IGN: Apple is Set to Change Gaming

[Grahf]

Man, iOS and Android is not real gaming. My mother isn't a gamer because she plays Angry Birds and Cut The Rope.

FOHWTBS.

Fohwtbs Nintendo's claim to fame this generation with having your mother Wii bowling and your entire clan playing Just Dance.

 

[rage]

Even if Apple jumps into gaming they aint taking market share from Nintendo. When Microsoft first hopped into gaming everyone thought the same thing but to date Microsoft has YET to put a dent in Nintendo. Apple is cool but they don't have the team, experience or established competitive advantage to contend with Nintendo or even Microsoft. They can and probably will make a console or design studio but it's gonna take them AGES to catch up and even be felt as a presence.

Maybe not Nintendo but Sony is sure feeling it.

Nintendo as well
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/07/29/nintendo-slashes-3ds-price/

* Nintendo slashed the price of its 3DS handheld system by roughly one-third (from $250 to $170) because of lower-than-expected sales during the first three months. The gaming company also lowered its annual profit forecast by a stunning 82%. President Satoru Iwata said in an online letter it was the first time Nintendo has cut prices so much within the first six months of a product's launch. The cut comes during a time when the gaming industry is affected by mobile games on multi-purpose devices by companies like Apple and social games from more recent companies including Zynga. (Wall Street Journal and New York Times)

Apple is the Borg of the tech world... Resistance is Futile....

Actually no, Satoru never said that. If you read the annual report from the company - the cost of the 3DS is what hurt Nintendo and also Japan's tough economic climate right now (3D technology is not cheap). Name me 10 social media games that you know of that were top sellers.... don't worry I'll wait LOLOL. They don't compete with Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft, I have yet to here a heterosexual male say he wants to quit playing Halo or Mass Effect 3 so he can go run some Farmville or some shit SMH.

Apple has money it's true but they dont have the team or studios to compete with Microsoft or Nintendo. When Microsoft first announced they would be entering gaming these niggas had enough money to buy Nintendo and Sony together LOLOL not to mention they had Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer and Paul Allen ALL working night and day to beat Nintendo and Sony. They had the richest man in the world and some of the best and brightest minds in the world and still couldn't take out Nintendo or Playstation 2.

As Warren Buffett says, you want a company with a good strong moat/competitive advantage that's highly durable and near impenetrable. Nintendo has that.

LMAO!! The price of 3DS was the problem your right....IN COMPARISON TO WHAT?? Ipod Touches, Iphones and iPads. You'll wait? Wait for what?? Ever hear of Angry Birds? DrawSomething? WordswithFriends? Top 10 in comparison to what?? DrawSomething has 50 Million downloads nigga...and that shit just came on the scene recently. What hole have you stuck your head in? Oh I'm sorry being a dude who spends 15 to 20 hours a day playing Halo or Mass Effect is definitely more MASCULIN and hetero than some who plays Farmville. Are you listening to yourself?

Even Reggie knows whats up...

“It’s all about time,” Fils-Aime said during a stop by Forbes’ San Francisco offices Thursday. “I compete with Zynga, I compete with surfing the net, I compete with the newspaper.

If you want to find someone doing that kind of volume you’ve got to look outside the game business. At, say, Apple, which is pushing games on the iPhone and iPod touch. Apple sold more 14.1 million iPhones alone during the quarter ending in September. “Do I think that in the near term they can hurt us more than Microsoft?” Fils-Aime says. “Absolutely.”

And all this was in 2010...we all know what Nintendo's finances look like now.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianca...microsoft-nintendo-of-america-president-says/

LMAO at Bill Gates, Paul Allen and Steve Balmer sweating away trying to beat the PS3. Have you lost your mind nigga, you think Bill Gates gives two fucks about Xbox/PS3/Wii? Every heard of WINDOWS mofo?? Thats what BG and Paul Allen give a fuck about.

LOOLOLOLOL maaaaan listen here cuh....

Fam the 3DS don't compete directly with the iPhone or iPad, the cost of using 3D technology is expensive as hell, ask Sony's electronics division they'll tell you the same. Regardless they still sold very well but the cost is too excessive.

I'm sayin tho Famlay.... Apple would be formidable competition just as how Microsoft and Sony (RIP) were LOLOL. But they're not going to take that 60% market share from Nintendo. MS couldn't do it with Gates, Ballmer and Allen and all the money in the world (they got a wee bit but still couldnt beat em like Gates said they would) and Apple definitely won't do it with no Steve Jobs (no diss) LOLOLOL.

Angry Birds psshh, you ever heardz of pokemanz n/h, Links, Mario, wii sportz, smash bros n/h, Nintendogs, Animal Crossing, Big Brainz Academy !??!!!?? but I commend my fellow COO Reggie for not being complacent and acknowledging competition no matter how large but how long ya gonna keep remixing the iPad & iPhone before people get sick and tired of it especially when it can't top past sales ?? Steve Jobs aint around no mo nigga THE GAME BELONG TO NINTENDO !!!!! ITS UP TO YOU !!! YOU CAN GET DOWN OR LAY DOWN FAM !!!!

Nintendo is already dying...what hole have you been under? Nintendo reported its first major loss in HISTORY $535 Million...when did Microsoft or Sony ever accomplish that....NOW i'll wait. You want to talk market share...lets look at Market Share
http://blog.flurry.com/bid/77424/Is-it-Game-Over-for-Nintendo-DS-and-Sony-PSP

The 3DS sold really well?? Are you serious??

Nintendo cut its forecast for annual sales of its ageing Wii console to 10 million devices from 12 million, and for the 3DS handheld games device to 14 million from 16 million.

"We had higher expectations for the year-end season, but failed to meet them," President Satoru Iwata told reporters in Osaka.

Poor sales forced Nintendo to slash the price of its much-anticipated 3DS handheld games device in August, just six months after its launch.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/26/us-nintendo-results-idUSTRE80P0BQ20120126

Just stop your really out of your depth here.

You want to talk about remixing the iPad and IPod Touch?? How many fucking versions of the DS are we going to get?? iPad and iPhone sales not topping past sales???? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH.....wow I'm done!!
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/03/20/apple-sets-a-new-ipad-sales-record/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...rd-4-million-units-sales-in-first-weekend.ars

 

[rage]

A couple years ago, Apple and Android had ZERO market share in the portable gaming biz. Now its iOS and Android's time in the sun. Who knows what the future will hold. Nintendo and Sony has been around for a long time, but then again so has/had Kodak, Woolworth, etc...Sony just had terrible leadership under Howard Stringer who emphasized cost-cutting instead of spurring innovation. They should have elevated Kutaragi instead of Kaz. Stringer set the company back 30 years. There are many things working against Sony (and many Japanese companies) at this moment (abysmal domestic economic growth for the last 10 years, hubris, branding, etc).

That's not legit market share HUGE difference between using revenue versus more conventional means. Apple has revenues of $100 billion dollars and Nintendo has revenues of $12 billion dollars. So automatically if you're going to compare by revenue the numbers are already gonna be in your favor being that your the bigger business as there's more people in the world who own smart phones versus Nintendo DS or PSPs. Besides doesn't Microsoft have android products ? The use of the information in the pie chart is flawed.



Guys, what I'm trying to say is, Apple is NOT in the gaming business, it's great that they make smartphones and iPads, that's great. Same as how Microsoft is great at making Windows programs but they are not gaming companies. They don't have Steve Jobs anymore, they can milk the iPhone & iPad products for the next 1-3 years but what about the next 5 to 10 years going ? You have to top that or it's going to get old. Jobs was the brainchild for that company and without him their future is still in doubt.

Yall gotta understand, Nintendo has been around for almost 200 years. Nobody is saying that Apple won't be able to get some market share, they will just as Microsoft and Sony did but what I'm saying is that they will NOT beat Nintendo. Nintendo has a competitive advantage that you can't take from them. Sony in their prime tried in the 90s and couldn't do it, MS tried in the 2000s with $30 billion dollars, Bill Gates and the dream team but couldn't do it.

It's possible but iuno I think it's highly unlikely to happen in our lifetime.

Wrong...read the article

The chart displays the share of U.S. revenue generated for portable games from 2009 to 2011. Note that we project November and December for 2011, based on their ratio to the first 10 months of the year, as observed in 2009 and 2010. Starting on the left, for 2009, we calculate $2.7 billion in total U.S. portable game revenue. For 2010 and 2011, we estimate $2.5 billion and $3.3 billion, respectively.

If Nintendo wants to survive they need to go the sego route and develop iOS versions of their games...like I said GET DOWN or LAY DOWN.

 

[Grahf]

Smartphone/tablet devices have become disruptive technologies. Using your logic, you can say that phones aren't dedicated photo capturing devices like cameras, but smartphones are THE reason for decline of camera sales along with entirely changing the world of phototaking, editing, and publishing. Lets not even bring up sales of GPS units..Nintendo is heavily reliant on the domestic market. Japan's economy has been mired in shit, and the decline of gaming over there has been well documented on both sides of the Pacific. Despite Sony's woes, at leadt they have other divisions that can help if their gaming division gets jettisoned.

 

[focus]

Apple is a beast financially. Not too too far behind is M$, then Nintendo. They all have billions in the bank and are all prepared to fight and win. Sony though...THATS your SEGA. That's who needs to start developing for iOS. They literally do not have the money to handle a new competitor, especially not Apple. The PS4 would get Dreamcasted.

 

[Grahf]

Can only imagine what would happen if Nintendo releases the next Pokemon, Mario, Smash Brothers, Pikmin, etc on iOS and Android. Universe would collapse prob.

 

[rage]

Can only imagine what would happen if Nintendo releases the next Pokemon, Mario, Smash Brothers, Pikmin, etc on iOS and Android. Universe would collapse prob.

Sure for the clowns who call themselves "hardcore gamers"....but this really isnt a bad move for Nintendo.

1) Drop the whole DS thing...its dead. Mobile devices are becoming more and more powerful and the new distribution method (App store dowloads) has effectively deaded the whole DS/VITA/Disc/Cartridge ecosystem.

2) The Wii U could survive only as a console for the hardcore gamers...it wont be much but at least it will give them some sort of platform for their trip A titles.

3) With less costs being spent on hardware and the reduced cost of developing for iOS would increase their cash flow and keep them alive and stop them from leaking like they went two round with Kimbo in the back yard.

 

[focus]

The 3DS sold more in its first year than the DS.

 

[IceManKam]

They''ll never been able to even survive in gaming if they can't implement a legitimate controller type

 

[rage]

A couple years ago, Apple and Android had ZERO market share in the portable gaming biz. Now its iOS and Android's time in the sun. Who knows what the future will hold. Nintendo and Sony has been around for a long time, but then again so has/had Kodak, Woolworth, etc...Sony just had terrible leadership under Howard Stringer who emphasized cost-cutting instead of spurring innovation. They should have elevated Kutaragi instead of Kaz. Stringer set the company back 30 years. There are many things working against Sony (and many Japanese companies) at this moment (abysmal domestic economic growth for the last 10 years, hubris, branding, etc).

That's not legit market share HUGE difference between using revenue versus more conventional means. Apple has revenues of $100 billion dollars and Nintendo has revenues of $12 billion dollars. So automatically if you're going to compare by revenue the numbers are already gonna be in your favor being that your the bigger business as there's more people in the world who own smart phones versus Nintendo DS or PSPs. Besides doesn't Microsoft have android products ? The use of the information in the pie chart is flawed.



Guys, what I'm trying to say is, Apple is NOT in the gaming business, it's great that they make smartphones and iPads, that's great. Same as how Microsoft is great at making Windows programs but they are not gaming companies. They don't have Steve Jobs anymore, they can milk the iPhone & iPad products for the next 1-3 years but what about the next 5 to 10 years going ? You have to top that or it's going to get old. Jobs was the brainchild for that company and without him their future is still in doubt.

Yall gotta understand, Nintendo has been around for almost 200 years. Nobody is saying that Apple won't be able to get some market share, they will just as Microsoft and Sony did but what I'm saying is that they will NOT beat Nintendo. Nintendo has a competitive advantage that you can't take from them. Sony in their prime tried in the 90s and couldn't do it, MS tried in the 2000s with $30 billion dollars, Bill Gates and the dream team but couldn't do it.

It's possible but iuno I think it's highly unlikely to happen in our lifetime.

Wrong...read the article

The chart displays the share of U.S. revenue generated for portable games from 2009 to 2011. Note that we project November and December for 2011, based on their ratio to the first 10 months of the year, as observed in 2009 and 2010. Starting on the left, for 2009, we calculate $2.7 billion in total U.S. portable game revenue. For 2010 and 2011, we estimate $2.5 billion and $3.3 billion, respectively.

If Nintendo wants to survive they need to go the sego route and develop iOS versions of their games...like I said GET DOWN or LAY DOWN.

Dude the chart is based on revenue from android and iOS sales (portable game software) - Google, Samsung and Apple (products that use those operating systems) are the co.s that utilize them. They have by far more revenue than Nintendo combined and are going to show up more in any chart that goes by that standard of using revenue. Revenue is a bad gauge because it doesn't factor in the life cycle of franchises in gaming & their growth, profits, growth in equity or other means . Revenue is going by how much was sold. If I take the total sales of all smartphones/androids/iOS of course I'm going to have bigger numbers than Nintendo & Sony. This is a common flaw used in journalism and research. But hey sometimes comprehension and common sense don't always go hand in hand for some.

Comparing Nintendo DS to smartphones is like comparing apples and oranges, very similar in size and shape but different tools. People aren't buying Apple phones for the games their buying it for general use. You see the difference here right ? Apple is NOT in the gaming business yet, it seems like the logical step for them but they're not there yet so we can't use estimates and projections to give life to something that doesn't exist yet and pass it as fact. The rise of smartphones was NOT the sole factor of WHY Nintendo had a slump in revenue in 2011 and it was not a major contributing factor either.

You can try to twist the words revenue/software/equity/sales etc in whatever way you want. The fact remains that Nintendo no longer has a 60% market share in mobile gaming. Nintendo is like any other company they only care about one thing REVENUE!!

 

[kanggoodie]

i didnt even read nothing, just seen the graph.. but those numbers are funny strictly off the fact that android/ios are mobile phone/ tablet driven.. not stand alone.. its easier to sell u an "app" and not the hardware with it.. nintendo aint gone let apple come in with a STANDALONE device to play STANDALONE software and take over

 

[Grahf]

"Nintendo will report on Thursday its first ever operating loss, after estimating a 45 billion yen deficit for the business year just ended."

finance.yahoo.com/news/nintendos-hard-choices-soft-landing-184358051.html

 

[Grahf]

"They have been beaten by smartphones and tablets, in particular, for consumers spending and, more importantly, time," said David Gibson, an analyst for Macquarie in Tokyo."

Quote from that article above. When I was talking about disruptive technologies, I don't necessarily think that Apple set out to put Nintendo out of business or anything like that. It's just that smartphones/tablets have fundamentally changed the landscape of several industries not related to telephony (gps, cameras, gaming). Let's be honest, if Android and iOS devices (or other smartphones) never gained traction, the sales (and profits) of Nintendo would be way higher. Fact.

I actually love Nintendo and their history. They have arguably the most recognizable IPs in gaming. It's just that in this day and age, not that many people are going to want to carry a dedicated portable game device when they already are lugging their smartphones/tablets around. Nobody will ever claim that Angry Birds (Miyamoto recently praised AB btw) is better than Zelda, but that $0.99-$4.99 Appstore pricing structure is a VERY enticing and psychologically effective game content delivery system. Disposable income and time are two finite quantities that seem to diminish in this fast-paced and economically challenging time. There are MANY people who would rather pay $.99 for Angry Birds or a premium version of Draw Something compared to $60 bucks for a console title. It definitely wasn't like this before the advent of smartphones, but get used to it. Though Nintendo is in better shape with the mound of cash they are sitting on. Sony about to go the way of Sega soon....

 

[earth two superman]

how is Sony gonna go the way of Sega when theyve stated that their game division is whats making them money?

 

[Grahf]

how is Sony gonna go the way of Sega when theyve stated that their game division is whats making them money?

Their gaming division did ok for the net year that ended a few months ago but paltry compared to their heyday. Recently though, the Vita has proved to be near disaster
http://www.edge-online.com/news/vita-sales-slip-record-low-japan

 

[Grahf]

"They have been beaten by smartphones and tablets, in particular, for consumers spending and, more importantly, time," said David Gibson, an analyst for Macquarie in Tokyo."

Quote from that article above. When I was talking about disruptive technologies, I don't necessarily think that Apple set out to put Nintendo out of business or anything like that. It's just that smartphones/tablets have fundamentally changed the landscape of several industries not related to telephony (gps, cameras, gaming). Let's be honest, if Android and iOS devices (or other smartphones) never gained traction, the sales (and profits) of Nintendo would be way higher. Fact.

I actually love Nintendo and their history. They have arguably the most recognizable IPs in gaming. It's just that in this day and age, not that many people are going to want to carry a dedicated portable game device when they already are lugging their smartphones/tablets around. Nobody will ever claim that Angry Birds (Miyamoto recently praised AB btw) is better than Zelda, but that $0.99-$4.99 Appstore pricing structure is a VERY enticing and psychologically effective game content delivery system. Disposable income and time are two finite quantities that seem to diminish in this fast-paced and economically challenging time. There are MANY people who would rather pay $.99 for Angry Birds or a premium version of Draw Something compared to $60 bucks for a console title. It definitely wasn't like this before the advent of smartphones, but get used to it. Though Nintendo is in better shape with the mound of cash they are sitting on. Sony about to go the way of Sega soon....

Fam, Nintendo warned that this was going to happen back in January where their loss is concerned. It's the first time in 30 years they've had a loss.

Smartphones/tablets are great inventions and are prominent but all I was saying is that they are not the fundamental drivers that hurt Nintendo's profits as stated in Nintendo's official annual reports. Japan is in the toilet and Europe is in a full blown recession. However, pundits and analysts would say otherwise b/c of the whole hype around Nintendo's Wii U looking like a tablet and Apple possibly joining the fray makes headlines & gets their stories sold.

For the last 5 years, when Nintendo was doing RECORD numbers during the same period smartphones and tablets were taking off and selling like hot cakes how come NOBODY said anything about them competing or having an effect on Nintendo's profits or sales then ? You gotta be able to decipher b/w fact and bullshit when you see these things in the markets or you can lose a lot of money.

iPhone came out in summer 2007 and iPad in 2010. You certainly didn't have the rate of adoption a few years back you had then. It wasn't until AT&T subsidized some of the cost then Verizon getting iPhones that that shit went nuts. I had the "2g" iPhone and the games were certainly not prominent nor plentiful at the very beginning. Angry Birds didn't take off until 2010, Words with Friends last year, and Draw Something was released barely two months ago. And not even factoring in revenues, but games like Draw Something occupy and take away a precious commodity away from Nintendo: time by prospective gamers as stated in that article. The biggest titles barring AB and Cut the Rope have all been released within the last year. Nobody said anything 5,4,3 years ago was because smartphone gaming was in its infancy, but now it's gone bananas.

The whole industry has changed. Wasn't there a recent article that stated that Xbox Live users are now spending more time watching streaming content than gaming on the Xbox?