If the Sun creates life then...

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perspective@100;1977673 said:
makes sense... Thats what I was wondering, what does it mean to be alive.

So basically you made a thread about some shit you don't know anything about and you won't let a pesky little thing like "science" stop you.
 
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perspective@100;1978094 said:
We have been told what makes up life for so long we dont even think of questioning it.

Before progressive scientists and biologists, we were told that "God" spit in the dirt, molded the dirt in "its" image, and blew into it... and just like that humanity was born.

Yeah, you're not getting far with this thread.
 
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soul rattler;1978568 said:
Before progressive scientists and biologists, we were told that "God" spit in the dirt, molded the dirt if "its" image, and blew into it... and just like that humanity was born.

Yeah, you're not getting far with this thread.

This is what some ancient tribes on the continent of Africa believed about the Sun and the solar system...

The solar system and the atom

e already saw how the solar system perfectly

models the atom. The sun is a giant nucleus

and the earth is a giant electron, as are the

other planets. The solar system is measured to be 7,900

million miles across, as far as the orbit of the planet Pluto.

Our earth is measured at only 7,900 miles across. That makes

the solar system a million times bigger than the earth.

2. Let our minds make the obvious connection.

If the earth is the same as an electron, and the solar system

is the same as an atom, then we conclude that the

proportions must be the same. In other words, the size of the

atom compared to the electron must be the same as the

size of the solar system compared to the earth.

3. Solar system is to earth what atom is to electron

Same proportions, same laws, different sizes.

4. If the solar system is a million times bigger than the earth,

then the atom is a million times bigger than the electron.

Is this true?

5. According to modern measurements, the electron has

been measured at about 1/4 trillionth of an inch, and the

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atom at about 1/4 millionth of an inch across. That gives a

proportion of 1 million times, just like it is between the earth

and the solar system. This confirms our intuition that the solar

system is a giant atom, and the earth is a giant electron,

and the sun is the nucleus.

earth ------- electron

+ sun ------- nucleus

= solar system -- atom

The law of creation is:

As above, so it is below.

6. Now our mind has been freed and we can proceed to

investigate atoms and electrons by studying our own solar

system. We don't need expensive tools. We just need the

knowledge that has been available since ancient times,

when our Ancestors spent many nights studying the sky.

They were looking at stars, but at the same time they were

looking at the microscopic particles of matter.

7. Modern astronomers and physicists separate themselves

into two camps. In the ancient days, our Ancestors, as they

built great pyramids and other monuments to study and

chronicle the movements of the stars, knew that there was

no difference between astronomy and physics. By studying

astronomy, they learnt all about physics as well, because

physics is the study of astronomy on a microscopic scale.

8. As above, so it is below. That is the law of creation.

Once we have a clear understanding of this law, we can

use it to learn about the rest of the universe; how it was

created, when it was created, what is its size and duration.

All we need is our minds.
 
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soul rattler;1978568 said:
Before progressive scientists and biologists, we were told that "God" spit in the dirt, molded the dirt if "its" image, and blew into it... and just like that humanity was born.

Yeah, you're not getting far with this thread.

SUMMARY - Like ancient people everywhere, Africans wondered at the sky and struggled to make sense of it. Evidence that they did so with creativity and intelligence has been slow to permeate academic studies of archeoastronomy and wider public understanding. This evidence is not just in myths and calendars, but in ancient megalith observatories. Two are known, Nabta in southern Egypt that predated the famous site at Stonehenge and other European megaliths, and Ng'amoritung'a on the shores of Lake Turkana in Kenya where the logic of a 2000 year old calendar predates any European influence. Other such artifacts undoubtedly await discovery. This is Nabta

http://www.as.utexas.edu/~wheel/africa/nabta_01.htm

Nabta

There exists a site in southern Egypt that is the oldest astronomical site in the world. This site, called Nabta, was created some 6500 years ago by a Neolithic people who were concerned with the progress of the year. The circle of standing stones allowed the people to determine when the solstices occurred as well as rainy seasons. This sub-Saharan culture is likely to be the predecessor of the Egyptians. The site was excavated by Fred Wendorf and John (Kim) Malville.

Stones, some more then 9 feet tall, were set in a circle to predict the coming solstices. The people had to drag these monstrous stones for more than a mile, thus showing a great dedication to their task. Scientists have discovered that there is an east-west sighting among the megaliths, as well as a north-south lining.

During the first three weeks before and after a solstice, the standing stones would cast no shadow in the noonday sun, due to their proximity to the equator. Seasons were thus followed, including the rainy season, very important to a cattle-raising, agricultural society. There have been several other alignments found, but their significance is yet to be determined.

It also seems that the Nabtians were worshipers of cattle, much like the Egyptians who come later. Several cattle burial sites are located at Nabta, at least one of which has a clay housing with a roof. This care to the burial site of cattle shows the importance of cattle in the Nabtian society.

There were several pieces of pottery found at Nabta. Most of which comes from the Neolithic people who built the site. The pottery is completely covered with designs, thus making it easily identifiable. The lips of the pottery jars, however, were not decorated
 
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Human remains were also found at Nabta, but only the jawbone was left available to Wendorf to examine, the rest being confiscated by the Egyptian museum in Cairo. The study of this jawbone led Wendorf to an interesting conclusion: the Nabtians were of sub-Saharan descent, not of middle eastern. He deduced this based on the size and structure of the teeth and jaw compared to different ethnic groups. The conclusion undercuts the mainstream theory that Egyptian society was founded by Mesopotamians and Syrians. The idea that the Egyptian society was truly of African descent is revolutionary indeed. Yet it is backed with good evidence from the Nabta site, such as the jawbone and knowledge of the cycle of aridity in the region.
 
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http://www.as.utexas.edu/~wheel/africa/nabta_02.htm

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Perhaps the most important note to make about Nabta revolves around the radiocarbon dating that was used extensively on the site. The dates determined by carbon samples shows that Nabta could not be younger than 4,800 years old. Some of the alignments, if not all of them, are probably much older than this. This means that the megaliths at Nabta predate most other similar sites, such as Stonehenge. The region of southern Egypt where Nabta is located became inhabitable as early as 11,000 years ago. There is evidence of people living in the vicinity about 10,000 years ago. There seem to be three eras of occupation of the basin, divided by periods of drought. Early in the Neolithic age, the inhabitants constructed villages, one of which had walk-in wells. While it is thought by the excavation crew that the ancient nomads only lived in the region during the rainy summers, these wells may have allowed for year-round occupation.

The megaliths in the alignments are generally about 2 m by 3 m, and are made from sandstone. After they were carried for 0.5 km or more, each stone was partially buried in the ground. The stone circle is believed to be astronomically related. There are two lines of sight: one north-south, the other a seemingly obscure angle at first glance. When researched in greater detail, the second line of sight matches up with what astronomers calculate the azimuth of the summer solstice Sun was 6,000 years ago. The north-south line of sight, as well as the direction of the bases of the megaliths may have been important for the navigation through the Sahara Desert. There is also a possibility that the spatial arrangement of the megaliths suggest a connection between the Sun, water, death, and the fertile Earth.
 
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IC Intelligent person: *presents facts*

ICR: "Well I feel..."

ICIP: *presents more facts*

ICR: "Whatever, you're just closed minded."
 
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http://www.scienceinafrica.co.za/2003/november/cosmic.htm

The Dogon

In the West African country of Mali, they visited the amazing cliff dwellings of the mysterious Dogon people, a traditional farming community, renowned for their skilled craftsmen, spectacular wooden masks and intricate religious beliefs. The Dogon, who are represented by four major clans, live along the spectacular sand stone escarpment of the Bandiagara cliffs in southeastern Mali. They settled there around the fifteenth century and even today, despite the infiltration of other cultural beliefs, their religious traditions remain strong.

There they met people who still navigate by the stars and who acknowledge aspects of the sky and earth in their daily lives, songs, dances and ceremonies. What makes certain parts of Africa extra special, says Ann Rogers, is the absence of light and air pollution. People still rely on campfires, oil lamps or moonlight as a source of nocturnal illumination. At full moon, people can hunt or travel or have village dances - their world is still defined by the power and natural rhythm of the cosmos. Their knowledge of the sky is the result of hundreds of years of naked-eye observations.

In Namibia

Today, western clothing is worn in combination with more traditional apparel and watches and radios have become a link with the world beyond, but some of the elderly hunters who live in more remote villages still rely on the position of the Sun to give them a sense of time - they observe the shadows cast by the Sun and still count the days by the phases of the Moon. They pay particular attention to the Milky Way: they call it the Spine of the Night and observe three different positions during the course of the night. It tells them about time and the changing seasons.
 
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Whoomp!! There It Is!!!

The Ancient Astronomers of Timbuktu

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I read the first post and havent read the rest because i would forget what i was gonna say but i will read them when im done typing this.

The sun is hot. that hotness is energy. that energy makes things move. that movement is growth. that growth is life.

when in doubt, fry an egg. I cant be anymore simple than that.
 
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KTULU IS BACK;1977845 said:
wtf are you talking about?

we have more knowledge about the universe than anybody in the past did

You saying we have more knowledge period or we discovered alot about the universe we dont know shit about?

Or Both?
 
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b*braze;1978838 said:
IC poster: "I think therefore I am"

IC know it all person: *presents(bullshit) facts*

ICP: "Well I feel you believe anything"

ICKIAP: *presents more(bullshit) facts*

ICP: "you're just closed minded blind and love to be spoon fed BS."

..............................................
 
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fiat_money;1978384 said:
The reason it is debated as to whether viruses constitute life or not, is because they satisfy some of the requirements for something to be considered "alive"; the Sun however, does not.

Its debated because they have no idea when something is "Alive". The Suns energy is the basis of all life thats not only meeting the requirement its the fucking gold standard. The rules are constantly changing and what they thought was"Fact" was not. Period. That is the major flaw of science, it can be disproven and re-written as soon as something does not apply. These so called requirements of life are just classifications to put things in perspective. These terms for the requirements are all scientific terms that are used for classification purposes and like I said before my thoughts are not governed by modern science which is not the "LAW" to begin with when it comes to nature. Just because it makes sense and many people have tested it and somewhere it was written down as "FACT" does not mean I have to believe it. Life comes from no life? If thats the thought process you choose to stand behind so be it. Sun comes from no sun and matter comes from no matter? Please, these things are obviously said because they are scared to say " I dont Know"...

fiat_money;1978384 said:
Supposing the term "organism" applied to the underlined, terms like "organism" or "alive" would hold no significance, since it would the standard state of being; they'd merely be poor synonyms for "matter".

Once again your proving my point. Being alive is more than what we can comprehend and thats why its been flooded with all kind of requirements and specific criteria that need be satisfied. First the organism has to have this and that, then it has to reproduce, then it has to respond to its environment? Just admit they dont know what the hell life really is and stop pulling shit out their ass! The word Alive being nullified and holding no significance does not bother me one bit, but in todays society we cant have that. We have to have a definition even if its made up bologna. There has to be a definitive answer even if we dont have one we will just say we do and people will accept it because others have tested things and reported data that must meet certain requirements and these requirements apply to "almost" everything so it will be widely accepted. What happens when something does not meet all the requirements but some? No, we dont change the meaning or definition of being alive we just say enough requirments were met so its partially alive... hahahaha-please I see bulshit I call bullshit!

fiat_money;1978384 said:
Not quite, the reason things determined or discovered by using the scientific method have influence is because they are replicable/observable/calculable by others. Scientific theories and even laws aren't just accepted at "face value", they are tested repeatedly by others to further substantiate or disprove them. Even I've observed the values of gravity to be correct by using an Atwood machine, therefore if someone told me the acceleration due to gravity at the surface of the Earth was 49m/s^2, I wouldn't believe them, regardless their education. So any "influence" isn't there simply because an individual states something, but because many verified the same thing...

I'm not influenced at all about what they say life is. All the test in the world can be done and all the criteria can be classified, and all that means to me is they were digging and digging but they came up with just enough bullshit to sound good because here we are in this day and age still finding random things that could be alive based on criteria from this guy but they are not alive based on criteria from that guy. Awareness and concsiousness can be explained scientifically but ask those same scientist where your awareness and concsious goes when you die and they will draw blanks across the board. These are the same people you put your trust in to tell you what life or being alive is? Many verify this and many verify that. Yup, like I said before- The earth was once "verified" as flat. The Earth was once "verified" as the center of our solar system. At least these were simple. You need a damn check list to verify something being alive, lol just laughable I swear. This same science would probably "verify" rocks being able to reproduce. One rock melts turns to lava, but dries as two rocks by golly the rock has met reproduction requirements its now a "fact", everyone will belive it because we will state it with many people testing data.... BS
 
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soul rattler;1978512 said:
So basically you made a thread about some shit you don't know anything about and you won't let a pesky little thing like "science" stop you.

you get half a bar... Fu*k yall ni99az
 
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