I'm tired of the old Legendary rappers gettin way more credit than they deserve...!

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king hassan;3415796 said:
What you listening to now is gonna be old school one day homie

exactly, and you fools continuously dissing the artists of the now (Im not talking of many of the new artist especially them from the south Waka and Co.) but when I come on the IC and I see a nigga say Jay-Z isnt up there at the top of the GOAT lists thats a slap in the face to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a DMX getting no consideration for GOAT after he's dropped numerous classic material thats a slap to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a nigga dissing even a Eminem, Kanye, 50 cent, Wayne, or T.I. (just naming names off the top) when they've contributed major to this hip hop shyt as the older heads I take an offense to it... Hip Hop was more appreciated back then because people weren't as highly critical of everything that was made and every1 gave it a chance... People instantly writing off good music nowadays w/o even giving it an honest ear... Fans in hip hop are more biased than ever and thats what really brings the music of today down... There isnt real fans of music anymore...
 
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joeyfkncrakk;3415975 said:
exactly, and you fools continuously dissing the artists of the now (Im not talking of many of the new artist especially them from the south Waka and Co.) but when I come on the IC and I see a nigga say Jay-Z isnt up there at the top of the GOAT lists thats a slap in the face to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a DMX getting no consideration for GOAT after he's dropped numerous classic material thats a slap to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a nigga dissing even a Eminem, Kanye, 50 cent, Wayne, or T.I. (just naming names off the top) when they've contributed major to this hip hop shyt as the older heads I take an offense to it... Hip Hop was more appreciated back then because people weren't as highly critical of everything that was made and every1 gave it a chance... People instantly writing off good music nowadays w/o even giving it an honest ear... Fans in hip hop are more biased than ever and thats what really brings the music of today down... There isnt real fans of music anymore...

when u come on the IC and see someone dissing a rapper, your should slap yourself for being offended in the first place

do u not know how the internet works?

based on what u said above, ur gonna life a long life of E-arguing with strangers about shit that dont even matter

the IC has the most uneducated hip hop presence ive ever come across in my 31 years of life. or they all just say some b.s. to get a rise outta ppl, similiar to calling what some ppl consider legends over-hyped.
whereas the ppl i see in person arent trying to fuck with me, arent typing out of boredom and sincerely wanna discuss the state of hip hop. do u not get this?
 
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joeyfkncrakk;3415975 said:
exactly, and you fools continuously dissing the artists of the now (Im not talking of many of the new artist especially them from the south Waka and Co.) but when I come on the IC and I see a nigga say Jay-Z isnt up there at the top of the GOAT lists thats a slap in the face to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a DMX getting no consideration for GOAT after he's dropped numerous classic material thats a slap to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a nigga dissing even a Eminem, Kanye, 50 cent, Wayne, or T.I. (just naming names off the top) when they've contributed major to this hip hop shyt as the older heads I take an offense to it... Hip Hop was more appreciated back then because people weren't as highly critical of everything that was made and every1 gave it a chance... People instantly writing off good music nowadays w/o even giving it an honest ear... Fans in hip hop are more biased than ever and thats what really brings the music of today down... There isnt real fans of music anymore...
And at the end of the day it comes down to personal taste. I grew up in the 80's *38 year old post* and I dj'd a number of years so I've heard more than the radio and countless mixes and callabos. If it's something I don't personally like I just don't like it. And to me some cats when I was growing up were hot some so so and some just plain ole shitty rappers. And the cats today just don't turn my ear, I can't relate to them, just like your pops and uncles can't relate to them, and your grandparents can't relate. It's generational. And not to say some stuff I hear now don't make me nod my head because it does, more or less the beat. But as soon as you say you don't like something you hating, I never was a Pac fiend, or Biggie for that matter but cats get all in a knot when you say that. Like what you like homie, fuck whatevery body else say. And if cats like ole shool let them!
 
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they will always get credit, think about it, if it wasnt for them this whole rap thing wouldnt be here at all...
 
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and you fools continuously dissing the artists of the now (Im not talking of many of the new artist especially them from the south Waka and Co.) but when I come on the IC and I see a nigga say Jay-Z isnt up there at the top of the GOAT lists thats a slap in the face to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a DMX getting no consideration for GOAT after he's dropped numerous classic material thats a slap to what he's done... When I come on the IC and I see a nigga dissing even a Eminem, Kanye, 50 cent, Wayne, or T.I. (just naming names off the top) when they've contributed major to this hip hop shyt as the older heads I take an offense to it... Hip Hop was more appreciated back then because people weren't as highly critical of everything that was made and every1 gave it a chance... People instantly writing off good music nowadays w/o even giving it an honest ear... Fans in hip hop are more biased than ever and thats what really brings the music of today down... There isnt real fans of music anymore...

I hear what you're saying. The greats of today (Jay kanye Em) arent usually ranked over the golden age greats (KRS Ra G Rap Kane) by older dudes and younger dudes who agree with them. But I think as long as they're respected by those who don't share your goat opinion, it should be all good (it actaully shouldnt matter cause its the internet but we all on here cause we feel strong about hip hop). Like my top 5 have those older guys in it. But I respect what BIG Nas Pac Jay have done for the game/done in the game. And people disagreeing with me doesnt bother me much. But I actually think the legends get underrated as the years go by cause people dont get how radical their contributions were for the time. the best of them made styles flows concepts that are still being visited. they're like bebop- nobody ever really surpassed charlie parker's technique. or dizzy gillespies. later dudes just put spins on their techniques. i see krs one and ra especially like that, they 86-88 stuff birthed modern rap flow/delivery and a lot of the concepts (hardness, gangsta, political, battle, party). kane and g rap too. busting out of nowhere with not just a new creative style (RUN DMC) but a style so advanced it eclipsed everything before it by light years is no small feat.
 
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son of 1973;3416384 said:
I hear what you're saying. The greats of today (Jay kanye Em) arent usually ranked over the golden age greats (KRS Ra G Rap Kane) by older dudes and younger dudes who agree with them. But I think as long as they're respected by those who don't share your goat opinion, it should be all good (it actaully shouldnt matter cause its the internet but we all on here cause we feel strong about hip hop). Like my top 5 have those older guys in it. But I respect what BIG Nas Pac Jay have done for the game/done in the game. And people disagreeing with me doesnt bother me much. But I actually think the legends get underrated as the years go by cause people dont get how radical their contributions were for the time. the best of them made styles flows concepts that are still being visited. they're like bebop- nobody ever really surpassed charlie parker's technique. or dizzy gillespies. later dudes just put spins on their techniques. i see krs one and ra especially like that, they 86-88 stuff birthed modern rap flow/delivery and a lot of the concepts (hardness, gangsta, political, battle, party). kane and g rap too. busting out of nowhere with not just a new creative style (RUN DMC) but a style so advanced it eclipsed everything before it by light years is no small feat.
Man, this right here. Cats get to calling each other fags and homo's for differences of opinion. Everybody not gonna like the same shit and feel the same way about issues
 
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Lol damn this thread still goin on it's only 1 old school rapper I dislike sumthin serious nd thats KRS-One dude is severely overrated IMO look at him get out rapped by everyone on this cypher[video=youtube;AiudIr0pAr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiudIr0pAr0[/video]
 
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Throwed Off Axel;3416430 said:
Lol damn this thread still goin on it's only 1 old school rapper I dislike sumthin serious nd thats KRS-One dude is severely overrated IMO look at him get out rapped by everyone on this cypher[video=youtube;AiudIr0pAr0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiudIr0pAr0[/video]

LOL SMH @ Mystikal with the extension braids in his hair, I remember when that shit dropped in 95
 
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antarticp;3415508 said:
cosign but i would like to say the original cam ... when he first stepped on the scene the dude was stupid hungry ... mannnnnnnnnnnn he might of gave them both a run for thier money cause cam def had bars back in the days man ... bars for days ... i remember back in the days niggaz had to go to commericial on cam cause he would just go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on etc ............ to me he was the first cat to really go hard with spitting mad bars ......

Cam during his Conffession of Fire Days was dope... once he switch his shit up with that Dipset bullshit he became a garabage wack ass nursery rhyme abc rapper with the Computer Putin bullshit ...

Also that poster I quoted talked his views are his that he dont follow what people say but to back up his claim he uses general consesus...I flipped it on him...

Even folks who dont like Em, Jay etc say the can spit. Jus the music is not for them... I never heard anyone claim the Pun was wack MC's lyrically that shit is borderline blashepmy if you a fan of lyricist then to follow it up to say Cam is nice smfh..
 
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The_Maryvale_Joker;3370265 said:
Kool G Rap will lyrically murder any rapper out now

c/s

Kool G Rap's "RICHES, ROYALTY & RESPECT" is by far album of the year (IMO), but I'm willing to bet t/s or anyone who c/s him hasn't even heard it or better yet didn't even know G. Rap dropped an album this year.

no hate, everybody's entitled to his/her opinion, but DO YA HOMEWORK 1ST YOUNGIN's!
 
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InnerDragon;3426753 said:
Which is why I hate to hear comparisons of decades. You can't compare different environments and markets. The hot thing in 1989 was not same as 2009. Seems to me, a lot of people are just in a comfort zone with the music they grew up with and say it's the best, when every evolution has its own pioneers and should be credited as such.

C/s good post....I agree
 
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brklynbread;3385458 said:
I like to compare the rap/hip-hop game to the NBA because i think the comparisons are very similar. The thread starter did have a point in that just because you were an originator doesn't mean you’re nicer than everyone. but, the most talented innovators deserve honors and mentions above all they had to put a new genre on the map, be considered nice in said genre, and had no template to work with no one else can say they did that.

(Hip hop in the early 80's = NBA pre-1970s) - The innovators, originators, and first pioneers of basketball (rap) where dabbling in a new game (genre). While the participants in this era can be transported to any other era and still play (rap against or with) anyone in any other era, they aren't as talented as the later generations. Still they deserve respect for carving out a space for everyone to follow. This is a feat that no one can take from them and no other generation can claim.

(Hip hop in the late 80s-early 1990s = NBA 1978-1986)- The game gets refined and the balance between talent and technique (flow/ lyricism/ and good ass beats) is nearing. The best from this era have more talent than the previous generation. These players (rappers and producers) like Dr. Dre and the whole west coast are typically the guys who brought the craft to a true mainstream level and brought the game into the hearts and homes of millions.

(Hip hop in the mid-late 90s = NBA 1987-1998)- Era with the most talent, competition, and most of the typical GOAT candidates participated during this time. Rappers (players) from the previous era participate in this era as well. Jordan, magic, bird= jay, 2pac, nas, BIG, you could say early Eminem as well. While those guys dominated the whole league, the (rap game) was filled with talent: DMX, the fugees, missy Elliot, Pun, etc. this is the perfect era for talent/ creative artist freedom/ impact/ etc. Most of all, because of these guys the genre of rap has finally seen enough talent, technique, and exposure to produce a diverse and balanced hip-hop landscape. By theory, any newcomer who comes into the game should borrow from this era and become the most gifted and successful MC's but, that is apparently not the case.

(hip hop in the early 2000's = NBA 1999-2005) - the game slowed down, a lot of busts, a few moments of greatness. But, most artist originating from this era usually don’t measure up to the previous gen. Standouts include Eminem who commercially shines during this time. you got your d-wades, LeBron’s and mello's (Kanye, luda, lupe) guys who're technically better than most of the early guys and have excelled at their craft but, their resumes at this point need time to put their accomplishments into proper context

(Note: By my metaphor, Weezy is a dude from the late 90's generation but, he obviously blows up during this time. i guess he's like that bench player who became a star player after he finally got to lead his team. whats crazy is that by years in the industry, Wayne is ancient.)

(Hip hop now = NBA 2005- NBA now) - too many rappers drawing LeBron comparisons lol. The rappers now may have talent but, have to prove to us they can have an impact. we got Wale, Cole, B.O.B, etc. and they show promise. but, the rest is to be seen. the previous generation also participates in this era and seems to be outshining any newcomers. The rap game is too crazy to even do your own thing now. too bad, should’ve been a rapper in the 90s lol.

well ,if you really wanna compare the hip hop to basketball, how come the usa dream team from the nineties were undefeated and unfukkwitable, but the new age usa basketball teams stay gettin' there azzes kicked by teams from other countires?
 
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NothingButTheTruth;3392446 said:
Huh? Did you really just ask why people think Em is a gimmick? Is this hip-hop to you lol?

[video=youtube;3yf15kikC_g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yf15kikC_g[/video]

[video=youtube;sNPnbI1arSE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNPnbI1arSE&ob=av2e[/video]

[video=youtube;RSdKmX2BH7o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSdKmX2BH7o&feature=related[/video]

[video=youtube;YVkUvmDQ3HY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY&feature=relmfu[/video]

etc.

On going successful gimmick string of videos. There is more to him than this but you do have a strong argument after presenting exibits A-D you for got "My Band" btw
 
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only in hip hop do we disrespect the past and not thanking the pioneers for a the younger generation (which i'm part of). i guess it has something to do with competition because that's what hip hop was based on. hip hop was all about appeal and whats hot and whose better. younger generations don't look up to older rappers because they are old. i dont think it has nothing to do with the fact that they are good or came before everyone else. when something is based on whose the best and competition and when you don't constantly put out hot stuff you are going to be forgotten and that's the case with hip hop even if it is timeless. but the even simpler answer is people like what they like.

thats the only way I can look at it. I listen to a lot of 90's hip hop because that's what I grew up on. chances are if you haven't heard of it (speaking on the younger generation) you aren't going to look up some older rapper and like him right away because it's not something you are use to. by now most younger listeners are used to a certain sound and listening to older rappers isn't going to fulfill that sound.
 
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