give it up and GTF up OH. Their whole existence is paranoia..produce or get the fuck out.

What I'm about to say will be unpopular but realistically, cutting H1B1s and hiring American workers ***may*** stagnate existing Americans workers wages and/or drive down the quality when the same amount of work can't get done. Think iPhones coming out every 2 years instead of one. It's almost like saying what's more profitable and efficient to the ones already on....getting indentured servants or hiring workers.

I'm not going to try to deny your experience with those VISA dudes but I don't see it the same way.

There might be slightly less IT workers in the American market but is it about quality / quantity ? You get more Indian workers where a lot of them are underqualified but there are more of them. The bar is actually lower for them because they're background is harder to verify. I've seen them send unqualified candidates (with a fake resume) and offer them to even work for free / less just to get a contract. Then the company brings them on and the project and team suffers because the rest of the team is pulling the weight. Sometimes they barely speak english. And if the client finally decides they don't want them, it doesn't matter - the Indian company has a whole lot more "freshers" ready to be hired.

Let's be honest - would an American be held to the same standard ?

Also, about the pay - if Americans are driving trucks and being security guards for $15 / hour, who is to say that an American wouldn't do QA for $25 - $30 / hr ?

You / I might not do it, because we have more experience but I guarantee I can find a MF who'll want that job.

At first bolded. Yes this does happen. Things move too fast, they can't keep up, their team leads get frustrated, and they sit there looking dumb and acting clueless. But a lot of times (not always) you can weed it out during the interview process...

I'm not saying hiring them is better. I'm providing the rationale behind it. Like I said you can get 1.5 the amount of production out 2 ppl but for only slightly more money than hiring one american. In other words in my opinion the work output of 1 H1B1 candidate is typically .75 of an American (if that). There is a lot of bullshit out there that muddles the waters like fake and padded resumes.

At second bolded. Yes and No. Depends on what either is hired for.

The worse way I've seen is to have them work on the latest technologies or work on projects with tight timelines. You can hold them to the same standards and there's a higher chance u will be sorry.

The best way to use them I've seen is to have them work on older legacy technologies and do the more mundane things (e.g. supporting QA of latest IOS updates to iPhone 6) while using American workers on the maintenance of the current release iPhone 7 and development cycle of the 8 and 9. You can hold them to the same standards and it typically works out because you've basically lowered the bar for them...and get to pay them even less.

At third bolded. An American worker will have access to more options and know how to navigate those options easier. Many times the fear is they will get on for that lower pay, get the job on their resume, and catch the first job offering them more pay (as they should if their getting crappy pay) vs. keeping the h1b1 on a perpetual string of near uncertainty. Thus the "overqualified" frustration many Americans go through.

Good discussion, appreciate another perspective.

What I meant by the same standards was getting in with the same qualifications or vague background verification that they allow from the offshore workers. Also just about every Indian person I've worked with takes several trips back to India and misses days - but it's acceptable to the client.

As far as leaving for more pay, I'm pretty sure they'd leave for more pay too unless they're subcontracted or being sponsored but honestly, that point isn't really something you can hold against an American because anybody can leave any job (American / not).

I've seen them pay offshore / VISA folks less per hour and because of the inexperience, language barriers, switching out resources, and other shit, the project goes over-budget and over-schedule.

I'm just saying it's definitely 2 sides.

 

[Crude_]

I can't stand stand ppl from Indian.

Matter of fact I can't stand them more than white ppl

I can't stand stand ppl from Indian.

Matter of fact I can't stand them more than white ppl

Nah it aint that serious. They are trying to get on just like other races. Once you meet Indians from the UK then your whole idea about them change. Hell meet some from New Jersey.

The ones fresh off the boat would sour you to them quick but they are very weary of minorities. That comes from their belief in their cast system. Unless they see you working harder and smarter than them, they don't respect you. You really shouldnt give a fuck what they think but it gives you pride when you put them in their place.

They are just like other immigrants that come over (Africans and East Asians) that are used to being the top cast.

Fuck that shit

I'll never forget as a 18 year at my first job at Sams Club. An grown Indian man came in the store and bought some bread. Had the cashier call for a cart pusher (me) to bring his bread to his car for him.

And after that I seen how they was fucking with black ppl that worked there on some fuck shit

Bruh the visual of all this got me rolling.

 

[konceptjones]

What I'm about to say will be unpopular but realistically, cutting H1B1s and hiring American workers ***may*** stagnate existing Americans workers wages and/or drive down the quality when the same amount of work can't get done. Think iPhones coming out every 2 years instead of one. It's almost like saying what's more profitable and efficient to the ones already on....getting indentured servants or hiring workers.

They'll just outsource the work to Indian companies; they already do that shit now. You can hire a freelance Pajeet to code whatever you need for $5/hr or for a flat rate. A lot of startups already do this now. Think that latest Android or iOS app was written by an American? Nah b, the company might be here but the work was outsourced to Rajesh and 'nem through platforms like Upwork, Freelancer, or Guru. That's the way around hiring H1B's and with Upwork actively courting enterprise business customers to use the platform to outsource I can see a point where H1B restrictions will drive companies to use their service to get around it.

 

[konceptjones]

In case y'all don't know what it means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)

"In South Africa today, the term is regarded as highly racially offensive, in the same way as nigger in the United States and other English-speaking countries."

This is how Indians still view Black people to this day. Fuck 'em. Send 'em all back to their shit filled country.

 

[caddo man]

In case y'all don't know what it means:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaffir_(racial_term)

"In South Africa today, the term is regarded as highly racially offensive, in the same way as nigger in the United States and other English-speaking countries."

This is how Indians still view Black people to this day. Fuck 'em. Send 'em all back to their shit filled country.

http://www.pressreader.com/sri-lanka/sunday-times-sri-lanka/20150927/282153585086959/TextView

 

[leftcoastkev]

What I'm about to say will be unpopular but realistically, cutting H1B1s and hiring American workers ***may*** stagnate existing Americans workers wages and/or drive down the quality when the same amount of work can't get done. Think iPhones coming out every 2 years instead of one. It's almost like saying what's more profitable and efficient to the ones already on....getting indentured servants or hiring workers.

They'll just outsource the work to Indian companies; they already do that shit now. You can hire a freelance Pajeet to code whatever you need for $5/hr or for a flat rate. A lot of startups already do this now. Think that latest Android or iOS app was written by an American? Nah b, the company might be here but the work was outsourced to Rajesh and 'nem through platforms like Upwork, Freelancer, or Guru. That's the way around hiring H1B's and with Upwork actively courting enterprise business customers to use the platform to outsource I can see a point where H1B restrictions will drive companies to use their service to get around it.

No they won't. I'm in the mix of things in Silicon Valley. You may believe me, you may not, regardless the Indians and other management here (such as myself) are NOT putting their reputations on the line trusting outsourcing development or QA testing of new products to Indians in India for NO new shit. NONE. The Indians in India do QA testing and maintenance support of old shit...and every new release by ppl in America = old shit for them to maintain. Only new shit they touch is automation of QA testing IF local folks don't have that skill.

It doesn't matter how cheap they can make/develop/code the new shit. The face to face immediate-cy and ability to be in meetings on the fly is paramount and trumps the lowered cost of the outsourcing. Departments have Agile models and other daily accountability models and nobody wants to be looking like donkeys asses in meetings in PST time talkin bout they waiting on responses from overseas ppl in India or China time. Nobody wants to be accountable and stick their neck out for that. This is the culture. It's an everything "Right now" culture.

If a sweeping H1B law came down most companies would delay new releases before they put it in the hands of Indians in India or Chinese in China to make it happen. Nobody wants to depend on that shit. I am here. I am a factor. I would not.

Here, reputation is everything. I live off my name and the ppl who trust it knowing it brings results .

 

[konceptjones]

What I'm about to say will be unpopular but realistically, cutting H1B1s and hiring American workers ***may*** stagnate existing Americans workers wages and/or drive down the quality when the same amount of work can't get done. Think iPhones coming out every 2 years instead of one. It's almost like saying what's more profitable and efficient to the ones already on....getting indentured servants or hiring workers.

They'll just outsource the work to Indian companies; they already do that shit now. You can hire a freelance Pajeet to code whatever you need for $5/hr or for a flat rate. A lot of startups already do this now. Think that latest Android or iOS app was written by an American? Nah b, the company might be here but the work was outsourced to Rajesh and 'nem through platforms like Upwork, Freelancer, or Guru. That's the way around hiring H1B's and with Upwork actively courting enterprise business customers to use the platform to outsource I can see a point where H1B restrictions will drive companies to use their service to get around it.

No they won't. I'm in the mix of things in Silicon Valley. You may believe me, you may not, regardless the Indians and other management here (such as myself) are NOT putting their reputations on the line trusting outsourcing development or QA testing of new products to Indians in India for NO new shit. NONE. The Indians in India do QA testing and maintenance support of old shit...and every new release by ppl in America = old shit for them to maintain. Only new shit they touch is automation of QA testing IF local folks don't have that skill.

It doesn't matter how cheap they can make/develop/code the new shit. The face to face immediate-cy and ability to be in meetings on the fly is paramount and trumps the lowered cost of the outsourcing. Departments have Agile models and other daily accountability models and nobody wants to be looking like donkeys asses in meetings in PST time talkin bout they waiting on responses from overseas ppl in India or China time. Nobody wants to be accountable and stick their neck out for that. This is the culture. It's an everything "Right now" culture.

If a sweeping H1B law came down most companies would delay new releases before they put it in the hands of Indians in India or Chinese in China to make it happen. Nobody wants to depend on that shit. I am here. I am a factor. I would not.

Here, reputation is everything. I live off my name and the ppl who trust it knowing it brings results .

That's nice that you think that and all, especially if it helps you sleep at night, but they're already doing it. Startups and small companies from all over Silicon Valley are already using Upwork, Freelancer, and the like to outsource new product work (especially Android and iOS apps) to India, Ukraine, Russia, and all over SE Asia. How do I know this? Because clients must list their locations when posting new work and cities like Cupertino, Palo Alto, Sunnyvale, and Santa Clara frequently pop up particularly whenever I look for QA or I&T gigs. My last QA gig was for a Canadian company launching a Bitcoin Exchange, but I've done work for Silicon Valley companies in the past doing network security, QA, and systems administration. I've been beat out of the vast majority of jobs on Upwork by low balling Indians and because Upwork allows you to see who a client has worked with in the past you can clearly see a pattern when names like Deepesh and the like constantly pop up. Further, you can then look at the contractor's profile and find out that Deepesh lives in Udaipur, India and works for $6/hr and his last QA gig paid a flat rate of $5 to do some testing on iOS (yes... he was paid $5 whole dollars for iOS testing. Not $5/hr... $5 flat)

I don't know where you get it from but you don't have to wait for responses from overseas workers 'cause they work on YOUR time. I have a client right now from New Mexico that's got a guy from China working for him and the majority of the time dude is on and working with us during normal business hours. My very first client from Upwork (back when it was oDesk) had an entire team of Indians with me and one other cat being the only Americans on board. We had our morning meetings via teleconference and the Indians were never missing or late. All they care about is making money and if it takes working on Pacific time to make that bread then so be it.

I know you're in the thick of it in SV, but best believe ain't nobody delaying a release. Product delays mean lost revenue so that shit ain't gonna fly. If it means the culture has to change to get the shit out the door, best believe it will happen. I've only done QA/SI&T/I&T for 13 years (alongside everything else I do), none of which was in SV so what I've seen may be different. If we had a deadline to meet we did it or we had better have a damned good reason for our timeline slipping and not having bodies to finish a project was never a good excuse.

 

[leftcoastkev]

Startups and small companies from all over Silicon Valley are already using Upwork, Freelancer, and the like to outsource new product work (especially Android and iOS apps) to India, Ukraine, Russia, and all over SE Asia.

We may be talking from 2 different viewpoints. You're referring to startups and small companies. Im referring to companies like Apple, Cisco, Arista, Citrix, Juniper, etc. I have never seen those in this list outsource new product development or new product QA. I'm not saying it has never happened, I've never seen it.

I wasn't talking mobile apps I'm talking product releases like the iPhone itself and the underlying firmware, a switch, router, firewall platform or new features going in them. If I was developing a mobile app as an individual entrepreneur or with a couple of some partners, I personally probably would outsource the development to save the money and (hopefully) get the expertise.

I don't know where you get it from but you don't have to wait for responses from overseas workers 'cause they work on YOUR time.

Again are you talking startups and small companies or are you talking enterprise level companies? While they may be required to be dialed into meetings at 9pm or 10pm west coast time occasionally I have never seen -insert company's name here- Indian branch in Bangalore adjust an entire teams hours to work and be accessible in west coast time. Again, not saying it's never happened, I just have never seen it. Maybe its a normalcy for startups and small companies. Besides a couple of consulting gigs years ago I don't dealt with them much.

 

[konceptjones]

Startups and small companies from all over Silicon Valley are already using Upwork, Freelancer, and the like to outsource new product work (especially Android and iOS apps) to India, Ukraine, Russia, and all over SE Asia.

We may be talking from 2 different viewpoints. You're referring to startups and small companies. Im referring to companies like Apple, Cisco, Arista, Citrix, Juniper, etc. I have never seen those in this list outsource new product development or new product QA. I'm not saying it has never happened, I've never seen it.

I wasn't talking mobile apps I'm talking product releases like the iPhone itself and the underlying firmware, a switch, router, firewall platform or new features going in them. If I was developing a mobile app as an individual entrepreneur or with a couple of some partners, I personally probably would outsource the development to save the money and (hopefully) get the expertise.

I don't know where you get it from but you don't have to wait for responses from overseas workers 'cause they work on YOUR time.

Again are you talking startups and small companies or are you talking enterprise level companies? While they may be required to be dialed into meetings at 9pm or 10pm west coast time occasionally I have never seen -insert company's name here- Indian branch in Bangalore adjust an entire teams hours to work and be accessible in west coast time. Again, not saying it's never happened, I just have never seen it. Maybe its a normalcy for startups and small companies. Besides a couple of consulting gigs years ago I don't dealt with them much.

SV startups and small companies use freelance contractors from the aforementioned sites all the time. I haven't seen larger SV companies, however some pretty well known companies outside of SV use freelancers all the time (I interviewed with SoftNAS a couple of years ago through Upwork and have done work with some prominent regional MSP's and still have two of them under contract right now).

As for what is being produced it's a lot more than just mobile apps. Lots of web applications, lots of ecommerce based shit, lots of desktop/server software, even hardware design. I did some prototyping as well as hardware integration and test work for an LA based company designing a full body immersion system for use with the Oculus Rift back in 2014 through oDesk. I actually spec'd the whole shit out and was able to find ways to do wireless, extremely low latency HDMI and USB connections which made it possible to do this whole thing completely untethered. You'd be surprised at what's being done.