In poll after poll, why are so many Americans so dissatisfied with America today?

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zombie;7400796 said:
kingblaze84;7399968 said:
hoesarefun;7394607 said:
because americans have a sense of entitlement and a warped view of what america is supposed to be

75% of Americans though? Seems it's deeper then that, the numbers weren't always like this and all races feel about the same way. Blacks are more dissatisfied then almost anyone, most Blacks have a sense of entitlement huh? Sounds like some Rush Limbaugh or Bill O' Reilly shit

yes 75% of americans have always lived in LA-LA land never excepting the reality in which they live. why do you think that in every election people vote against their economic interest ?? the average american is emotional not logical we are lead by our bellies and not our heads and it's been that way since the soliders came home from ww2 and i can bet you that the percentage of americans who feel things are getting better will increase when obama is gone.

I don't know if Obama being gone from office will automatically make people feel more confident in America's present or future, it could go either way, depending on who takes his place. Things could be worse, better or the same.

And I do agree Americans generally are an emotional people, compared to nations worldwide who often are more pragmatic and less involved in the business of other nations compared to us. But are you saying basically that Americans SHOULD be satisfied with the state of the country?? If so why, and if not, then it will be awhile before Americans realize the horrible voting choices they have made the last few years or even decades.
 
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FuriousOne;7401734 said:
There was only one point in history when shit was all good, and that was due to propaganda in the 50s. If you weren't thrown on a list, you were lumped in with all the other people who were said to have the American Dream (unless you were minority) Trust in the fact that black folks were not included in those numbers as we were getting lynched and forced off the road into the gutter. Most of those polls indicate that crackers want their plantations back.

Hmm, I don't know maybe I know older Black people who do better then avg or something but a lot of them say things seemed much more relaxed and calm economically and socially back in the 90s and late 80s. They all say cost of living was cheaper then now, and most of them still work. Even the early 2000s, according to Gallup, saw Americans in a more positive mood, and that cuts across all racial boundaries

I know what you trying to say though
 
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kingblaze84;7402650 said:
FuriousOne;7401734 said:
There was only one point in history when shit was all good, and that was due to propaganda in the 50s. If you weren't thrown on a list, you were lumped in with all the other people who were said to have the American Dream (unless you were minority) Trust in the fact that black folks were not included in those numbers as we were getting lynched and forced off the road into the gutter. Most of those polls indicate that crackers want their plantations back.

Hmm, I don't know maybe I know older Black people who do better then avg or something but a lot of them say things seemed much more relaxed and calm economically and socially back in the 90s and late 80s. They all say cost of living was cheaper then now, and most of them still work. Even the early 2000s, according to Gallup, saw Americans in a more positive mood, and that cuts across all racial boundaries

I know what you trying to say though

More calm socially in the 90s and 80s. LMAO. You mean the crack era? smh. Black folks weren't eating back then. I guess crackers were doing good sniffing coke and raping the economy. I will say cost of living was cheaper, but then everybody wasn't trying to go to college and get a house then. Most jobs was working class and people were satisfied with that because industries weren't sent over seas, but that stuff started showing its face in the 90s. I guess people thought it was sweet because of the fall of the Berlin wall and no wars, but the hood was far more fucked up back then. I see those polls only serving a certain type of people.
 
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kingblaze84;7399958 said:
I wonder how that will effect the immigration debate down the line as White Hispanics increase. I'm guessing they will be tougher and tougher on immigration, as most Americans are turning like this lately. One reason why Obama hasn't done more on amnesty the way many Hispanics want
it actually seems like more of an age/generation thing: the longer immigrants are here, or the further removed from the actual immigration their descendants are, the tougher they are on immigration. which is really not surprising.

 
FuriousOne;7402960 said:
kingblaze84;7402650 said:
FuriousOne;7401734 said:
There was only one point in history when shit was all good, and that was due to propaganda in the 50s. If you weren't thrown on a list, you were lumped in with all the other people who were said to have the American Dream (unless you were minority) Trust in the fact that black folks were not included in those numbers as we were getting lynched and forced off the road into the gutter. Most of those polls indicate that crackers want their plantations back.

Hmm, I don't know maybe I know older Black people who do better then avg or something but a lot of them say things seemed much more relaxed and calm economically and socially back in the 90s and late 80s. They all say cost of living was cheaper then now, and most of them still work. Even the early 2000s, according to Gallup, saw Americans in a more positive mood, and that cuts across all racial boundaries

I know what you trying to say though

More calm socially in the 90s and 80s. LMAO. You mean the crack era? smh. Black folks weren't eating back then. I guess crackers were doing good sniffing coke and raping the economy. I will say cost of living was cheaper, but then everybody wasn't trying to go to college and get a house then. Most jobs was working class and people were satisfied with that because industries weren't sent over seas, but that stuff started showing its face in the 90s. I guess people thought it was sweet because of the fall of the Berlin wall and no wars, but the hood was far more fucked up back then. I see those polls only serving a certain type of people.

Most Black folks weren't eating in the 90s? IDK about that lol, but we agree cost of living was much cheaper then and that is probably clouding the way many Americans feel about today's time. Sadly, those days aren't gonna come back, the debt is way too massive now and with the moves China and Russia are making behind the scenes, the dollar could lose more of its power. This is what American and Asian sources are saying. I HOPE those sources are wrong, with better politicians this problem can be improved, if Americans are willing to swallow a diff standard of living....Crack era 80s was bad of course but I said the late 80s, a time in which older people have told me things were getting a little better, maybe that's not true but it's what I hear. Industries shipping jobs overseas is one of the big killers of the way Americans feel about today's job market, especially the ones without higher education. Crimes is down now, especially in the hood I will give you that
 
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janklow;7403588 said:
kingblaze84;7399958 said:
I wonder how that will effect the immigration debate down the line as White Hispanics increase. I'm guessing they will be tougher and tougher on immigration, as most Americans are turning like this lately. One reason why Obama hasn't done more on amnesty the way many Hispanics want
it actually seems like more of an age/generation thing: the longer immigrants are here, or the further removed from the actual immigration their descendants are, the tougher they are on immigration. which is really not surprising.

Yeah, should be interesting in how Republicans and Democrats treat them before the midterm elections...
 
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kingblaze84;7404273 said:
FuriousOne;7402960 said:
kingblaze84;7402650 said:
FuriousOne;7401734 said:
There was only one point in history when shit was all good, and that was due to propaganda in the 50s. If you weren't thrown on a list, you were lumped in with all the other people who were said to have the American Dream (unless you were minority) Trust in the fact that black folks were not included in those numbers as we were getting lynched and forced off the road into the gutter. Most of those polls indicate that crackers want their plantations back.

Hmm, I don't know maybe I know older Black people who do better then avg or something but a lot of them say things seemed much more relaxed and calm economically and socially back in the 90s and late 80s. They all say cost of living was cheaper then now, and most of them still work. Even the early 2000s, according to Gallup, saw Americans in a more positive mood, and that cuts across all racial boundaries

I know what you trying to say though

More calm socially in the 90s and 80s. LMAO. You mean the crack era? smh. Black folks weren't eating back then. I guess crackers were doing good sniffing coke and raping the economy. I will say cost of living was cheaper, but then everybody wasn't trying to go to college and get a house then. Most jobs was working class and people were satisfied with that because industries weren't sent over seas, but that stuff started showing its face in the 90s. I guess people thought it was sweet because of the fall of the Berlin wall and no wars, but the hood was far more fucked up back then. I see those polls only serving a certain type of people.

Most Black folks weren't eating in the 90s? IDK about that lol, but we agree cost of living was much cheaper then and that is probably clouding the way many Americans feel about today's time. Sadly, those days aren't gonna come back, the debt is way too massive now and with the moves China and Russia are making behind the scenes, the dollar could lose more of its power. This is what American and Asian sources are saying. I HOPE those sources are wrong, with better politicians this problem can be improved, if Americans are willing to swallow a diff standard of living....Crack era 80s was bad of course but I said the late 80s, a time in which older people have told me things were getting a little better, maybe that's not true but it's what I hear. Industries shipping jobs overseas is one of the big killers of the way Americans feel about today's job market, especially the ones without higher education. Crimes is down now, especially in the hood I will give you that

The late 80s and early 90s was the crack erra and gangs and death was at an all time high then. I was responding to your moment of calm statement though, but i guess if your are speaking about economic calm, it didn't seem sweeter, but that's because all the fuckery was being masked and nobody was doing anything to prevent the economic collapse that occurred. I mean, it would be obvious that a recession and cost of living increase that has been happening year after year would make people salty. Regardless, black folks were always under employed and had high unemployment rates and jail rates. I can't be concerned with crackers and Asians. Many industries have started coming home within the last few years and there are many home grown industries like Tesla and Makerbot that is growing. Regardless, technology no matter where at, will erode jobs.
 
FuriousOne;7404744 said:
kingblaze84;7404273 said:
FuriousOne;7402960 said:
kingblaze84;7402650 said:
FuriousOne;7401734 said:
There was only one point in history when shit was all good, and that was due to propaganda in the 50s. If you weren't thrown on a list, you were lumped in with all the other people who were said to have the American Dream (unless you were minority) Trust in the fact that black folks were not included in those numbers as we were getting lynched and forced off the road into the gutter. Most of those polls indicate that crackers want their plantations back.

Hmm, I don't know maybe I know older Black people who do better then avg or something but a lot of them say things seemed much more relaxed and calm economically and socially back in the 90s and late 80s. They all say cost of living was cheaper then now, and most of them still work. Even the early 2000s, according to Gallup, saw Americans in a more positive mood, and that cuts across all racial boundaries

I know what you trying to say though

More calm socially in the 90s and 80s. LMAO. You mean the crack era? smh. Black folks weren't eating back then. I guess crackers were doing good sniffing coke and raping the economy. I will say cost of living was cheaper, but then everybody wasn't trying to go to college and get a house then. Most jobs was working class and people were satisfied with that because industries weren't sent over seas, but that stuff started showing its face in the 90s. I guess people thought it was sweet because of the fall of the Berlin wall and no wars, but the hood was far more fucked up back then. I see those polls only serving a certain type of people.

Most Black folks weren't eating in the 90s? IDK about that lol, but we agree cost of living was much cheaper then and that is probably clouding the way many Americans feel about today's time. Sadly, those days aren't gonna come back, the debt is way too massive now and with the moves China and Russia are making behind the scenes, the dollar could lose more of its power. This is what American and Asian sources are saying. I HOPE those sources are wrong, with better politicians this problem can be improved, if Americans are willing to swallow a diff standard of living....Crack era 80s was bad of course but I said the late 80s, a time in which older people have told me things were getting a little better, maybe that's not true but it's what I hear. Industries shipping jobs overseas is one of the big killers of the way Americans feel about today's job market, especially the ones without higher education. Crimes is down now, especially in the hood I will give you that

The late 80s and early 90s was the crack erra and gangs and death was at an all time high then. I was responding to your moment of calm statement though, but i guess if your are speaking about economic calm, it didn't seem sweeter, but that's because all the fuckery was being masked and nobody was doing anything to prevent the economic collapse that occurred. I mean, it would be obvious that a recession and cost of living increase that has been happening year after year would make people salty. Regardless, black folks were always under employed and had high unemployment rates and jail rates. I can't be concerned with crackers and Asians. Many industries have started coming home within the last few years and there are many home grown industries like Tesla and Makerbot that is growing. Regardless, technology no matter where at, will erode jobs.

I hear what you saying, Americans economically are still nostalgic about the 90s (look at Bill Clinton's high poll numbers, even among the Black community then and now ) and maybe the people I talk to did better in the late 80s and 90s compared to most. Cost of living is probably the biggest reason for this, which is ironic considering everything you said.

Technology without a doubt is eroding many former high paying jobs and that's adding to the problems Americans have. The educated and gifted can take advantage of this new technology though, maybe that will help lift the tides of others. Hopefully some kind of comeback is made, politically and economically.
 
kingblaze84;7402627 said:
zombie;7400796 said:
kingblaze84;7399968 said:
hoesarefun;7394607 said:
because americans have a sense of entitlement and a warped view of what america is supposed to be

75% of Americans though? Seems it's deeper then that, the numbers weren't always like this and all races feel about the same way. Blacks are more dissatisfied then almost anyone, most Blacks have a sense of entitlement huh? Sounds like some Rush Limbaugh or Bill O' Reilly shit

yes 75% of americans have always lived in LA-LA land never excepting the reality in which they live. why do you think that in every election people vote against their economic interest ?? the average american is emotional not logical we are lead by our bellies and not our heads and it's been that way since the soliders came home from ww2 and i can bet you that the percentage of americans who feel things are getting better will increase when obama is gone.

I don't know if Obama being gone from office will automatically make people feel more confident in America's present or future, it could go either way, depending on who takes his place. Things could be worse, better or the same.

And I do agree Americans generally are an emotional people, compared to nations worldwide who often are more pragmatic and less involved in the business of other nations compared to us. But are you saying basically that Americans SHOULD be satisfied with the state of the country?? If so why, and if not, then it will be awhile before Americans realize the horrible voting choices they have made the last few years or even decades.

all people should strive to better the nations they are living in but americans don't keep things in perspective and that's why they whine so much.
 
kingblaze84;7404297 said:
Yeah, should be interesting in how Republicans and Democrats treat them before the midterm elections...
right now, i think everyone's pretending no one cares about immigration so Democrats can attempt to win in red states

 
zombie;7405976 said:
kingblaze84;7402627 said:
zombie;7400796 said:
kingblaze84;7399968 said:
hoesarefun;7394607 said:
because americans have a sense of entitlement and a warped view of what america is supposed to be

75% of Americans though? Seems it's deeper then that, the numbers weren't always like this and all races feel about the same way. Blacks are more dissatisfied then almost anyone, most Blacks have a sense of entitlement huh? Sounds like some Rush Limbaugh or Bill O' Reilly shit

yes 75% of americans have always lived in LA-LA land never excepting the reality in which they live. why do you think that in every election people vote against their economic interest ?? the average american is emotional not logical we are lead by our bellies and not our heads and it's been that way since the soliders came home from ww2 and i can bet you that the percentage of americans who feel things are getting better will increase when obama is gone.

I don't know if Obama being gone from office will automatically make people feel more confident in America's present or future, it could go either way, depending on who takes his place. Things could be worse, better or the same.

And I do agree Americans generally are an emotional people, compared to nations worldwide who often are more pragmatic and less involved in the business of other nations compared to us. But are you saying basically that Americans SHOULD be satisfied with the state of the country?? If so why, and if not, then it will be awhile before Americans realize the horrible voting choices they have made the last few years or even decades.

all people should strive to better the nations they are living in but americans don't keep things in perspective and that's why they whine so much.

Hard to tell Americans to stop whining when inflation and cost of living is out of control for so many....even with perspective, it always comes back to the pocket book. When the war in Syria escalates and we become more bankrupt, Americans will look at these days as the good old days....all because Americans often do things against their self interest as you said
 
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janklow;7406891 said:
kingblaze84;7404297 said:
Yeah, should be interesting in how Republicans and Democrats treat them before the midterm elections...
right now, i think everyone's pretending no one cares about immigration so Democrats can attempt to win in red states

Yeah I haven't heard much about immigration from Dems lately, just stuff about women's rights and raising the minimum wage. Not sure if this will be enough to help them win, these things aren't exactly in most peoples' minds now (minus abortion rights which is always big for women)
 
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kingblaze84;7407146 said:
Yeah I haven't heard much about immigration from Dems lately, just stuff about women's rights and raising the minimum wage. Not sure if this will be enough to help them win, these things aren't exactly in most peoples' minds now (minus abortion rights which is always big for women)
well, by hitting the womens' rights stuff, they're trying to get female voters out to the polls, and by hitting the minimum wage, they're trying to push the populism (which is a little bullshit since the concept of the Koches being EVIL AS SHIT but Steyr and Bloomberg and blah blah blah being Righteous Warriors for Truth is, of course, hypocritical). so i get these things.

but either way, they're kind of playing a double game on immigration

 
janklow;7410055 said:
kingblaze84;7407146 said:
Yeah I haven't heard much about immigration from Dems lately, just stuff about women's rights and raising the minimum wage. Not sure if this will be enough to help them win, these things aren't exactly in most peoples' minds now (minus abortion rights which is always big for women)
well, by hitting the womens' rights stuff, they're trying to get female voters out to the polls, and by hitting the minimum wage, they're trying to push the populism (which is a little bullshit since the concept of the Koches being EVIL AS SHIT but Steyr and Bloomberg and blah blah blah being Righteous Warriors for Truth is, of course, hypocritical). so i get these things.

but either way, they're kind of playing a double game on immigration

Yeah I hear that, raising the minimum wage sounds good in some ways but in other ways it would hurt small businesses who barely make a profit, so the business community beyond the Koch brothers are gonna be a pain in the ass for Dems in November. Playing a double game on immigration is a smart move for Dems, good way to lead Hispanics on and not piss off the many Americans who are already mad about the border

Even after the midterm elections, I don't think Obama will go as big on amnesty as people may think. Then again, he is known to surprise us (if Republicans capture the Senate and House you can disregard this sentence)
 
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kingblaze84;7410763 said:
Playing a double game on immigration is a smart move for Dems, good way to lead Hispanics on and not piss off the many Americans who are already mad about the border
counterpoint: Americans who are furious about amnesty are PROBABLY not believing the Democrat position on this, and many Hispanic dudes are more "pissed off" than "led on." although i am not sure who they're voting for if immigration is their #1 issue.

might just all come down to the specifics of individual races, i guess
 
janklow;7413425 said:
kingblaze84;7410763 said:
Playing a double game on immigration is a smart move for Dems, good way to lead Hispanics on and not piss off the many Americans who are already mad about the border
counterpoint: Americans who are furious about amnesty are PROBABLY not believing the Democrat position on this, and many Hispanic dudes are more "pissed off" than "led on." although i am not sure who they're voting for if immigration is their #1 issue.

might just all come down to the specifics of individual races, i guess

That's the funny thing, for most Hispanics, immigration is not the # 1 issue, it's the economy

The economy is the biggest issue for most Americans now, terrorism is probably second now
 
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