If God exists we really dont have free will.

[fiat_money]

Maybe this could be true if God's Omniscience and Omnipotence is governed by the terms themselves; that God has an obligation to "live up" to the definitions.

Kind of a pointless suggestion.

If "God's" knowledge and power don't fit the definitions of "omniscient" and "omnipotent", respectively; then "God" is neither omniscient or omnipotent.

 

[alissowack]

Kind of a pointless suggestion.

If "God's" knowledge and power don't fit the definitions of "omniscient" and "omnipotent", respectively; then "God" is neither omniscient or omnipotent.

But what does these terms mean in respect to God? I'm not talking about what Webster says. My "pointless" point is only to say that man is not in a position to say who God is or isn't.

 

[fiat_money]

But what does these terms mean in respect to God? I'm not talking about what Webster says. My "pointless" point is only to say that man is not in a position to say who God is or isn't.

Sure they are. The word "god" was created by humans to begin with, so of course humans are in a position to define/label/examine this word. The same is done with any other word.

Besides, your statement is self-defeating, since, by saying "God" is someone who humans can't describe/define, you've described/defined the nature of "God".

 

[alissowack]

Sure they are. The word "god" was created by humans to begin with, so of course humans are in a position to define/label/examine this word. The same is done with any other word.

Besides, your statement is self-defeating, since, by saying "God" is someone who humans can't describe/define, you've described/defined the nature of "God".

If God exists, it doesn't matter what man thinks. God would not be made more or less by what man does to define Him. If God is...then He is and we are either going to accept it or reject it.

 

[FatterThanKat]

Free Will can not exist if you believe in cause and effect

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Free Will can not exist if you believe in cause and effect

Elaborate on your conclusion please